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Real talk on solutions to mass shooting

RetiredUSN said:
You cannot legislate away evil. Go ahead and make your redundant laws because in the end, people are going to die by evil people regardless.
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Ok we don’t give up that easy
 
RetiredUSN said:
You cannot legislate away evil. Go ahead and make your redundant laws because in the end, people are going to die by evil people regardless.
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Then let's go ahead and legalize rape, murder, and armed robbery. Because "you cannot legislate away evil." :x

No. That defeatism is not acceptable.
 
Phys251 said:
Then let's go ahead and legalize rape, murder, and armed robbery. Because "you cannot legislate away evil." :x

No. That defeatism is not acceptable.
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But those laws weren't put in place in order to "legislate away evil" like gun control people are trying to do, but rather they were put in place to set moral rules (which those three examples you gave go all the way back to the 10 commandments) and they make clear what form of punishment you will receive for choosing to do those things.

Gun ownership isn't an "evil" and shouldn't be lumped into the same category as rape, murder, etc.

And there are already laws against murder, and that doesn't stop these people from murdering people, so why would laws against gun ownership suddenly stop people from murdering? I'm not seeing how gun control, or some form of "action" is going to solve anything... you can only control the form of punishment for their actions, which these people quite often bypass by committing suicide.

What form of "action" would you recommend to stop mass murders from happening?

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Rexedgar said:
What are the brave and industrious solutions?
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I do not know why it has to be limited to industrious but what needs to happen is stop focusing on the tool and start addressing the causes. After 83 years of failure it's very clear and obvious that throwing down another law that almost always has nothing to do with the crime being addressed at that particular time is not the way to go.

Alas, half the people are too fearful and/or hateful of guns/gun owners' lean to rationally and openly have a truthful discussion. The other half plays the first half.
 
Phys251 said:
Then let's go ahead and legalize rape, murder, and armed robbery. Because "you cannot legislate away evil." :x

No. That defeatism is not acceptable.
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Has rape, murder, and robbery gone away with legislation?

When the courts do act, you freaking cry babies start criticizing the system anyways.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
What happened in Las Vegas leveas us with no clear options: a man brought an arsenal of 20 or more firearms, many of them purchased legally, to a hotel room on the 32nd floor of a Las Vegas hotel and proceeded to go on a shooting spree. He had no criminal history, no warning signs. Prior to October first, the las vegas shooter was an ordinary American citizen
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I and 120,000,000 others are not Stephen Paddock any more than immigrant Mexicans are criminals, Muslim are ISIS or Japanese Americans were saboteurs and spies. I don't assume you are a psychopath. I expect the same in return.
 
Phys251 said:
Then let's go ahead and legalize rape, murder, and armed robbery. Because "you cannot legislate away evil." :x

No. That defeatism is not acceptable.
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False equivalent. There are laws that punish those that commit those crimes. Owning a firearm is not a crime nor evil. Stephen Paddock liked guns. 120,000,000 gun owners like guns. Therefore gun owners are Stephen Paddock. Nice Trump think.
 
Evilroddy said:
Polar Bum:

The technology for making all those measures listed above exist right now and already are being used to control and facilitate other human behaviours. Radio Frequency technology is old tech, not science fiction. Marrying RF tech to facial recognition technology could immediately allow authorities to determine how many RF tagged guns any person had on them and if all of those guns were properly registered to the person carrying them. I use RF in my credit cards and security passes for work all the time. RF tech is embedded into the merchandise and products we buy for inventory control and anti-theft purposes. This technology is already here and functioning for security and commercial purposes now and is definitly not science fiction.

As to dystopian, which is worse? A well regulated gun industry where legal ownership of firearms is continuously and instantly verified or more and more dead and wounded people piling up monthly in a firearms saturated society? Technology allows shooters to kill scores and injure hundreds in minutes. Technology can also be used to stop such carnage. Remote RF tagging of all firearms coupled with remote biometric recognition would make illegal possession of firearms nearly impossible and would deny felons and would-be felons access to firearms. Only law abiding gun-owners would be able to keep and bear arms and such legal possession would be exulted closely, just like the second amendment intended.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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RFID is very easy to defeat using very simple active or passive means.....but I am sure you already knew that...let me guess though...the solution would be to make it illegal the mask an RFID signal.....
 
RetiredUSN said:
Has rape, murder, and robbery gone away with legislation?

