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Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”[W:506]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

No Mike, not the US government. The perpetrators, international players, perhaps including Saudi, had Saudi do this. For all practical purposes, that makes Saudi one of the perpetrators, one of the players.

The US government has been infiltrated for many years, before George Bush took office. These attacks were planned before George Bush took office. Their are so many Mossad/CIA fingerprints on it that it's not funny.

Reason I asked if it was the US govt. is many posters who agree it was CD state it was an inside job (i.e. US Govt). Thanks for clarifying.

I don't agree with you,but at least you gave an honest reply.

So who are the perps? I always find it interesting when posters use generics like perps or they. Do you know who they are?
 
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Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Reason I asked if it was the US govt. is many posters who agree it was CD state it was an inside job (i.e. US Govt). Thanks for clarifying.

I don't agree with you,but at least you gave an honest reply.

So who are the perps? I always find it interesting when posters use generics like perps or they. Do you know who they are?

They are them of course. Never us.
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Reason I asked if it was the US govt. is many posters who agree it was CD state it was an inside job (i.e. US Govt). Thanks for clarifying.

I don't agree with you,but at least you gave an honest reply.

So who are the perps? I always find it interesting when posters use generics like perps or they. Do you know who they are?

Only in the most general way.
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Senator Bob Graham is not exactly a knight in shining armor with respect to disclosing the truth about 9/11.

Bob Graham and the Missing 9/11 Report Pages
by Kevin Ryan

The media has taken an increasing interest in the 28 pages that were redacted from the 9/11 Joint Congressional Inquiry Report. The stories usually feature one of the Inquiry’s leaders, former Senator Bob Graham, who has claimed that the missing pages point to involvement of the government of Saudi Arabia. Although Saudi complicity is in no way surprising, facts that are often overlooked suggest that Graham’s actions may not be entirely straightforward. This leads independent researchers to raise concerns about his intentions and those concerns are justified.

To begin with, Graham never calls for release of other documents collected by the government’s 9/11 investigators, most of which are still held secret. That includes the majority of 9/11 Commission documents, of which only a fraction have been released—with much of the content redacted. The release of Commission documents is hindered by claims that they are exempt from the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) because they are congressional records. Nonetheless, the public deserves to see documents that might answer critical questions.

Moreover, Graham shows no interest in the many alarming facts about 9/11 that have been uncovered through released documents and videos. Some things that have been released via FOIA request are far more compelling than claims of Saudi financing. These include numerous testimonies to explosives being used to bring down the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings.

After a lawsuit by 9/11 victims’ families, the oral histories of the New York City Fire Department (FDNY) were released in August 2005. At least 23% of those eyewitnesses gave testimony to explosions in the Twin Towers. About 60 FDNY members reported hearing warnings of the unpredictable “collapse” of WTC Building 7.

Still held secret by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) are the agency’s computer models on which it based its non-explosive conclusions. In response to a FOIA request, a NIST spokesman declared that revealing the computer models would “jeopardize public safety.” Graham is never heard challenging that absurd justification for withholding critical information, nor has he objected to the fact that NIST conducted an entirely unscientific WTC investigation.

Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based on torture testimony, the records of which were destroyed by the CIA. Since that time, the government has produced documents stating that the first alleged al Qaeda leader tortured for information was never related to al Qaeda in any way. This means that all of his torture testimony, upon which the 9/11 Commission Report was based, was false. Yet Graham and his supporters say nothing about it.

Read the article ...

Bob Graham and the Missing 9/11 Report Pages Washington's Blog
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Senator Bob Graham is not exactly a knight in shining armor with respect to disclosing the truth about 9/11.

Bob Graham and the Missing 9/11 Report Pages
by Kevin Ryan

The media has taken an increasing interest in the 28 pages that were redacted from the 9/11 Joint Congressional Inquiry Report. The stories usually feature one of the Inquiry’s leaders, former Senator Bob Graham, who has claimed that the missing pages point to involvement of the government of Saudi Arabia. Although Saudi complicity is in no way surprising, facts that are often overlooked suggest that Graham’s actions may not be entirely straightforward. This leads independent researchers to raise concerns about his intentions and those concerns are justified.

To begin with, Graham never calls for release of other documents collected by the government’s 9/11 investigators, most of which are still held secret. That includes the majority of 9/11 Commission documents, of which only a fraction have been released—with much of the content redacted. The release of Commission documents is hindered by claims that they are exempt from the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) because they are congressional records. Nonetheless, the public deserves to see documents that might answer critical questions.

Moreover, Graham shows no interest in the many alarming facts about 9/11 that have been uncovered through released documents and videos. Some things that have been released via FOIA request are far more compelling than claims of Saudi financing. These include numerous testimonies to explosives being used to bring down the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings.

