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Relatives demand execution of US soldier

Laila

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"Is this verdict a surprise to us? No. The goal has always been to save our client's life. And, now we're going to go to the most important phase, which is the sentencing phase and we're going to accomplish that goal."

Relatives of murdered Iraqi girl demand execution of US soldier - Middle East, World - The Independent

I'm slightly confused as to why they are not getting the death sentence :/
Well, i think the soldiers should be handed to the relatives and face Iraqi justice not US justice since it doesn't seem to be matching the crime committed imo. Insane my ass, what BS.
 
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If not insanity, then what do you think would make someone do what he did? War is hell to begin with. Sending someone with mental issues into a war is asking for trouble. I don't believe that the "personality disorder" he was discharged for wasn't already there from the outset.

Anyway, he's probably going to get life, just like the others. Lock him up and throw away the key. Why kill him? It's not going to bring anyone back.
 
Green committed these crimes (guilty on all 17 counts) while a soldier in Iraq. Normally, he would be tried in a military Courts Martial under the US Military Code of Justice. The maximum penalty would be death. However, no convicted US soldier has been executed since 1961.

Since Green left the military before charges were filed, he has been tried in a civilian court under the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act. Congress passed the law in 2000 to allow U.S. civilian authorities to prosecute former military personnel for crimes committed overseas.

The maximum penalty here is still death, but I doubt this will occur. Green allegedly has mental issues and his co-defendants previously tried by the military all received jail sentences. Green will probably receive a life sentence, but he could be released after serving ten years.

Personally, I wish all of them had been extradited to Iraq and tried there.
 
I agree with the relatives.
 

People can just be evil.

I find it absurd to use war as an excuse. Thousands of soldiers face the same things he does and they don't go off and gangrape and kill a 14 year old do they?

Its justice for the relatives. If they want the life taken, give it to them.
 

In an abortion-related thread, you seemed to be arguing against the death penalty. At least, you seemed to support the claim that prolife and proDP were incompatible. Please clarify this inconsistency, while understanding that "prolife" means pro-innocent-life.

G.
 
It's hard to find justice in war... but I hope this family feels some sort of resolution when it's all over.
 

To me, a foetus is not seen as a life and as such it is not seen as a contradiction to me.
Until it hits viable age, i don't care about a foetus.
 
People can just be evil.

I guess. But isn't the propensity to be "just evil" equal to having a mental disorder? It's obviously not the norm.

I find it absurd to use war as an excuse. Thousands of soldiers face the same things he does and they don't go off and gangrape and kill a 14 year old do they?

I didn't say that war was the reason or the excuse. I just doubt very much that his condition was not already present when he first enrolled in the army, that's all.

Its justice for the relatives. If they want the life taken, give it to them

I don't believe in executing anyone, let alone mental patients. Revenge is not a good enough reason to let the state legally murder someone.
 
I agree. This should never have been tried in a US court. This was an Iraqi crime and should have been tried under Iraqi law.
 
I agree. This should never have been tried in a US court. This was an Iraqi crime and should have been tried under Iraqi law.

They should have hung this scum right next to Saddam.
 
I agree. This should never have been tried in a US court. This was an Iraqi crime and should have been tried under Iraqi law.

That's what I thought too when I read this. Why wasn't he tried in the country where the crime occurred and under their laws?
 
That's what I thought too when I read this. Why wasn't he tried in the country where the crime occurred and under their laws?

He is still an American. Yes he broke the law in another country. But to hand him over to an occupied country is not going to bolster our image in any way. He should either get death here or (worse imo) life in a military prison. Hard labor. Combat soldiers are usually mentally prepared for death, and somewhat desensitized to it. I think life in a military prison would be a far worse fate than death.
 
They should have hung this scum right next to Saddam.

As a non proponent of the death penalty, he should get no special treatment above what a local would get. If anything, he should be punished more harshly. He swore an oath to a code. Im sure we can both agree that should mean something.
 

It was a criminal act. A soldier in berlin or japan should be treated like a criminal. Tourists are American citizens too. U wana keep them out of foreign prisons if they rape and pillage? What about foreigners in the U.S.?

your punishments sound harsh enough, but it should be the local country dishing out the justice in this case (unless its something absurd, like sacraficing his first born son). Unles of course the Iraqis can be convinced to let the U.S. do the punishing.
 
There is much more to this sad story. This Green kid had known mental problems. Why was he still in a battle unit? I have to wonder why they allowed liquor/beer on post. They could be called at any time to go back into combat. I certainly wouldn't want a drunk next to me, or behind me, firing live rounds.

This is indicative of how our soldiers' mental states of health were not adequately monitored. Sure, war is hell but, this isn't the 1940's. We have the ability to better monitor how soldiers are reacting to what the war was doing to them. Because of this green fellow and his buddy, who is the one who wanted to rape that poor 14 year old Iraqi girl, not only was that entire innocent family brutally murdered but, two US soldiers, not involved in this crime, were tortured and beheaded and displayed in a video.

This is yet another indictment of how Bush's war was not intelligently managed.

Yet more fallout from that illegal war of choice.

Sad. Very sad.
 




Wait, so out of all the soldiers your side has gone after, including the innocent Marines at Haditha. This is the one you want to protect?


:shock:
 
Wait, so out of all the soldiers your side has gone after, including the innocent Marines at Haditha. This is the one you want to protect?

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd where did I say I wanted to protect any of those guys? :roll:
 
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd where did I say I wanted to protect any of those guys? :roll:




You don't that's the point. Those Marines were besmirched and attacked by your side. They were acquitted, found "innocent", and you bash them.


But you want to defend a rapist and a murderer so you can attack bush once again? pathetic.
 
Ok, one more time... where did I say I "want to defend a rapist and a murderer"?




You were making excuses for him in post #18 and using said excuses to attack Bush, the war, and the military.


You were defending him in an effort to attack windmills.
 
You were making excuses for him in post #18 and using said excuses to attack Bush, the war, and the military.


You were defending him in an effort to attack windmills.

Maybe you should go back and read the very first sentence in my first post. You're so eager to attack me you either missed the point of my post or you simply are unable to understand what you read. Either way, this is typical of your posts.
 
Maybe you should go back and read the very first sentence in my first post. You're so eager to attack me you either missed the point of my post or you simply are unable to understand what you read. Either way, this is typical of your posts.




Then by all means, explain why you were making excuses for this savage.
 
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