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Religious people try to force god onto children in school

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There has been a push to have public schools display "In God We Trust". In 4 states, displaying this is mandatory, and in 2 states, optional. Public schools in 6 states allow 'In God We Trust' motto | On Air Videos | Fox News

I see this as a violation of separation of church and state, especially given that atheist children are forced to go to school. Even in this video, the woman admits this is an expression of religious liberty. I'm hoping that this eventually backfires, and instead of the national motto acting as a loophole to violate church and state, one day courts will decide that the national motto itself is a violation of church and state given how it is being used. I think it's a possibility, but I doubt that change happens anytime soon. We'll see. It's not like the biggest deal in the world at least.
 
There has been a push to have public schools display "In God We Trust". In 4 states, displaying this is mandatory, and in 2 states, optional. Public schools in 6 states allow 'In God We Trust' motto | On Air Videos | Fox News

I see this as a violation of separation of church and state, especially given that atheist children are forced to go to school. Even in this video, the woman admits this is an expression of religious liberty. I'm hoping that this eventually backfires, and instead of the national motto acting as a loophole to violate church and state, one day courts will decide that the national motto itself is a violation of church and state given how it is being used. I think it's a possibility, but I doubt that change happens anytime soon. We'll see. It's not like the biggest deal in the world at least.

im gonna go with that its not

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Obviously the courts have ruled that it's not. I thought I made that obvious in my post, but apparently for you, it wasn't. However, when one uses this motto, which is religious in nature, and then tries to push it onto other people, including children where they are legally forced to go and are punished for not going, then hopefully the courts will reconsider the decision about allowing the religious motto. I mean, I don't trust God as no atheist does, so how does it even make sense for that to be our national motto? It doesn't.
 
There has been a push to have public schools display "In God We Trust". In 4 states, displaying this is mandatory, and in 2 states, optional. Public schools in 6 states allow 'In God We Trust' motto | On Air Videos | Fox News

I see this as a violation of separation of church and state, especially given that atheist children are forced to go to school. Even in this video, the woman admits this is an expression of religious liberty. I'm hoping that this eventually backfires, and instead of the national motto acting as a loophole to violate church and state, one day courts will decide that the national motto itself is a violation of church and state given how it is being used. I think it's a possibility, but I doubt that change happens anytime soon. We'll see. It's not like the biggest deal in the world at least.

Geeze Louise! Liberals want to completely sanitize society from any and all references to God, and forcibly relegate Christians underground, just like in China and other Communist sh*tholes.
 
Geeze Louise! Liberals want to completely sanitize society from any and all references to God, and forcibly relegate Christians underground, just like in China and other Communist sh*tholes.

Just the government. Why should our government/public schools be referencing a belief or "trust" in God?
 
Just the government. Why should our government/public schools be referencing a belief or "trust" in God?

Because the US was founded under Judeo-Christian principles. And we should honor the One who created us in all facets of life. Not just at home and church.
 
Because the US was founded under Judeo-Christian principles. And we should honor the One who created us in all facets of life. Not just at home and church.

Freedom of religion is a Judeo-Christian principle?
 
Freedom to worship the Sovereign God of Creation without interference from government. Nowhere does it say people of faith are to park it at the doors of the public square.

So you don't think I should have a freedom to not worship then, right? That's not a Judeo-Christian value, as you just made clear, and you want to force me to go to government buildings that you litter with messages about believing in God. Not only that, you want to do that to my children. This while you know my children are forced to go to schools or be punished. Ironic that you are trying to tell me to go to Communist China for wanting to be free of that oppression.
 
So you don't think I should have a freedom to not worship then, right? That's not a Judeo-Christian value, as you just made clear, and you want to force me to go to government buildings that you litter with messages about believing in God. Not only that, you want to do that to my children. This while you know my children are forced to go to schools or be punished. Ironic that you are trying to tell me to go to Communist China for wanting to be free of that oppression.

the reason why America is in deep trouble is the lack of Biblical teaching.
 
the reason why America is in deep trouble is the lack of Biblical teaching.