After a lawsuit by 9/11 victims’ families, the oral histories of the New York City Fire Department (FDNY) were released in August 2005. At least 23% of those eyewitnesses gave testimony to explosions in the Twin Towers. About 60 FDNY members reported hearing warnings of the unpredictable “collapse” of WTC Building 7.

Still held secret by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) are the agency’s computer models on which it based its non-explosive conclusions. In response to a FOIA request, a NIST spokesman declared that revealing the computer models would “jeopardize public safety.” Graham is never heard challenging that absurd justification for withholding critical information, nor has he objected to the fact that NIST conducted an entirely unscientific WTC investigation.

Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based on torture testimony, the records of which were destroyed by the CIA. Since that time, the government has produced documents stating that the first alleged al Qaeda leader tortured for information was never related to al Qaeda in any way. This means that all of his torture testimony, upon which the 9/11 Commission Report was based, was false. Yet Graham and his supporters say nothing about it.

Read the article ...

Bob Graham and the Missing 9/11 Report Pages Washington's Blog

So, who do you think Bob Graham believes was behind 911?
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

So, who do you think Bob Graham believes was behind 911?

Bob Graham planned it and carried it out. A perfectly fiendish scheme.
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Reason I asked if it was the US govt. is many posters who agree it was CD state it was an inside job (i.e. US Govt). Thanks for clarifying.

I don't agree with you,but at least you gave an honest reply.

So who are the perps? I always find it interesting when posters use generics like perps or they. Do you know who they are?

Everything points to Israeli Mossad involvement at nearly every level. With the exception of the Saudis, most of the foreign players seem to be Israeli, including players who went to work in the Pentagon during the Reagan administration. It's been a long time coming....
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Senator Bob Graham is not exactly a knight in shining armor with respect to disclosing the truth about 9/11.

Bob Graham and the Missing 9/11 Report Pages
by Kevin Ryan

The media has taken an increasing interest in the 28 pages that were redacted from the 9/11 Joint Congressional Inquiry Report. The stories usually feature one of the Inquiry’s leaders, former Senator Bob Graham, who has claimed that the missing pages point to involvement of the government of Saudi Arabia. Although Saudi complicity is in no way surprising, facts that are often overlooked suggest that Graham’s actions may not be entirely straightforward. This leads independent researchers to raise concerns about his intentions and those concerns are justified.

To begin with, Graham never calls for release of other documents collected by the government’s 9/11 investigators, most of which are still held secret. That includes the majority of 9/11 Commission documents, of which only a fraction have been released—with much of the content redacted. The release of Commission documents is hindered by claims that they are exempt from the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) because they are congressional records. Nonetheless, the public deserves to see documents that might answer critical questions.

Moreover, Graham shows no interest in the many alarming facts about 9/11 that have been uncovered through released documents and videos. Some things that have been released via FOIA request are far more compelling than claims of Saudi financing. These include numerous testimonies to explosives being used to bring down the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings.

After a lawsuit by 9/11 victims’ families, the oral histories of the New York City Fire Department (FDNY) were released in August 2005. At least 23% of those eyewitnesses gave testimony to explosions in the Twin Towers. About 60 FDNY members reported hearing warnings of the unpredictable “collapse” of WTC Building 7.

Still held secret by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) are the agency’s computer models on which it based its non-explosive conclusions. In response to a FOIA request, a NIST spokesman declared that revealing the computer models would “jeopardize public safety.” Graham is never heard challenging that absurd justification for withholding critical information, nor has he objected to the fact that NIST conducted an entirely unscientific WTC investigation.

Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based on torture testimony, the records of which were destroyed by the CIA. Since that time, the government has produced documents stating that the first alleged al Qaeda leader tortured for information was never related to al Qaeda in any way. This means that all of his torture testimony, upon which the 9/11 Commission Report was based, was false. Yet Graham and his supporters say nothing about it.

Read the article ...

Bob Graham and the Missing 9/11 Report Pages Washington's Blog

I must agree--while I'm happy Graham has said what he has, much more significance attaches to what he has NOT said. He is, after all, just a politician with few scruples if any.
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Everything points to Israeli Mossad involvement at nearly every level. With the exception of the Saudis, most of the foreign players seem to be Israeli, including players who went to work in the Pentagon during the Reagan administration. It's been a long time coming....

So, the 19 Muslim Terrorists... How do they fit into the Mossad?
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Mossad is into almost everything according to some.

