Report: Antarctic Ice Growing, Not Shrinking

[Renae]

However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia.

East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting of Antarctic Treaty nations in Washington noted the South Pole had shown "significant cooling in recent decades."

FOXNews.com - Report: Antarctic Ice Growing, Not Shrinking - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News

Global warming... cept down there of course.

 

[Middleground]

You thread title is misleading.

 

[celticlord]

You thread title is misleading.

How is it misleading?

 

[Renae]

How is it misleading?

Perhaps this confuses her?

Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Center shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years.

A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded.

It's very confusing, more ice in Antarctica then ever before doesn't jive with the whole "We're melting the world with our GHG!" stuff she reads daily.

 

[Middleground]

How is it misleading?

From the article:

East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling.

How does that become all of Antarctica?

 

[Renae]

From the article:

East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling.

How does that become all of Antarctica?

As a whole, the ice is thickening. Title is fine, your logic is flawed.

 

[Middleground]

As a whole, the ice is thickening. Title is fine, your logic is flawed.

No, NOT as a whole. See, there are parts of Antarctica where the ice is not thickening. See, that's why the title is misleading, because it leads people to believe that it is thickening throughout, where there are some parts that are devastated by warming.

 

[celticlord]

No, NOT as a whole. See, there are parts of Antarctica where the ice is not thickening. See, that's why the title is misleading, because it leads people to believe that it is thickening throughout, where there are some parts that are devastated by warming.

Ok, so 80% of Antarctica is getting cooler, 20% is getting warmer, and the cause for both is that the Earth is getting warmer.:roll:

If this is what passes for science we're in a lot of trouble.

 

[Middleground]

Ok, so 80% of Antarctica is getting cooler, 20% is getting warmer, and the cause for both is that the Earth is getting warmer.:roll:

If this is what passes for science we're in a lot of trouble.

Not sure about the 80%-20%, but yeah, both are indications of warming. And if fact, it's hard science that has determined that.

Seriously.

 

[celticlord]

Not sure about the 80%-20%, but yeah, both are indications of warming. And if fact, it's hard science that has determined that.

Seriously.

So the earth getting cooler is due to the earth getting warmer....

Umm....yeah. Sure. Right. :rofl:rofl:rofl

 

[Renae]

So the earth getting cooler is due to the earth getting warmer....

Umm....yeah. Sure. Right. :rofl:rofl:rofl

If you believe that the earth is getting warmer, any information that contradicts this is most palatable by assuming that the cold is actually proof of warming, there by maintaining the belief.

A part of Antarctica shows a "some warming" which in a place that damn cold is relative. But the majority is colder, and the ice is thickening...

So again, Title = fine, your logic = flawed.

 

[celticlord]

If you believe that the earth is getting warmer, any information that contradicts this is most palatable by assuming that the cold is actually proof of warming, there by maintaining the belief.

A part of Antarctica shows a "some warming" which in a place that damn cold is relative. But the majority is colder, and the ice is thickening...

So again, Title = fine, your logic = flawed.

You do realize that I'm on your side, right?:mrgreen:

 

[Renae]

You do realize that I'm on your side, right?:mrgreen:

I appear to be at work, for a no lunch break, 12 hour shift day... I have not yet achieved the half way mark, this has affected my brain, and I CLICKED ON THE WRONG POST TO QUOTE.


There we go, all explained, now if you do not mind, I'll go back to Doctor Who.

(Thank Goodness for Netflix)

 

[Middleground]

So the earth getting cooler is due to the earth getting warmer....

Umm....yeah. Sure. Right. :rofl:rofl:rofl

I'm too lazy right now to find the article, but it has been posted in this forum before. The heat on the outer edges of Antarctica causes more snow in the inland areas, which leads to more ice build-up.

 

[Arch Enemy]

I really wanted the title to be Antarctic Ice Glowing.

Now that would be awesome!

 

[celticlord]

I appear to be at work, for a no lunch break, 12 hour shift day... I have not yet achieved the half way mark, this has affected my brain, and I CLICKED ON THE WRONG POST TO QUOTE.


There we go, all explained, now if you do not mind, I'll go back to Doctor Who.

(Thank Goodness for Netflix)

My advice to you is to drink heavily....

 

[ALiberalModerate]

As a whole, the ice is thickening. Title is fine, your logic is flawed.

