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Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid

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A new report released last week suggests that shoddy contracting practices are fomenting discontent and distrust among Afghan contractors, damaging efforts to foster Afghan businesses, and undermining the reconstruction effort in Afghanistan. The Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR) reported that $69 million in unpaid bills owed to Afghan subcontractors have led to death and kidnapping threats, work stoppages, fraud, at least one car chase, and the use of local police forces to extract payment.Here are some of the highlights from the report:


Read more @: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid | Mother Jones

I kew this would become a problem. Not so much winning the "hearts and minds". Occupations doesnt work especially when this **** happens.
 

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At this point, I really do not care. Let Afghanistan pay for its own work.
 

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Read more @: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid | Mother Jones

I kew this would become a problem. Not so much winning the "hearts and minds". Occupations doesnt work especially when this **** happens. [/FONT][/COLOR]
Ok, why were they not paid? Doesn't say that, does it. Just leads one to believe because the US and in one case mentioned Germany are just assholes about it. There are probably many things in the contract, that if they were published we would see, that would cause legal non-payment. Oh, yeah, if Mother Jones brought that kind of thing in, then they couldn't be their usual stupidly biased selves.

I wonder, with MJ's track record, just what does it say about someone who gets their news from MJ?
 

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If we wanted to win the hearts and minds of the people in the middle east we would not have sent soldiers. Soldiers are not trained to win the hearts and minds of people, they are trained for combat which is probably directly contradictory to winning the hearts and minds of people. It forces me to ask the question on whether or not the US people would accept an armed presence in their streets by their own military, or would they resent them? If we do not even want our military securing our streets, why would another country want it? The hearts and minds lie is something that allows the war mongers to pretend to be doing other people a favor by killing them. It works well because there are many who feel these other countries should be greateful for americans shooting them in their own streets. The fact that so many americans bought into that stupid BS shows me that I really overestimated their intelligence levels and compassion. That is really sad because i always have had a large negative overall opinion of the US populace.
 

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If we wanted to win the hearts and minds of the people in the middle east we would not have sent soldiers. Soldiers are not trained to win the hearts and minds of people, they are trained for combat which is probably directly contradictory to winning the hearts and minds of people. It forces me to ask the question on whether or not the US people would accept an armed presence in their streets by their own military, or would they resent them? If we do not even want our military securing our streets, why would another country want it? The hearts and minds lie is something that allows the war mongers to pretend to be doing other people a favor by killing them. It works well because there are many who feel these other countries should be greateful for americans shooting them in their own streets. The fact that so many americans bought into that stupid BS shows me that I really overestimated their intelligence levels and compassion. That is really sad because i always have had a large negative overall opinion of the US populace.
So we should of just packed up and left after getting to Al Queda? Sorry, we took out your government, police force and blew up a lot of your infrastructure, bye, have a nice day.
 

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If we wanted to win the hearts and minds of the people in the middle east we would not have sent soldiers. Soldiers are not trained to win the hearts and minds of people, they are trained for combat which is probably directly contradictory to winning the hearts and minds of people. It forces me to ask the question on whether or not the US people would accept an armed presence in their streets by their own military, or would they resent them? If we do not even want our military securing our streets, why would another country want it? The hearts and minds lie is something that allows the war mongers to pretend to be doing other people a favor by killing them. It works well because there are many who feel these other countries should be greateful for americans shooting them in their own streets. The fact that so many americans bought into that stupid BS shows me that I really overestimated their intelligence levels and compassion. That is really sad because i always have had a large negative overall opinion of the US populace.
Yes. The Taliban should have been left in power in Afghanistan. Their cooperative efforts with AlQaida were certainly helpful, and you HAVE to love how they treated women and homosexuals. Of course...transgendered types there I am sure recieved the same kind of love and respect. Oh...for the good old days of Taliban rule in Afghanistan and Saddam in Iraq.
 

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So we should of just packed up and left after getting to Al Queda? Sorry, we took out your government, police force and blew up a lot of your infrastructure, bye, have a nice day.
If that was your goal, then yuppers. You are not going to make the people feel good about being killed by killing more of their people. That is absurd and crazy to think. So yes, once you win you leave. The effect of war is that the land that it is fought on and the people living there are going to be damaged. If you want to send them aid afterwards that is fine, but you get the army out. of course, that is not the goal of the US government. That is just how they sell the war to very gullible idiots.
 

