Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”[W:506]

[Bob0627]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Complete nonsense.

What is? Bob Graham, the 28 redacted pages, Bush, Obama, Saudis ... other?

Since when have CT's ever given a rip about official investigations?

CT's? What official investigations?

Remember, the investigations are always cover-ups.

What investigations? A coverup is not an investigation, it's a coverup.

Try posting something intelligible if you have a point to make. Just a suggestion. You're welcome.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

What is? Bob Graham, the 28 redacted pages, Bush, Obama, Saudis ... other?



CT's? What official investigations?



What investigations? A coverup is not an investigation, it's a coverup.

Try posting something intelligible if you have a point to make. Just a suggestion. You're welcome.

So,what do you think will be found?

Other than some Saudis helped fund the terrorist attacks you dont believe in.

 

[Bob0627]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

So,what do you think will be found?

Why are you concerned with what I think? Don't you have your own mind and your own concerns?

Other than some Saudis helped fund the terrorist attacks you dont believe in.

That there were terrorist attacks is noncontroversial. I don't believe anyone in his/her right mind does not view 9/11 as a terrorist act. You need to be concerned with your own beliefs, not mine.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Why are you concerned with what I think? Don't you have your own mind and your own concerns?

That there were terrorist attacks is noncontroversial. I don't believe anyone in his/her right mind does not view 9/11 as a terrorist act. You need to be concerned with your own beliefs, not mine.

So, a standard non-answer.

Yes indeed i have my own mind. And it is ruled by reason. Unlkie some who are ruled by their irrational fear of nebulous entities in control of shadowy forces...

You appear emotionally invested in these few pages.

They have to have some importance to you.

I am wondering why.

You keep ressurecting the thread.

Why?

What earthshattering news do you expect?

 

[Bob0627]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

So, a standard non-answer.

Yes indeed i have my own mind. And it is ruled by reason. Unlkie some who are ruled by their irrational fear of nebulous entities in control of shadowy forces...

You appear emotionally invested in these few pages.

They have to have some importance to you.

I am wondering why.

You keep ressurecting the thread.

Why?

What earthshattering news do you expect?

It's apparent you're more interested in discussing me than the subject of this thread. When and if you start posting something relevant to the subject of the thread, I'll respond as I see fit.

Stick to the subject. If you don't understand the subject, I suggest you reread the title of the thread and keep a dictionary handy, it isn't my job to explain it to you.

If the above is a "standard non-answer" to you then so be it.

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Complete nonsense.

Since when have CT's ever given a rip about official investigations? Remember, the investigations are always cover-ups.

It appears you are too obtuse to understand that IF the government had ordered an immediate investigation, open to the public, THEN all the citizen investigators would have had no reason to investigate on their own.

Instead of an immediate honest investigation, we had foot-dragging and stonewalling by the government. That is what caused the Jersey Girls to go into action, from which the documentary Press For Truth came.

You just don't get it Mark. Because the government refused to investigate, men like Chris Bollyn and many thousands of others with curious minds, began their own investigations. It's not really rocket science Mark, just predictable human behavior.

 

[Mark F]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

It appears you are too obtuse to understand that IF the government had ordered an immediate investigation, open to the public, THEN all the citizen investigators would have had no reason to investigate on their own.

Instead of an immediate honest investigation, we had foot-dragging and stonewalling by the government. That is what caused the Jersey Girls to go into action, from which the documentary Press For Truth came.

You just don't get it Mark. Because the government refused to investigate, men like Chris Bollyn and many thousands of others with curious minds, began their own investigations. It's not really rocket science Mark, just predictable human behavior.

It amazes me that after years of surfing CT forums and being a CT yourself you don't understand how that doesn't matter one bit.

