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Real talk on solutions to mass shooting

So basically the response to someone using a right is to react in fear. A lawful exercise where nobody is in danger or doing anything to harm others. Kinda reminds of the freak out about homosexuals in a bizzare way.

At any rate...it is shocking to me that armed people are allowed in a government building. Well not people paid to protect government the all important officials amyeauZ

Ask the people who fled Lansing that day in buses that could not get out of town fast enough.

The extreme tone deafness of the people that did this and continue to do this astounds me. you do NOT always do what you can do. Sometimes you just exercise common sense and don't do it cause it looks bad and hurts your cause in the long run.
 
Let's real talk a solution.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0015247/#!po=2.41935

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-forensic-files/201404/seven-myths-mass-murder

This a healthcare crisis. Not a gun control one. Anyone who says otherwise...is misinformed. A MINIMUM of 45,000,000 people own guns (and that is the lowest end estimate). There aren't millions of shooters out there. Almost nobody has the issue of going out and killing a fellow human in mass or even 1. Why? Most people aren't messed up. What we do have problems with though? That involves millions? Personality disorders.

80-85% of the prison population have them.
Suicidal people
Drug addicts
People who self harm
Serial killers
Rapists
Abusers

All have been shown to have issues in this department. And a fun fact? We have improved access in the past decade...but it still is very lacking. Big issues include coverage and quality of care as well as awareness of coverage. And access to coverage beyond limited visits.
 
These people aren't interested in actual solutions, or specifics. They are simply carrying out their marching orders, and disseminating their issued talking points. Is it mere coincidence they all use the exact same phrases? I think not.

Exactly... the main stream media is complete proof of this. And you can tell who listens to, and believes, the MSM because those people parrot out the same phrases word for word and are unwilling to have a deeper discussion beyond those phrases.

An example relating to the gun control debate is when people incorrectly use the term "assault rifles" when talking about AR-15's simply because they heard the MSM call AR-15's "assault rifles"... The MSM (or it's followers) don't bother to put in the effort to become educated about guns before going on a tirade about them.

Another example is when the MSM talks about "silencers" (meaning suppressors) and that suppressors can somehow make a gun completely silent (because they saw it in a movie?), or that if a hunter wishes to protect their hearing, they can just use earmuffs instead (but protecting their hearing is not the only reason they use a suppressor).
 
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Ask the people who fled Lansing that day in buses that could not get out of town fast enough.

The extreme tone deafness of the people that did this and continue to do this astounds me. you do NOT always do what you can do. Sometimes you just exercise common sense and don't do it cause it looks bad and hurts your cause in the long run.

I don't care about the people fleeing. The beauty of America is that you have a right to your opinions...but you don't have a right to stop others from having them. Reminds me of that old adage about religion. I will adjust it to make sense.

You have the freedom of religion (or no religion). Not the freedom FROM religion (or no religion).

;)
 
Let's real talk a solution.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0015247/#!po=2.41935

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-forensic-files/201404/seven-myths-mass-murder

This a healthcare crisis. Not a gun control one. Anyone who says otherwise...is misinformed. A MINIMUM of 45,000,000 people own guns (and that is the lowest end estimate). There aren't millions of shooters out there. Almost nobody has the issue of going out and killing a fellow human in mass or even 1. Why? Most people aren't messed up. What we do have problems with though? That involves millions? Personality disorders.

80-85% of the prison population have them.
Suicidal people
Drug addicts
People who self harm
Serial killers
Rapists
Abusers

All have been shown to have issues in this department. And a fun fact? We have improved access in the past decade...but it still is very lacking. Big issues include coverage and quality of care as well as awareness of coverage. And access to coverage beyond limited visits.

The solution does not have to be an either or. It should be both
 
I don't care about the people fleeing. The beauty of America is that you have a right to your opinions...but you don't have a right to stop others from having them. Reminds me of that old adage about religion. I will adjust it to make sense.

You have the freedom of religion (or no religion). Not the freedom FROM religion (or no religion).

;)

The extreme tone deafness of the people that did this and continue to do this astounds me. you do NOT always do what you can do. Sometimes you just exercise common sense and don't do it cause it looks bad and hurts your cause in the long run.
 