This isn't freedom at all. You want to force your religion onto others. You call forcing your religion onto others "freedom", but you are just a liar. Private schools are allowed to teach the Bible. Public schools and government buildings not having pro-God messages doesn't prevent you from believing in your religion. Heck, you don't even want to allow for other religions, especially polytheistic religions. I'd like to remind you that lying is sinning, so you should go ask for forgiveness after pretending you were fighting for religious freedoms, when in reality you were just trying to oppress others into being forced to hear your religious messaging.
 
This isn't freedom at all. You want to force your religion onto others. You call forcing your religion onto others "freedom", but you are just a liar. Private schools are allowed to teach the Bible. Public schools and government buildings not having pro-God messages doesn't prevent you from believing in your religion. Heck, you don't even want to allow for other religions, especially polytheistic religions. I'd like to remind you that lying is sinning, so you should go ask for forgiveness after pretending you were fighting for religious freedoms, when in reality you were just trying to oppress others into being forced to hear your religious messaging.

An atheist telling people their own religion and how to worship, love it
 
Dogmatically specific religious instruction or worship in schools doesn't bother me much, but forced acquiescence to and/or participation (active or passive) in any specific theological rite of not one's preference does bother me.

For instance:
My alma mater is an Episcopal school, and in my day there, each day began with prayers and reflection and Sunday chapel was required. All worship was, of course, Episcopalian. The school is still Episcopal and it continues to emphasize the need for spirituality. Chapel remains a required activity; however, in recognition of the religious diversity of the student body these days, the school offers Chapel services, once purely Episcopalian, in accordance with one's chosen catechism, be it Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, some other tradition. (The same approach exists at the other sectarian "St. Grottlesex" schools.")

Atheists and agnostics have to "get over it," or sample the offerings -- actually, any student can do that; the requirement is to attend chapel, not to attend the chapel associated with one's declared faith -- or attend a school that doesn't require students to participate in some sort of faith-based services. The school's position is that it doesn't matter what god or gods one worships, so long as one take the time to actually develop spiritually.

I'm okay with that because based on my own review of the key tenets of most major religions, it seems to me that there aren't really any "bad religions." There are only bad people who ascribe to and promote repugnant interpretations and applications of religious dogma.

I think public schools can find a way of having a "religious moment" each morning. For example (the times are just for illustrative purposes):
  1. 7:00 a.m. --> Students report to their designated worship location
    • Gym: Whatever faith has the largest representation in the school reports here, solely because of space considerations
    • Library --> Adherents to some other faith or non-faith
    • Teacher's lounge --> Adherents to yet another faith/non-faith
    • Room 312 --> Adherents to some other faith/non-faith report here
    • Room 222 --> Yet another group does its thing here
    • Room ......
    • Birdbath in the courtyard --> Animists of some stripe can gather here to worship the bluejays or something
  2. 7:05 --> Room doors lock. Late students earn demerits and are then admitted.
  3. 7:06 --> Worship (or "whatever" non-religious discourse, maybe ethics or something, if it's the "atheist" room) session commences
  4. 7:30 -7:45 --> Worship concludes. Teachers and students arrive in their respective homerooms by 7:45. From there the school day can take on roughly the same schedule as usual.
    • Since Muslims pray at midday, lunch "period" can be lengthened for all students -- an hour and a half like many a business lunch seems enough -- and that would allow Muslim kids to get in their Zuhr prayers and still have time for lunch.
    • A mid-afternoon "break" period could be established. Most kids would likely do "whatever;" however, Muslims would use that time for Asr prayers.
  5. "Sometime after the mid-afternoon break" --> Scholastic day ends and kids do whatever day-hop students do -- athletics, clubs, drama, rehearsal, make out behind the bleachers, engage in youthful mischief and mayhem, go home, etc. -- once classes are done.
Some sort of structured schedule such as the above would be okay with me. Kids and teachers do their worshiping and nobody is made to sit through a worship moment that doesn't sit well with them.