 

[Bob0627]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

The following is an interview with Bob McIlvaine, whose son was murdered on 9/11. The interviewer is long time 9/11 researcher Jon Gold. At about 17:30+, there is a long discussion about the redacted 28 pages. With one exception, Bob McIlvaine attended every 9/11 Commission hearing and in this interview, he claims Lee Hamilton, one of the 9/11 Commission co-chairs, is complicit in the coverup of 9/11. He calls for his hanging (and others) at the GZ square because he took part in the coverup.



The 28 redacted pages are only the tip of the iceberg in the 9/11 coverup by the last 2 administrations and other complicit criminals. This issue is however the most visible, even though you won't see much information in the government controlled MSM about this.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

It's apparent you're more interested in discussing me than the subject of this thread. When and if you start posting something relevant to the subject of the thread, I'll respond as I see fit.

Stick to the subject. If you don't understand the subject, I suggest you reread the title of the thread and keep a dictionary handy, it isn't my job to explain it to you.

If the above is a "standard non-answer" to you then so be it.

The OP is "Those pesky 28 redacted pages sure have those who have read them fired up. There must be some kind of Saudi whopper in them that Bush asked the 9/11 Commission to cover up."

OK.

And?

If that is all you are going to state, why keep bumping the thread?

By now everyone knows there are 28 redacted pages that may or may not discuss Saudis....

And?

 

[Bob0627]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

why keep bumping the thread?

I didn't "bump" anything, I posted a new article and a new audio interview related to this subject.

Why are you being a major hypocrite about this? I've seen you bump threads just for the purpose of bumping them.

Are you that terrifiied about this issue? Is crying about what I post the best you can do? If you have nothing to post about this subject other than crying you have no business here.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

I didn't "bump" anything, I posted a new article and a new audio interview related to this subject.

Why are you being a major hypocrite about this? I've seen you bump threads just for the purpose of bumping them.

Are you that terrifiied about this issue? Is crying about what I post the best you can do? If you have nothing to post about this subject other than crying you have no business here.

The OP is "Those pesky 28 redacted pages sure have those who have read them fired up. There must be some kind of Saudi whopper in them that Bush asked the 9/11 Commission to cover up."

OK.

And?

By now everyone knows there are 28 redacted pages that may or may not discuss Saudis....

And?

I not not "terrified" about this issue. Quit the childishness.

And "crying"? No, not that either.

I would for one like the pages released. If only to show that they DO NOT support your fantasies.

 

[Bob0627]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

I would for one like the pages released. If only to show that they DO NOT support your fantasies.

So let me get this straight, you're more interested in having the 28 pages released for the purposes of this forum and to show me something than for any other reason. Why don't you just say you have zero interest in 9/11 other to spew your contrarian opinion in discussion forums because that's all you seem to exhibit daily? (that's rhetorical, don't bother). In any case I don't care about your problems, I'm not here to discuss your personal issues, I started this thread for the purpose of discussing the redacted 28 pages and more importantly, the underlying criminal coverup of 9/11 by the US government. I will continue to post any new information on this issue as I find any. If you're not interested in that and want to continue discussing me, your posts will be ignored as most of them are already being ignored.

BTW, the criminal coverup of 9/11 is not fantasy, it is a REALITY.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

So let me get this straight, you're more interested in having the 28 pages released for the purposes of this forum and to show me something than for any other reason. Why don't you just say you have zero interest in 9/11 other to spew your contrarian opinion in discussion forums because that's all you seem to exhibit daily? (that's rhetorical, don't bother). In any case I don't care about your problems, I'm not here to discuss your personal issues, I started this thread for the purpose of discussing the redacted 28 pages and more importantly, the underlying criminal coverup of 9/11 by the US government. I will continue to post any new information on this issue as I find any. If you're not interested in that and want to continue discussing me, your posts will be ignored as most of them are already being ignored.

BTW, the criminal coverup of 9/11 is not fantasy, it is a REALITY.

You in particular, TRUTHERS in general....

You still not have explained how the 28 pages will fit into your particular reality.

And "criminal coverup of 9/11"? Can you explain the CRIMINAL part?