9/11, Sandi Hook, etc. Considering the type of sources that publish such dribble., imo there is not much there.:peace
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

MAJOR DEVELOPMENT: Rand Paul, Ron Wyden to Introduce 28 Pages Resolution in Senate
By Brian McGlinchey

The growing, nonpartisan drive to declassify a 28-page finding on foreign government support of the 9/11 hijackers is about to take an enormous step forward with the introduction of a Senate resolution urging the president to release the material to the public. Dramatically compounding the issue’s visibility, the resolution is being introduced by high-profile Republican presidential hopeful Rand Paul of Kentucky.

A spokesperson for Senator Paul told 28Pages.org that Oregon Democrat Ron Wyden will cosponsor the resolution, which will serve as the upper chamber’s companion to House Resolution 14. Wyden is a member of the Senate intelligence committee.

Paul will unveil the Transparency for the Families of 9/11 Victims Act at an outdoor Capitol Hill press conference on Tuesday, June 2 at 10:00 am, joined by Representatives Walter Jones (R, NC), Stephen Lynch (D, MA), Thomas Massie (R, KY) and former Democratic Senator Bob Graham.

Jones, Lynch and Massie introduced H.Res.14 and have been championing the issue—and seeking like-minded senators to lead the cause in the upper chamber—since December 2013.

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MAJOR DEVELOPMENT: Rand Paul, Ron Wyden to Introduce 28 Pages Resolution in Senate | 28Pages.org
 
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Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

MAJOR DEVELOPMENT: Rand Paul, Ron Wyden to Introduce 28 Pages Resolution in Senate
By Brian McGlinchey

The growing, nonpartisan drive to declassify a 28-page finding on foreign government support of the 9/11 hijackers is about to take an enormous step forward with the introduction of a Senate resolution urging the president to release the material to the public. Dramatically compounding the issue’s visibility, the resolution is being introduced by high-profile Republican presidential hopeful Rand Paul of Kentucky.

A spokesperson for Senator Paul told 28Pages.org that Oregon Democrat Ron Wyden will cosponsor the resolution, which will serve as the upper chamber’s companion to House Resolution 14. Wyden is a member of the Senate intelligence committee.

Paul will unveil the Transparency for the Families of 9/11 Victims Act at an outdoor Capitol Hill press conference on Tuesday, June 2 at 10:00 am, joined by Representatives Walter Jones (R, NC), Stephen Lynch (D, MA), Thomas Massie (R, KY) and former Democratic Senator Bob Graham.

Jones, Lynch and Massie introduced H.Res.14 and have been championing the issue—and seeking like-minded senators to lead the cause in the upper chamber—since December 2013.

Read the rest ...

MAJOR DEVELOPMENT: Rand Paul, Ron Wyden to Introduce 28 Pages Resolution in Senate | 28Pages.org

Thanks for the link Bob. I hope this effort gains momentum.
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Thanks for the link Bob. I hope this effort gains momentum.

You would think it would be a done deal already considering Obama twice promised the 9/11 families he would get the 28 pages declassified. But then again, the pathological-liar-in-chief reneged on just about all his promises, just like his predecessor.
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Interesting article:

We need to know: Did Saudis help fund 9/11 attacks?
By James Bovard

Do Americans have the right to learn whether a foreign government helped finance the 9/11 attacks? A growing number of congressmen and senators are demanding that a 28-page portion of a 2002 congressional report finally be declassified. The Obama administration appears to be resisting, and the stakes are huge. What is contained in those pages could radically change Americans' perspective of the War on Terror.

...

"Don't confuse me with the facts" should not be the motto of the War on Terror. Self-government is an illusion if politicians can shroud the most important details driving federal policy. If Americans have learned anything since 9/11, it should be the folly of deferring to Washington secrecy.

We need to know: Did Saudis help fund 9/11 attacks? Column

It isn't just about 28 pages, there are over 10,000 documents/pieces of evidence on 9/11 being withheld from the public by the US government as admitted by the US government. We only recently learned that the FBI withheld over 8,000 documents and lied to the 9/11 Commission and Congress by failing to reveal the existence of those documents. We have no idea how much more is being withheld that they're not telling us. This is a massive coverup and complicity to terrorism and mass murder. Those 28 pages, if and when exposed may hopefully cause a lot more to be revealed about 9/11. Those who believe 9/11 is a settled issue because the US government fed us a whopper about 9/11 are extremely naive.

"They must find it difficult... Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." - Gerald Massey
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Interesting article:

We need to know: Did Saudis help fund 9/11 attacks?
By James Bovard

Do Americans have the right to learn whether a foreign government helped finance the 9/11 attacks? A growing number of congressmen and senators are demanding that a 28-page portion of a 2002 congressional report finally be declassified. The Obama administration appears to be resisting, and the stakes are huge. What is contained in those pages could radically change Americans' perspective of the War on Terror.