The solution does not have to be an either or. It should be both

It wont be both. Those who want to declare gun control as the response to this will never address the topic of mental health. Mental disorders. It doesn't matter that the worst attack on Americans committed by an individual was with a bomb. Not a gun. You think they will have enough regulations to stop the proliferation of gasoline, fertilizer, and propane? Not a chance in hell.

So tell me...can you tell me off the top of your head what is being done to deal with personality disorders or research into this topic when it comes to the desire to kill as many people as possible? I'm betting...like 99% of people...you can't. And as I have said before...that isn't on you. You don't get bombarded with our abysmal failure into handling that issue. Do you understand why? Because it is too easy to blame something else. It is hard to understand we have a people problem. That is scary.

1) We have a prison population. Blame the prison industrial complex. Not the 80-85% of prisoners with anti social personality disorders that can't seem to keep it together.

2) We have a drug problem. Blame our prohibition for making profits big. Not the fact that we have insanely high addiction rates and absolutely ****ty policies when dealing with addictions. Not the people who want to use in the first place.?

3) Alcoholism is rampant and legal. We understand that we should treat that mentally...but hasn't been until recently that we understood the importance of coverage for that.

4) We have high suicide rates. We blame guns instead of the issues that a person has that makes them want to commit suicide.

You think that murder or mass murder is caused by guns? Are you kidding? We have had those around for a long time. With or without guns. It hasn't been until recent times that we have even remotely scratched the surface for treatment. And we are desperate to do so. Honestly. Do you realize the majority of these shooters are known? Be it to police or to someone...when it comes there lack of stability. They have warning signs. People don't snap. So why are these people able to get past brink without quality long term treatment?
 
The extreme tone deafness of the people that did this and continue to do this astounds me. you do NOT always do what you can do. Sometimes you just exercise common sense and don't do it cause it looks bad and hurts your cause in the long run.

Who cares? Their right to be tone deaf. As things the gun control crowd say and do aren't tone deaf. Like Nancy Sinatra calling for the death of NRA members.
 
Not many. I'll be perfectly honest there. I was hoping to hear some. This thread and its lack of constructive suggestions to combat future mass shootings is leaving me disappointed. Maybe there's something we can come up with? I mean, I'm not suggesting that we must get the number down to zero. But at least we can do something. Right?

Post #24 was a good idea. I think you missed it.
 
It wont be both. Those who want to declare gun control as the response to this will never address the topic of mental health. Mental disorders. It doesn't matter that the worst attack on Americans committed by an individual was with a bomb. Not a gun. You think they will have enough regulations to stop the proliferation of gasoline, fertilizer, and propane? Not a chance in hell.

So tell me...can you tell me off the top of your head what is being done to deal with personality disorders or research into this topic when it comes to the desire to kill as many people as possible? I'm betting...like 99% of people...you can't. And as I have said before...that isn't on you. You don't get bombarded with our abysmal failure into handling that issue. Do you understand why? Because it is too easy to blame something else. It is hard to understand we have a people problem. That is scary.

1) We have a prison population. Blame the prison industrial complex. Not the 80-85% of prisoners with anti social personality disorders that can't seem to keep it together.

2) We have a drug problem. Blame our prohibition for making profits big. Not the fact that we have insanely high addiction rates and absolutely ****ty policies when dealing with addictions. Not the people who want to use in the first place.?

3) Alcoholism is rampant and legal. We understand that we should treat that mentally...but hasn't been until recently that we understood the importance of coverage for that.

4) We have high suicide rates. We blame guns instead of the issues that a person has that makes them want to commit suicide.

You think that murder or mass murder is caused by guns? Are you kidding? We have had those around for a long time. With or without guns. It hasn't been until recent times that we have even remotely scratched the surface for treatment. And we are desperate to do so. Honestly. Do you realize the majority of these shooters are known? Be it to police or to someone...when it comes there lack of stability. They have warning signs. People don't snap. So why are these people able to get past brink without quality long term treatment?

I am a mental health professional versed in several EBP’s such as DBT which can be used to treat personality disorders. There is no evidence the Las Vegas killer has a personality disorder. In general efficacy for treatment of personality disorders is low mostly because most people who have them deny they have any problem at all. I am all about support for mental health treatment. But to suggest that gun control can In no way be a part of the solution is simply ridiculous . That is simply a fact
 
I am a mental health professional versed in several EBP’s such as DBT which can be used to treat personality disorders. There is no evidence the Las Vegas killer has a personality disorder. In general efficacy for treatment of personality disorders is low mostly because most people who have them deny they have any problem at all. I am all about support for mental health treatment. But to suggest that gun control can In no way be a part of the solution is simply ridiculous . That is simply a fact

Oh. He doesn't?