 

[Bob0627]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

You still not have explained how the 28 pages will fit into your particular reality

I don't have a "particular reality", do you? The redacted 28 pages are real and the fact that they're redacted serves to cover up the Saudi financing of 9/11. That's all real because that comes from someone who has read them and is in a position to know says that classifying them has no basis as it has nothing to do with national security and covers up of the Saudi financing of 9/11. Perhaps you should be questioning Bob Graham's reality as well as your own, not mine, I didn't invent any of this.

And "criminal coverup of 9/11"? Can you explain the CRIMINAL part?

Already done, see post #199 in this thread. Additionally, the coverup of a crime is also a crime, that would make it criminal.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

I don't have a "particular reality", do you? The redacted 28 pages are real and the fact that they're redacted serves to cover up the Saudi financing of 9/11. That's all real because that comes from someone who has read them and is in a position to know says that classifying them has no basis as it has nothing to do with national security and covers up of the Saudi financing of 9/11. Perhaps you should be questioning Bob Graham's reality as well as your own, not mine, I didn't invent any of this.

And the redacted pages can have ZERO effect on the 9/11 Commission Report, the White House, Bush, etc.

YOU DONT KNOW.

And the funding could have come from NON governmental folks...

YOU DONT KNOW.

And the "coverup" which isnt covered up to plenty can be NON-CRIMINAL

Already done, see post #199 in this thread. Additionally, the coverup of a crime is also a crime, that would make it criminal.[/QUOTE]

 

[ozeco41]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Has anyone raised the obvious question?

In order to "re-think" something you must have thought about it previously.

Could that pre-requisite be a problem for some members?

 

[Bob0627]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

And the redacted pages can have ZERO effect on the 9/11 Commission Report, the White House, Bush, etc.

YOU DONT KNOW.

No I do know because so far it does have zero effect on all the above. Criminals protect criminals.

And the funding could have come from NON governmental folks...

YOU DONT KNOW.

Maybe you don't know but I do know based on what Bob Graham says. The article clearly says:

Senator Bob Graham has been saying for years to anybody that would listen that the government of Saudi Arabia and members of the Saudi Royal Family were co-conspirators of the September 1, 2001 attacks on the United States of America. He has not just implied it. He has said so in these words:

"Saudi Arabia was essentially a co-conspirator in 9/11".

Article: Retired Senator Bob Graham Slams the White House Over Non-Release of 28 Redacted Pages of 9-11 Report. | OpEdNews

Unlike you whose irrelevant opinion is just knee jerk denial, Graham is in a position to know. Of course you may be partially right in that the funding could have come from "non governmental folks" IN ADDITION TO the Saudi government. Perhaps the declassification of those 28 pages and an investigation based on what those pages reveal might uncover exactly who some of these complicit creatures were. It's why those who really care about 9/11 (as opposed to those who are only interested in posting contrarian opinions in discussion forums and have zero interest in 9/11) demand the declassification of those 28 pages. That includes most of the 9/11 families.

And the "coverup" which isnt covered up to plenty can be NON-CRIMINAL

How is it not covered up when it is deliberately redacted (i.e. covered up)? How is it not covered up when the person who is in a position to know says it's a coverup? How is it not covered up when only a very select few people have read it and are authorized to read it as opposed to your "plenty" characterization? Even those who have read it are prohibited from disclosing the contents under threat of jail. One Congressman (Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Orlando) was even denied access (see link). What is "plenty" to you when over 200 million Americans are barred from reading those 28 pages, as well as reviewing thousands of other pieces of evidence and documents, many of which have been denied FOIA access multiple times?

Florida congressman denied access to censored pages from Congress’ 9/11 report | Florida Bulldog

And under what circumstance can it be non-criminal when there is a deliberate coverup of a foreign government's complicity in 9/11? What is not criminal about that?

 

[Bob0627]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Has anyone raised the obvious question?

In order to "re-think" something you must have thought about it previously.

Could that pre-requisite be a problem for some members?

Is that an admission on your part that it might be a problem for you?