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Yes. The Taliban should have been left in power in Afghanistan. Their cooperative efforts with AlQaida were certainly helpful, and you HAVE to love how they treated women and homosexuals. Of course...transgendered types there I am sure recieved the same kind of love and respect. Oh...for the good old days of Taliban rule in Afghanistan and Saddam in Iraq.
Sorry, but if those people want to be ruled by the taliban then that is their choice, not ours. Unless you want a full on all out invasion of afganistan and to make it completely under US control the people of that country will decide who to follow, and it will probably be the people who go against those who blow them up. Also, I don't pay taxes to help the people of ofganistan, and neither do you. We are not the world's p[olice force. You sure as hell are not over there to save gays and transgendered people. Believe me, if the reason for this war was women's rights, and protection of the GLBT community there is no way republicans would have ever done it. So please stop trying to pretend we are over there to help people. I do not fall for that BS when the government says it, why would I fall for it when some guy on the internet says it.
 

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Sorry, but if those people want to be ruled by the taliban then that is their choice, not ours. Unless you want a full on all out invasion of afganistan and to make it completely under US control the people of that country will decide who to follow, and it will probably be the people who go against those who blow them up. Also, I don't pay taxes to help the people of ofganistan, and neither do you. We are not the world's p[olice force. You sure as hell are not over there to save gays and transgendered people. Believe me, if the reason for this war was women's rights, and protection of the GLBT community there is no way republicans would have ever done it. So please stop trying to pretend we are over there to help people. I do not fall for that BS when the government says it, why would I fall for it when some guy on the internet says it.
Helping the people have a shot at self determination was certainly a fringe benefit. I suppose if you are thrilled with the idea of women being shot in public for daring to teach young girls how to read or young men being hung and burned for being gay, then you should continue to mourn the loss of control by the Taliban.

The war in Afghanistan targeted first the people responsible for the attack on 9-11 and second, the government that let them. That government happened to be an extremely fundamentalist sect that seized control of the country by murdering citizens in their sleep. They were a particularly brutal group of people. After they were ousted, we saw citizens of that country lining up to risk their lives to vote for someone NOT of that group. WOmen didnt like being stoned for being raped, men objected to many of the forced fundamentalist tactics, etc. Happy byproduct of the war was the OPPORTUNITY for the citizens of that country to pick a government and constitution.
 

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Sorry, but if those people want to be ruled by the taliban then that is their choice, not ours. Unless you want a full on all out invasion of afganistan and to make it completely under US control the people of that country will decide who to follow, and it will probably be the people who go against those who blow them up. Also, I don't pay taxes to help the people of ofganistan, and neither do you. We are not the world's p[olice force. You sure as hell are not over there to save gays and transgendered people. Believe me, if the reason for this war was women's rights, and protection of the GLBT community there is no way republicans would have ever done it. So please stop trying to pretend we are over there to help people. I do not fall for that BS when the government says it, why would I fall for it when some guy on the internet says it.
It's their choice not ours... until they show up here by the shipload and are granted asylum by the very same people that didn't care enough to help them in the first place.
 

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So we should of just packed up and left after getting to Al Queda? Sorry, we took out your government, police force and blew up a lot of your infrastructure, bye, have a nice day.
The real government of Afghanistan was left in place, it is a tribal society and the tribal structure along with the warlords was left virtually intact. police is an awfully subjective term, if you mean the morality police then yes, if you mean the enforcer of customs, traditions and arbitrator of disputes see tribal structure and warlords above. Now as far as infrastructure goes, they didn't have a lot of that and we didn't attack Afghanistan like Iraq, what little they have we left in place.

Afghan culture has never been tolerant of any invader coming to 'fix' or 'enlighten' them. What makes us think it would suddenly be different?
 

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Yes. The Taliban should have been left in power in Afghanistan. Their cooperative efforts with AlQaida were certainly helpful, and you HAVE to love how they treated women and homosexuals. Of course...transgendered types there I am sure recieved the same kind of love and respect. Oh...for the good old days of Taliban rule in Afghanistan and Saddam in Iraq.
it is a tenuous thread you weave trying to have the Taliban do more than give Osama a place to live after being kicked out of the Sudan. it was more a courtesy after Osama's help fighting the Soviets rather than a mutual love fest.