When the courts do act, you freaking cry babies start criticizing the system anyways.
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So you agree, then, with my intentionally absurd point that rape, murder and robbery should be legalized? Hell let's just go full The Walking Dead without the zombies while we're at it.

P.S. Nice argumentum ad hominem. :roll:
 
BretJ said:
False equivalent. There are laws that punish those that commit those crimes. Owning a firearm is not a crime nor evil. Stephen Paddock liked guns. 120,000,000 gun owners like guns. Therefore gun owners are Stephen Paddock. Nice Trump think.
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Easy now, there's no need to blame the messenger for showing how an absurd position leads to its logical conclusion.
 
Phys251 said:
Easy now, there's no need to blame the messenger for showing how an absurd position leads to its logical conclusion.
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How is what he said absurd? All legislation does is prescribe a punishment for those crimes you listed after they have been commited. They only prevent those things from occuring only so long as the punishment is incarceration.Everyone hopes that the punishment may deter some, but it does not stop evil people who are intent on doing harm. So how was your absurd statement relevant to his when his statement implied no such thing?
 
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I made the same point to Phys251 on the last page, as well as making a post prior to that, attempting to dive into specifics with him, but he ignored my posts, and it seems as if he unfortunately has no intention of discussing specific laws and solution ideas beyond "inaction is no longer acceptable" and "defeatism is no longer acceptable".

Phys251: You say you want "action", so I would be interested to hear what specific "actions" you believe would stop mass shootings...

And like I said in my last post to you, there are already laws against murder, and that doesn't stop these people from murdering people, so why would laws against gun ownership suddenly stop people from murdering?
 
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gfm7175 said:
I made the same point to Phys251 on the last page, as well as making a post prior to that, attempting to dive into specifics with him, but he ignored my posts, and it seems as if he unfortunately has no intention of discussing specific laws and solution ideas beyond "inaction is no longer acceptable" and "defeatism is no longer acceptable".

Phys251: You say you want "action", so I would be interested to hear what specific "actions" you believe would stop mass shootings...

And like I said in my last post to you, there are already laws against murder, and that doesn't stop these people from murdering people, so why would laws against gun ownership suddenly stop people from murdering?
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These people aren't interested in actual solutions, or specifics. They are simply carrying out their marching orders, and disseminating their issued talking points. Is it mere coincidence they all use the exact same phrases? I think not.
 
The best way to get effective laws passed (or programs initiated) to reduce gun violence is to allow people to carry firearms into all government buildings without exception. (especially the ones in Washington with Greek and Roman inspired architecture)

I guarantee that the politicians would come up with effective bipartisan solutions very quickly... :2razz:
 
beancounter said:
The best way to get effective laws passed (or programs initiated) to reduce gun violence is to allow people to carry firearms into all government buildings without exception. (especially the ones in Washington with Greek and Roman inspired architecture)

I guarantee that the politicians would come up with effective bipartisan solutions very quickly... :2razz:
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Don't be so sure about that. From 2011 to the end of 13 I worked for three years for the Michigan legislature. Each year on a planned day in the spring, scores of openly armed men carrying both pistols and long guns - sometimes both, many in camo, came to the capitol building and roamed the halls. One year was just after Sandy Hook and the capitol was teeming with school groups on long planned filed trips and they fled in horror as kids were scared to death of what they saw.

No problem as the Republicans who are firmly in control of the legislature waved good-bye to the children and teachers as they fled and embraced and welcomed the armed hordes.

And they have year after year continued to welcome them and not restrict open carry in the capitol.
 
haymarket said:
Don't be so sure about that. From 2011 to the end of 13 I worked for three years for the Michigan legislature. Each year on a planned day in the spring, scores of openly armed men carrying both pistols and long guns - sometimes both, many in camo, came to the capitol building and roamed the halls. One year was just after Sandy Hook and the capitol was teeming with school groups on long planned filed trips and they fled in horror as kids were scared to death of what they saw.

No problem as the Republicans who are firmly in control of the legislature waved good-bye to the children and teachers as they fled and embraced and welcomed the armed hordes.

And they have year after year continued to welcome them and not restrict open carry in the capitol.
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So basically the response to someone using a right is to react in fear. A lawful exercise where nobody is in danger or doing anything to harm others. Kinda reminds of the freak out about homosexuals in a bizzare way.

At any rate...it is shocking to me that armed people are allowed in a government building. Well not people paid to protect government the all important officials amyeauZ
 
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