You realize that IPCC projections have long forecasted a thickening of Antarctic Ice due to the increased precipitation that results from a warming climate. They have been predicting a thaw only in the later half of this century as the climate warmed enough down there to offset the additional snow fall.

Peer reviewed article is here: Science/AAAS | Science Magazine: Sign In

Story on the subject by the BBC is here:

Antarctic buffers sea level rise

The overall mass of the Antarctic may be decreasing because ice near the coasts is melting
The ice sheet covering the interior of Antarctica is thickening, researchers report in the journal Science.
This bulge, which was recorded by satellite, may temporarily buffer rising sea levels, they believe.

Antarctica's "weight gain" is due to extra snowfall, caused by rising temperatures, the US-UK team thinks.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Antarctic buffers sea level rise

 

[Renae]

Amazing stuff there...

Do they explain why, despite the "warming" it's getting colder as well?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Amazing stuff there...

Do they explain why, despite the "warming" it's getting colder as well?

From the article:

"East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling."

So parts are cooling. Are those parts 10% of west Antarctica? 50%? 90%? They don't tell you. However, generally, ice thickening would be due to an increase in precipitation while temperatures remain sub freezing. You cannot have an increase in precipitation without a general warming of the climate. One of the main reasons why the poles are so dry is that they are so cold. However, if you have a slight increase in the over all climate (some areas cooling, more areas slight warming), then you will have a thickening of the ice until the temperature increase is enough to result in melting, which is a long ways away assuming temperatures ever warm that much over the interior of the continent.

That said, the article linked to from the Fox Article points out the following:

"The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting of Antarctic Treaty nations in Washington noted the South Pole had shown "significant cooling in recent decades"."

Which would indicate that at least the pole itself had cooled. So who knows at this point. I do know that climatologists have been puzzled by antarctic climate for some time now.

 

[Gill]

You realize that IPCC projections have long forecasted a thickening of Antarctic Ice due to the increased precipitation that results from a warming climate. They have been predicting a thaw only in the later half of this century as the climate warmed enough down there to offset the additional snow fall.

Peer reviewed article is here: Science/AAAS | Science Magazine: Sign In

Story on the subject by the BBC is here:



BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Antarctic buffers sea level rise

Ever notice that these dire predictions are always predicted for next year, or next decade???

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

You realize that IPCC projections have long forecasted a thickening of Antarctic Ice due to the increased precipitation that results from a warming climate. They have been predicting a thaw only in the later half of this century as the climate warmed enough down there to offset the additional snow fall.

You mean we're supposed to trust a bunch of government bureaucrats who've been caught lying many times, and just beeelieeeve that their predictions of what will happen after most of us are dead will justify their present platter of lies today?

Here's a better theory:

The IPCC doesn't know their ass from their elbow and they're grasping at any straw to make themselves look knowledgeable while their sell their latest con.

when they come up with a theory that satistifes the basic precepts of a scientific theory, ie, predictability, falsifiability, and consistency with known facts, then maybe we would have a reason to believe them.

Until then, no chance.

The ice in Antartica is getting thicker because transient natural climate cycles are raising local relative humidity.

 

[Middleground]

The ice in Antartica is getting thicker because transient natural climate cycles are raising local relative humidity.

That's right.

Why trust actual scientists, when we have Scarecrow telling us about the real truth cuz he said so. :roll:

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

That's right.

Why trust actual scientists, when we have Scarecrow telling us about the real truth cuz he said so. :roll:

Works for me.

Then again, it's not real scientists writing the IPCC sales brochures, it's conmen.

 

[Gill]

That's right.

Why trust actual scientists, when we have Scarecrow telling us about the real truth cuz he said so. :roll:

OK, let's hear from some "actual scientists".

ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap....

Dr Allison said there was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting. “The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west,” he said. And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual.

“Ice shelves in general have episodic carvings and there can be large icebergs breaking off — I’m talking 100km or 200km long — every 10 or 20 or 50 years.”

Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia’s Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the 1950s is 1.67m.

A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded.

As can be seen in the graph above, Antarctic ice extent is over 1 million square kilometers ABOVE average.

You can run and hide now like you usually do when proven wrong.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Works for me.

Then again, it's not real scientists writing the IPCC sales brochures, it's conmen.

For the most part its scientists. There has been some political influence in the reports, but by and large its been to water them down. After all, what developed or developing nation on earth has anything to gain in the short term from actions to mitigate carbon emissions. Its not as though the nations of the world are lining up to do something that everyone agrees with place a drag on economic growth.