Now given the current, some say puppet government, we installed I don't think gays or women get that great a shake now. I don't see the SSM issue going well in Afghanistan...have a missed it being adopted in Kabul?

Given the enormous cost of both Iraq and Afghanistan and the very crappy return, democracy my shiny hiney, gays and the transgendered can expect no surge of governmental love, women have a very good possibility of returning to second class citizen with a few showboat exceptions.

We never learn....
 

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It's their choice not ours... until they show up here by the shipload and are granted asylum by the very same people that didn't care enough to help them in the first place.

That is a completely different problem that came from the depths of your overactive imagination. The crazy fear mongering in this argument is completely absurd. Seriously, if we didn't give the jews a place in america after ww2 I am pretty sure we are not going to take in every muslim refugee that is out there just because they ask. When that becomes a problem then you bring it up, but the magical fantasy hypothetical arguments need to be kept to glen beck where they belong.
 

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So we should of just packed up and left after getting to Al Queda? Sorry, we took out your government, police force and blew up a lot of your infrastructure, bye, have a nice day.
Everyone except the US does that.
 

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it is a tenuous thread you weave trying to have the Taliban do more than give Osama a place to live after being kicked out of the Sudan. it was more a courtesy after Osama's help fighting the Soviets rather than a mutual love fest.

Now given the current, some say puppet government, we installed I don't think gays or women get that great a shake now. I don't see the SSM issue going well in Afghanistan...have a missed it being adopted in Kabul?

Given the enormous cost of both Iraq and Afghanistan and the very crappy return, democracy my shiny hiney, gays and the transgendered can expect no surge of governmental love, women have a very good possibility of returning to second class citizen with a few showboat exceptions.

We never learn....
Like I said...Im glad to note that you would prefer the rule of Saddam and the Taliban. THIER record on the matters...well...it was pretty clear. But in case you missed it, we can probably post the videos again of the hangings, the burned bodies, the women stoned for the crime of being raped, etc. Me...Id take the OPPORTUNITY for self determination, democracy, even...whats that label you like...oh yeah...progress...over what was already known. But...hey...different strokes.
 

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Like I said...Im glad to note that you would prefer the rule of Saddam and the Taliban. THIER record on the matters...well...it was pretty clear. But in case you missed it, we can probably post the videos again of the hangings, the burned bodies, the women stoned for the crime of being raped, etc. Me...Id take the OPPORTUNITY for self determination, democracy, even...whats that label you like...oh yeah...progress...over what was already known. But...hey...different strokes.
OH PLAHEEZE!!!! As if it was about removing Saddam, or any of a dozen other cruel dudes, or for that matter the Taliban. Russia tried for 10 years and the backlash was the Taliban, wonder what our leaving will unleash?

Have you not been paying attention to the reports out of Iraq AFTER Saddam was hung??? Still murders, mutilations, hangings, girls being killed attending schools- what exactly changed beyond the murderers are a bit more diverse? Suicide bombers, mosques attacked.... Iran delving into Iraqi politics.... yeah that's progress we can be proud of and well worth the dead, mutilated Americans along with a trillion or so dollars.

I wouldn't expend so many lives and money on Afghanistan as 'opportunity' in that country is more like a forlorn hope than realistic opportunity. I wish the Neo-cons had read history instead of arrogantly thinking history starts today.
 

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OH PLAHEEZE!!!! As if it was about removing Saddam, or any of a dozen other cruel dudes, or for that matter the Taliban. Russia tried for 10 years and the backlash was the Taliban, wonder what our leaving will unleash?

Have you not been paying attention to the reports out of Iraq AFTER Saddam was hung??? Still murders, mutilations, hangings, girls being killed attending schools- what exactly changed beyond the murderers are a bit more diverse? Suicide bombers, mosques attacked.... Iran delving into Iraqi politics.... yeah that's progress we can be proud of and well worth the dead, mutilated Americans along with a trillion or so dollars.