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

No I do know because so far it does have zero effect on all the above. Criminals protect criminals.

Criminals.... What have they been convicted of?

Maybe you don't know but I do know based on what Bob Graham says. The article clearly says:

Senator Bob Graham has been saying for years to anybody that would listen that the government of Saudi Arabia and members of the Saudi Royal Family were co-conspirators of the September 1, 2001 attacks on the United States of America. He has not just implied it. He has said so in these words:

"Saudi Arabia was essentially a co-conspirator in 9/11".

Article: Retired Senator Bob Graham Slams the White House Over Non-Release of 28 Redacted Pages of 9-11 Report. | OpEdNews

Unlike you whose irrelevant opinion is just knee jerk denial, Graham is in a position to know. Of course you may be partially right in that the funding could have come from "non governmental folks" IN ADDITION TO the Saudi government. Perhaps the declassification of those 28 pages and an investigation based on what those pages reveal might uncover exactly who some of these complicit creatures were. It's why those who really care about 9/11 (as opposed to those who are only interested in posting contrarian opinions in discussion forums and have zero interest in 9/11) demand the declassification of those 28 pages. That includes most of the 9/11 families.

He said "the government of Saudi Arabia and members of the Saudi Royal Family were co-conspirators of the September 1, 2001 attacks on the United States of America"?

Really?

Show me.

How is it not covered up when it is deliberately redacted (i.e. covered up)? How is it not covered up when the person who is in a position to know says it's a coverup? How is it not covered up when only a very select few people have read it and are authorized to read it as opposed to your "plenty" characterization? Even those who have read it are prohibited from disclosing the contents under threat of jail. One Congressman (Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Orlando) was even denied access (see link). What is "plenty" to you when over 200 million Americans are barred from reading those 28 pages, as well as reviewing thousands of other pieces of evidence and documents, many of which have been denied FOIA access multiple times?

Florida congressman denied access to censored pages from Congress’ 9/11 report | Florida Bulldog

And under what circumstance can it be non-criminal when there is a deliberate coverup of a foreign government's complicity in 9/11? What is not criminal about that?

Criminal...

You keep using that word...

I suggest you have no clue as to whether any criminality exists...

BTW - I Sen. Graham knows there is a criminal act and he has not reported it... Guess what.

 

[Bob0627]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Criminals.... What have they been convicted of?

Criminals commit crimes before being convicted or in some cases even if they're never convicted of committing crimes.

He said "the government of Saudi Arabia and members of the Saudi Royal Family were co-conspirators of the September 1, 2001 attacks on the United States of America"?

Really?

Show me.

I did.

Criminal...

You keep using that word...

When appropriate, are you afraid of that word?

I suggest you have no clue as to whether any criminality exists...

You can suggest anything you like, it means nothing to me, especially coming from you.

BTW - I Sen. Graham knows there is a criminal act and he has not reported it...

He did, it was redacted by Bush, the person he reported it to as well as others in positions of power, remember? He also verbalized it publicly multiple times. Go back and re-read the thread so maybe you can figure out what it's all about.

Guess what.

I don't play guessing games.

Do you have anything substantive and relevant to discuss on this subject besides just being contrary and in denial? If not, I'll just skip responding to your irrelevant nonsense following this post.

 

[ozeco41]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Is that an admission on your part that it might be a problem for you?

Recognition rather than admission. We all have limitations on both knowledge and thinking skills. The limits vary from topic to topic.

Throughout my career in the real world I often met people who know more about topics than I did. They are the people I would listen to - you can determine within reasonable risk boundaries whether they are telling the truth or not. Even if the topic is unfamiliar the form and logic of reasoned presentation is the same. Accept or take note and reserve judgement awaiting confirmation. No problem.

The physics of 9/11 - WTC collapses is centre in my range of expertise - application of basics doesn't change despite the WTC 9/11 details. The political/behavioural aspects of 9/11 are largely US specific at detail level. Not my turf. BUT the nonsense arguments raised in those areas are the same nonsense processes seen elsewhere. Nothing new.