Las Vegas shooter lived high-stakes lifestyle where big bets buy the most luxury - Chicago Tribune

https://www.springer.com/gp/about-s...nality-disorders-often-go-hand-in-hand-/41190

Shocker. I think he was an alcoholic too. And didn't they say he was oh psychotrpic drugs too?
 
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I would like to see harsher penalties, and actual ENFORCEMENT of those laws.......you simply cannot make be believe the gun control politicians are serious about "common sense" gun control when those cities with strict gun control are playing catch and release with weapons violators.

You wont slam the criminals with the hardest possible sentences, yet you DO want to make it more difficult for the law abiding to own firearms.

Someone explain that logic?

No, I do not believe the politicians shoving more gun control laws into the sidewalk really give a rats backside about public safety, yet are the first ones to scream 'If we can save just one childs life" to promote those new restrictions.....and when we balk at those restrictions, they are just as quick to scream "Why do you like seeing children killed?"

Really?

All those folks that oppose "three strike" laws as being 'arbitrary" and unduly affecting minorities........how do you feel about a two strike law for weapons violators? felons with firearms, use of firearms in commission of crimes, straw purchase and sales?

laws have never been a barrier to criminals getting weapons......so, make those crimes more painful....no more early release for good behavior, over crowded jails, etc.

Stop legislating, and start enforcing.

My apologizes for overlooking this post, which a few people have pointed me toward. It got lost in the sea of NOPE WE CAN'T DO NOTHING, DURR.

I do agree with focusing on enforcing the laws currently on the books as a starting point. For one thing, America has long had a problem where we want to solve problems by adding another rule or passing another law. How do we know if a new law would work if we can't enforce the old ones?

Three Strikes laws...those are based on this idea that we can punish our way out of the problem of gun violence. While harsh penalties must be handed down to those who commit violent crimes, this alone cannot solve the root problems, including the fact that way too many men feel that violence is the fallback answer for solving a problem. Yes, I went there, and no, I'm not taking that back. Maybe we would be wise to consider why, decade after decade, the overwhelming majority of those who commit violent crimes are men. Maybe we need to be teaching our boys from a very young age better techniques for nonviolent, nonaggressive conflict management.

Another problem with Three Strikes laws is jail overcrowding. People tend to forget that housing a prisoner is expensive. As unpopular a sentiment it may be, even the most violent of criminals are humans too, and humans have basic needs--food, water, health, social needs, etc. Meeting these needs is not cheap. The more prisoners we have, the more we spend on this. And the United States has by far the world's largest prison population, so, you do the math.

But what laws can we pass? Let's talk about straw purchases. I would hope that cracking down on straw purchases might be one opportunity for bipartisan consensus. What about a massive, undercover sting operation by local, state, and federal governments to crack down on straw purchases? I am under no illusion that such an operation would end the practice of straw purchasing, but who knows if might not give potential straw purchasers second thought.

There's much more to say, but I think what I have above is more than enough to chew on, so I'll pause here for the moment.
 
Who cares? Their right to be tone deaf. As things the gun control crowd say and do aren't tone deaf. Like Nancy Sinatra calling for the death of NRA members.

I would think all Americans would..... particularly gun owners considered about some well armed yahoos in camo getting bad publicity in a horrible photo op.
 
A fraction of his net worth. You lost this one

Someone who is betting $100,000 an hour isn't an addict? The guy was a loner and a jerk by all accounts. How much he was gambling doesn't really matter. It is why. And even if you think it matters...he bet enough that you could call it a compulsion.
 
Someone who is betting $100,000 an hour isn't an addict? The guy was a loner and a jerk by all accounts. How much he was gambling doesn't really matter. It is why. And even if you think it matters...he bet enough that you could call it a compulsion.

That is not a diagnosis. You lost this one
 
All these days later we have not the slightest clue what his financial situation was.

Because the Elite Class Sucks.

Vegas (casinos) had him rated at a 1-3 million income
 
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