Real simple:

[Felicity]

The pettiness just keeps on coming...:rofl

I'm glad you recognize the quality of your responses.

 

[jallman]

I'm glad you recognize the quality of your responses.

Ooooohhhhh, I know you are but what am I?
:roll:

 

[Felicity]

How can I be bigoted toward the zygote when it has no opinions for me to be intolerant of.

Since when does a bigot need to have a sentient being as the object of the prejudice? One can be a bigot because he holds the opinion his own race is superior to other races--the "race" has no "sentience"--individuals do--and yet he is a bigot toward the race. Bigotry is prejudice in the face of clear and rational reasoning to the contrary of the held opinion. You, sir, are being a bigot as it relates to tiny humans--and obstinately continuing to demonstrate it even in your denial of the meaning of the word bigot.

 

[talloulou]

You don't have to definition surf to find the definition of bigot. My prejudicial attitude toward the zygote, which has no beliefs to represent or express, cannot be considered bigoted. How can I be bigoted toward the zygote when it has no opinions for me to be intolerant of.

The pettiness just keeps on coming...:rofl

I don't think you're a bigot so much as a supremacist. You believe maturity and stage of development make some humans more worthy than others. Those who haven't developed to the level you deem "worthy" of life can be terminated on the whim of their mother. You don't believe being "human" is enough for ones life to be respected. You allow the unborn's worth to be determined by another. A human of 12 weeks gestation is not worth saving but once that very same human makes it to 25 weeks then suddenly it deserves a right to life?

 

[Felicity]

I don't think you're a bigot so much as a supremacist.

What's the difference? Supremacist is just a more specific term for the type of bigot--but all bigots hold sepremacist views of some sort.

 

[Felicity]

Is it the connotation of the word? Being a bigot is bad--but being a supremacist isn't quite as bad?

 

[jallman]

Since when does a bigot need to have a sentient being as the object of the prejudice?

Since he needed opinions to be intolerant of to be bigoted...:doh

One can be a bigot because he holds the opinion his own race is superior to other races--the "race" has no "sentience"--individuals do--and yet he is a bigot toward the race.

No, then he is a supremacist.

Bigotry is prejudice in the face of clear and rational reasoning to the contrary of the held opinion.

Wrong again...bigotry is intolerance.

You, sir, are being a bigot as it relates to tiny humans--and obstinately continuing to demonstrate it even in your denial of the meaning of the word bigot.

I didn't write the dictionary...I just quoted it. Take your angst up with Webster, lady. He wrote the damned thing.

 

[jallman]

Is it the connotation of the word? Being a bigot is bad--but being a supremacist isn't quite as bad?

I'll accept supremacist because it fits. I do think that any woman, man, or child has supremacy of rights over any nonsentient lump of cells.

 

[Felicity]

I didn't write the dictionary...I just quoted it. Take your angst up with Webster, lady. He wrote the damned thing.

Definition of bigot - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

bigot
One entry found for bigot.

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
- big·ot·ed /-g&-t&d/ adjective
- big·ot·ed·ly adverb

I don't disagree with Mr. Webster

 

[jallman]

Definition of bigot - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

bigot
One entry found for bigot.

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
- big·ot·ed /-g&-t&d/ adjective
- big·ot·ed·ly adverb

I don't disagree with Mr. Webster

See how convenient the dictionary can be. However, I hold no hatred of the zef. Nor do I lack toleration of the zef. I could really care less because; what a woman chooses to do with her zef is of no consequence to me.

 

[jallman]

I don't disagree with Mr. Webster

No, you simply apply his definitions out of context. True to the PL play book I might add.

 

[Roberdorus]

Definition of bigot - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

bigot
One entry found for bigot.

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
- big·ot·ed /-g&-t&d/ adjective
- big·ot·ed·ly adverb

I don't disagree with Mr. Webster

Felicity, you are being hysterical and obtuse and you have a fact phobia.

 

[talloulou]

I'll accept supremacist because it fits. I do think that any woman, man, or child has supremacy of rights over any nonsentient lump of cells.

Well that's not exactly true. Your supremacists views actually go even further than that. Even after the human in utero has developed some senses like the ability to feel, touch, taste, and even hear and respond to sounds with movement you still feel it is okay to terminate them. A human with senses can't really be considered a nonsentient lump of cells now can it? Isn't that slightly intellectually dishonest?

 

[Felicity]

Felicity, you are being hysterical and obtuse and you have a fact phobia.

Same to you but more of it!!!:neener

 

[talloulou]

See how convenient the dictionary can be. However, I hold no hatred of the zef. Nor do I lack toleration of the zef. I could really care less because; what a woman chooses to do with her zef is of no consequence to me.

Some women lack toleration for their unborn. You support them to carry out acts that kill the unborn based on their lack of toleration. If there is no hatred it is only because the unborn are too weak to in anyway fight back or rise up and challenge those who oppose them.