So I'm comfortable in forum discussion of WTC collapse physics up into the hard bits that no one wants to discuss on ANY forum. So a grade or two higher than is acceptable here. And - not relevant here - I'm good enough on evolutionary biology. I served my apprenticeship as senior moderator on an Atheist forum supported by some top level biological brains.

So I'm not likely to meet anything of concern on this forum with the strong agenda by several members to ensure no serious discussion. And for mental relief I post on three other forums which are not afflicted by the drive for sub mediocrity. I've posted a few bits of somewhat higher level serious physics of 9/11 material here on DP from time to time. No interest from either side. So be it. If I put the grading numbers on it most discussion here is Grade 2. The technical bits I posted were targeted for High School student level of understanding - Grade 3

What does get discussed is relatively simple. The only member posting anything of physics from "truther side" and which needs brain in gear - believe it or not - is Koko with his parodies of physics applied to the WTC collapses. He is better than most people realise. Goes without saying - if you want to parody anything you have to understand at least at the level of your parody. His parodies high end Grade 3. Good enough to fool Grade 1 or Grade 2 thinkers.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Criminals commit crimes before being convicted or in some cases even if they're never convicted of committing crimes.

So, no one convicted... Merely ACCUSATIONS.

I did.

No, you didn't... It was a statement made by someone OTHER THAN the Senator. I asked if those were the SENATORS words.

When appropriate, are you afraid of that word?

When not appropriate it is libel. Why do TRUTHERS find libel acceptable?

You can suggest anything you like, it means nothing to me, especially coming from you.

Fair enough. You are not one to take suggestions no matter how logical.

He did, it was redacted by Bush, the person he reported it to as well as others in positions of power, remember? He also verbalized it publicly multiple times. Go back and re-read the thread so maybe you can figure out what it's all about.

He reported it to WHO? The CRIMINAL ACT, not the information in the 28 pages...

I don't play guessing games.

Of course you do. Constantly.

Do you have anything substantive and relevant to discuss on this subject besides just being contrary and in denial? If not, I'll just skip responding to your irrelevant nonsense following this post.

Aw, don't run away because I point out you have little understanding of what the redacted pages contain....

We can't actually discuss the content of the redacted pages since you don't play guessing games.

 

[Bob0627]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Recognition rather than admission. We all have limitations on both knowledge and thinking skills. The limits vary from topic to topic. etc.

Thanks for all that but I was merely responding sarcastically to your sarcastic post. In any case, the title of this thread is a quote from Massie, copied from the initial article. So they're his words not mine and you would need to take up your concerns with his wording with him. Like I said, I'm more interested in a discussion about those redacted pages and more so about the underlying coverup of 9/11 by the last 2 administrations, not Massie's wording. It also obviously means that all these discussion about 9/11 are based on a story where much of the detail is missing, unknown, unclear, unsupported and therefore totally unreliable.

 

[ozeco41]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

Thanks for all that but I was merely responding sarcastically to your sarcastic post.

Your sarcasm - I merely raised the obvious pre-requisite question. Surprised that no one had picked it.

In any case, the title of this thread is a quote from Massie, copied from the initial article. So they're his words not mine and you would need to take up your concerns with his wording with him. Like I said, I'm more interested in a discussion about those redacted pages and more so about the underlying coverup of 9/11 by the last 2 administrations, not Massie's wording. It also obviously means that all these discussion about 9/11 are based on a story where much of the detail is missing, unknown, unclear, unsupported and therefore totally unreliable.

I'm familiar with your range of preferred debating tricks. YOU posted the OP - not Massie. (Unless you are Massie??)

 

[Bob0627]

Re: Rep. Massie on 9/11 Documents: “It challenges you to re-think everything”

I'm familiar with your range of preferred debating tricks.

Right it was a debating "trick". I started this thread to trick people and you found me out. Good catch, the gig is up. Simply amazing.