If school systems are of a mind to offer worship services of some sort, so long as they offer services appropriate to all, includes everyone and leaves out nobody, there is surely a way to do so. All it takes is a little thought and the will to make it happen.
 
So you don't think I should have a freedom to not worship then, right? That's not a Judeo-Christian value, as you just made clear, and you want to force me to go to government buildings that you litter with messages about believing in God. Not only that, you want to do that to my children. This while you know my children are forced to go to schools or be punished. Ironic that you are trying to tell me to go to Communist China for wanting to be free of that oppression.

You seeing words you dont agree with is oppression? Wow.
 
You seeing words you dont agree with is oppression? Wow.

Forcing me (as a child) or my children to go to school, then putting pro-religious statements on those schools, and representing me by saying I believe or "trust" in God when I don't is oppression. It's a minor deal, but it's certainly oppression. What would you call it if you or your children were forced to go to school and then that school claimed you believed in a religion like Islam, Greek polytheism, etc.?
 
Forcing me (as a child) or my children to go to school, then putting pro-religious statements on those schools, and representing me by saying I believe or "trust" in God when I don't is oppression. It's a minor deal, but it's certainly oppression. What would you call it if you or your children were forced to go to school and then that school claimed you believed in a religion like Islam, Greek polytheism, etc.?

Pretty sure I learned about Greek and Roman gods in school and didnt feel oppressed in the least
 
There has been a push to have public schools display "In God We Trust". In 4 states, displaying this is mandatory, and in 2 states, optional. Public schools in 6 states allow 'In God We Trust' motto | On Air Videos | Fox News

I see this as a violation of separation of church and state, especially given that atheist children are forced to go to school. Even in this video, the woman admits this is an expression of religious liberty. I'm hoping that this eventually backfires, and instead of the national motto acting as a loophole to violate church and state, one day courts will decide that the national motto itself is a violation of church and state given how it is being used. I think it's a possibility, but I doubt that change happens anytime soon. We'll see. It's not like the biggest deal in the world at least.

Don't forget to say Merry Christmas.
 
Geeze Louise! Liberals want to completely sanitize society from any and all references to God, and forcibly relegate Christians underground, just like in China and other Communist sh*tholes.

No you lie.

The separation of church and state is what is being discussed here.

I understand that for those who value following the herd above honesty this can be difficult to get but it is a simple idea at heart.
 
Pretty sure I learned about Greek and Roman gods in school and didnt feel oppressed in the least

Learning about them is quite different than the government saying you believe in them.
 
There has been a push to have public schools display "In God We Trust". In 4 states, displaying this is mandatory, and in 2 states, optional. Public schools in 6 states allow 'In God We Trust' motto | On Air Videos | Fox News

I see this as a violation of separation of church and state, especially given that atheist children are forced to go to school. Even in this video, the woman admits this is an expression of religious liberty. I'm hoping that this eventually backfires, and instead of the national motto acting as a loophole to violate church and state, one day courts will decide that the national motto itself is a violation of church and state given how it is being used. I think it's a possibility, but I doubt that change happens anytime soon. We'll see. It's not like the biggest deal in the world at least.

It's the national motto. It's on every goveenment building and on our currency. Why are you upset?
 
Forcing me (as a child) or my children to go to school, then putting pro-religious statements on those schools, and representing me by saying I believe or "trust" in God when I don't is oppression. It's a minor deal, but it's certainly oppression. What would you call it if you or your children were forced to go to school and then that school claimed you believed in a religion like Islam, Greek polytheism, etc.?

I would call it what it is. A motto you dont agree with. The motto expresses no respect towards any establishment of religion.
 
Because the US was founded under Judeo-Christian principles. And we should honor the One who created us in all facets of life. Not just at home and church.

I love how Christians try to sound a bit more inclusive by saying Judeo-Christian. But when you start calling them on the horrible principles found in the Old Testament they say that doesn't count anymore. So I wish they would at least be honest and drop the "Judeo" part.
 
Just because you dont understand, doesnt mean anyone is being dishonest.
 
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