...

"Don't confuse me with the facts" should not be the motto of the War on Terror. Self-government is an illusion if politicians can shroud the most important details driving federal policy. If Americans have learned anything since 9/11, it should be the folly of deferring to Washington secrecy.

We need to know: Did Saudis help fund 9/11 attacks? Column

It isn't just about 28 pages, there are over 10,000 documents/pieces of evidence on 9/11 being withheld from the public by the US government as admitted by the US government. We only recently learned that the FBI withheld over 8,000 documents and lied to the 9/11 Commission and Congress by failing to reveal the existence of those documents. We have no idea how much more is being withheld that they're not telling us. This is a massive coverup and complicity to terrorism and mass murder. Those 28 pages, if and when exposed may hopefully cause a lot more to be revealed about 9/11. Those who believe 9/11 is a settled issue because the US government fed us a whopper about 9/11 are extremely naive.

"They must find it difficult... Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." - Gerald Massey

For those who claim 9/11 was a inside job why would the US govt need the Saudis to provide money to the US govt to conduct 9/11?
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Interesting article:

We need to know: Did Saudis help fund 9/11 attacks?
By James Bovard

Do Americans have the right to learn whether a foreign government helped finance the 9/11 attacks? A growing number of congressmen and senators are demanding that a 28-page portion of a 2002 congressional report finally be declassified. The Obama administration appears to be resisting, and the stakes are huge. What is contained in those pages could radically change Americans' perspective of the War on Terror.

...

"Don't confuse me with the facts" should not be the motto of the War on Terror. Self-government is an illusion if politicians can shroud the most important details driving federal policy. If Americans have learned anything since 9/11, it should be the folly of deferring to Washington secrecy.

We need to know: Did Saudis help fund 9/11 attacks? Column

It isn't just about 28 pages, there are over 10,000 documents/pieces of evidence on 9/11 being withheld from the public by the US government as admitted by the US government. We only recently learned that the FBI withheld over 8,000 documents and lied to the 9/11 Commission and Congress by failing to reveal the existence of those documents. We have no idea how much more is being withheld that they're not telling us. This is a massive coverup and complicity to terrorism and mass murder. Those 28 pages, if and when exposed may hopefully cause a lot more to be revealed about 9/11. Those who believe 9/11 is a settled issue because the US government fed us a whopper about 9/11 are extremely naive.

"They must find it difficult... Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." - Gerald Massey

Did Saudis help fund 9/11?

Yes. As did Palestinians, Yemenis, Iraqis, etc.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd?
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

For those who claim 9/11 was a inside job why would the US govt need the Saudis to provide money to the US govt to conduct 9/11?

It's not about those who claim anything, it's about getting at all the information and the truth about 9/11. Something you don't seem to have any interest in. So don't worry about it, in your world all you need to know has already been fed to you, there is nothing else you need to know.

Keeping that information hidden under pretext of national security is an inside job in itself. It isn't being done by any foreign power, it's being done by the US government at the highest levels over the last two administrations.
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

It's not about those who claim anything, it's about getting at all the information and the truth about 9/11. Something you don't seem to have any interest in. So don't worry about it, in your world all you need to know has already been fed to you, there is nothing else you need to know.

Keeping that information hidden under pretext of national security is an inside job in itself. It isn't being done by any foreign power, it's being done by the US government at the highest levels over the last two administrations.

So, classifying information is now an "inside job'

Must be the TRUTHER dictionary definition.
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

It's not about those who claim anything, it's about getting at all the information and the truth about 9/11. Something you don't seem to have any interest in. So don't worry about it, in your world all you need to know has already been fed to you, there is nothing else you need to know.

Keeping that information hidden under pretext of national security is an inside job in itself. It isn't being done by any foreign power, it's being done by the US government at the highest levels over the last two administrations.

You know that does not answer the question of why the US govt would need the Saudis to provide money.

Thanks for not answering.
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

You know that does not answer the question of why the US govt would need the Saudis to provide money.

Who other than you believes the US government needed the Saudis to provide money (I assume you mean to the alleged hijackers?).

Do you actually expect me or anyone here to have an answer to that question? And if someone here did, would you believe it?

Thanks for not answering.

No problem.
 
Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Who other than you believes the US government needed the Saudis to provide money (I assume you mean to the alleged hijackers?).

Do you actually expect me or anyone here to have an answer to that question? And if someone here did, would you believe it?



No problem.

Your source "Do Americans have the right to learn whether a foreign government helped finance the 9/11 attacks? "

Not at all what I stated. But you have a track record of rewording posts to fit your delusion.

Are you saying the hijackers were working for or were directed by the US govt?
 
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