I wouldn't expend so many lives and money on Afghanistan as 'opportunity' in that country is more like a forlorn hope than realistic opportunity. I wish the Neo-cons had read history instead of arrogantly thinking history starts today.
I cant dictate what the Iraqis choose post Saddam nor the Afghanis post Taliban. Point of fact we should have helped both of them elect a government and left...Bush's biggest failing was their post war ops. If they want to choose fundamentalism...OK. If they want to allow Al Qaida back in, they get what they deserve. I cant address what tomorrow will hold for them...thats THEIR choice. We DID address the knowns. The Russians couldn't pull it off...we managed to defeat the Taliban and Saddam n the combined span of about 3 months. We created an environment where their people could select their own fate.

But...I get your point and will continue to return to it since you continue to embrace it. You long for the days of Saddam in Iraq and the Taliban rule. Things were so swell...and held such promise.
 

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I cant dictate what the Iraqis choose post Saddam nor the Afghanis post Taliban. Point of fact we should have helped both of them elect a government and left...Bush's biggest failing was their post war ops. If they want to choose fundamentalism...OK. If they want to allow Al Qaida back in, they get what they deserve. I cant address what tomorrow will hold for them...thats THEIR choice. We DID address the knowns. The Russians couldn't pull it off...we managed to defeat the Taliban and Saddam n the combined span of about 3 months. We created an environment where their people could select their own fate.

But...I get your point and will continue to return to it since you continue to embrace it. You long for the days of Saddam in Iraq and the Taliban rule. Things were so swell...and held such promise.
first point to where I ever posted I long for Saddam or the Taliban? You are creating an apposing position to argue against rather than the one I present.... tacky as hell.

Next we didn't defeat anyone in Afghanistan, that is the typical flawed mindset that hinders rational decision making BEFORE attacking a country long steeped in fighting invaders. We didn't defeat anyone, they simply went underground or to safe havens. Many we call Taliban fighters simply put down their weapons and waited.

Next in Iraq we didn't give 'the people' a chance at anything but more murder and mayhem. More like we pulled the cork on a volatile mix of tribe/religion that the Neo-Cons were clueless about and clueless how to stop. it was our 'help' in electing a new government that was AS responsible for the violence as unleashing the various factions to wage retribution on each other. you can't point at just one part of the Iraqi debacle and say flawed when it was a screwed pooch from the git-go.

Revisionists are going to work long and hard to make Iraq about freedom and 'a chance' but the real bottom line was a very flawed attempt to put a strong pro-USofA nation as a bulwark against Iran and it's designs on the Middle East/Israel that just happens to have massive oil reserves...
 

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first point to where I ever posted I long for Saddam or the Taliban? You are creating an apposing position to argue against rather than the one I present.... tacky as hell.

Next we didn't defeat anyone in Afghanistan, that is the typical flawed mindset that hinders rational decision making BEFORE attacking a country long steeped in fighting invaders. We didn't defeat anyone, they simply went underground or to safe havens. Many we call Taliban fighters simply put down their weapons and waited.

Next in Iraq we didn't give 'the people' a chance at anything but more murder and mayhem. More like we pulled the cork on a volatile mix of tribe/religion that the Neo-Cons were clueless about and clueless how to stop. it was our 'help' in electing a new government that was AS responsible for the violence as unleashing the various factions to wage retribution on each other. you can't point at just one part of the Iraqi debacle and say flawed when it was a screwed pooch from the git-go.

Revisionists are going to work long and hard to make Iraq about freedom and 'a chance' but the real bottom line was a very flawed attempt to put a strong pro-USofA nation as a bulwark against Iran and it's designs on the Middle East/Israel that just happens to have massive oil reserves...
You can keep bitching and whining about neocons and longing for the good old days when Saddam brutalized his people and the Taliban killed men for acting effeminate, let alone actually being gay. Whatever works for you.
 

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You can keep bitching and whining about neocons and longing for the good old days when Saddam brutalized his people and the Taliban killed men for acting effeminate, let alone actually being gay. Whatever works for you.
And you can keep attempting to justify thousands of dead and maimed soldiers, the trillions spent on the debacle of Iraq and the folly of nation building in Afghanistan as they was bad men when in most parts of the world you can't swing a dead cat and not hit a dozen very bad men.
 
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