 

[jallman]

Well that's not exactly true. Your supremacists views actually go even further than that. Even after the human in utero has developed some senses like the ability to feel, touch, taste, and even hear and respond to sounds with movement you still feel it is okay to terminate them. A human with senses can't really be considered a nonsentient lump of cells now can it? Isn't that slightly intellectually dishonest?

WHAT? I am going to give you an opportunity to research your assertion before I put you back in the same column as the other PL liars.

 

[jallman]

Felicity, you are being hysterical and obtuse and you have a fact phobia.

Roberdorus, you are being a distraction from the conversation. Until you have something worthwhile to contribute, best you just remain silent and simply be thought a fool rather than put your fingers to the keyboard and dispel all doubt. :mrgreen:

 

[jallman]

Some women lack toleration for their unborn. You support them to carry out acts that kill the unborn based on their lack of toleration. If there is no hatred it is only because the unborn are too weak to in anyway fight back or rise up and challenge those who oppose them.

Here we go with the histrionics and hysterics...all part of the need for PL to vilify their opponents because God forbid they debate the actual issue. That would be too much like intellectual honesty. :roll:

 

[talloulou]

WHAT? I am going to give you an opportunity to research your assertion before I put you back in the same column as the other PL liars.

Gestational taste: FULLY DEVELOPED at 15 WEEKS

The early presence of taste bud cells containing dense-cored vesicles suggests an at least dual function of embryonic/ fetal taste buds: First, from the 8th until the 14th week, non-gustatory, paracrine functions should be considered. After the 14th week of gestation, when typical taste pores are present, the taste buds possibly start their gustatory function. Differentiated marginal cells are possibly involved in the formation of the taste pore. The lack of type I cells producing the mucous material in the taste pit indicates that the taste bud has not achieved a fully developed function until the 15th week of gestation. © 1996 Wiley-Liss, Inc.

Wiley InterScience :: Session Cookies

By 13 to 15 weeks a fetus's taste buds already look like a mature adult's, and the amniotic fluid that surrounds the fetus can smell strongly of curry, cumin, garlic, onion, or other strong tastes from a mother's diet. Studies show that a fetus's swallowing increases when surrounded by sweet tastes and decreases with bitter and sour tastes.

Discovery Health :: Fetal Development in the Womb

Touch

Just before the eighth week of gestation, an embryo develops its first sensitivity to touch. The first parts of its body to experience sensitivity are the ones that are the most sensitive in adults. It starts in the cheek and then quickly extends to the genital area (10 weeks), palms (11 weeks), and soles of the feet (12 weeks). By 17 weeks, the abdomen and buttocks are also sensitive. Your baby may experiment with this newfound sense of touch by stroking his or her face or sucking on a thumb, as well as feeling other body parts and seeing how they move.

Discovery Health :: Fetal Development in the Womb

SMELL

A fetus's nose develops between 11 and 15 weeks. Until recently, scientists didn't believe that fetuses would have any sense of smell, since it was assumed that smelling depended on air and breathing. However, the latest research has opened up a new world of possibilities.

The nasal system is made up of no less than four subsystems, and it's now believed that the amniotic fluid surrounding the fetus passes through the baby's oral and nasal cavities, triggering these senses.

Hearing:

But as early as 18 weeks, the bones of the inner ear and the nerve endings from the brain have developed enough for your baby to hear sounds such as your heartbeat and blood moving through the umbilical cord. He may even be startled by loud noises! For the rest of the pregnancy, sound serves as a baby's major information channel.

Discovery Health :: Fetal Development in the Womb

Not exactly a clump of cells lacking in all senses.

 

[Felicity]

I'm not letting you off the hook of the "capacity thing" jallman...

Quote:
Originally Posted by jallman
I judge their right to life based on their capacity for certain traits. A zygote cannot exhibit the capacity to even be aware of itself, let alone exhibit cognition, thought, desire, or any other expression nor has it ever been capable of such.

You better look up the word “capacity” before you make this assertion, jallman. Capacity includes potentiality and we know a ZEF (or rather that tiny, new human being) has the “potential” to grow into a human you consider worthy of life—he/she’s a “totiPOTENT” cell.

So--does a zygote have the CAPACITY for self awareness or not? Check with Mr. Webster first, please.

 

[Roberdorus]

Here we go with the histrionics and hysterics...all part of the need for PL to vilify their opponents because God forbid they debate the actual issue. That would be too much like intellectual honesty. :roll:

Damn right, and so true to the PL play-book. Liars. Science-haters. Misogynists.

 

[jallman]

Okay kiddies, I am gonna go convince a few pious women to abort so I have something for lunch. You guys enjoy working each other up into greater and greater bouts of hysterics and don't forget to pull out your little Bibles and share verses that parallel me to the Anti-Christ. You know...a typical PL gathering... carry on.

 

[Felicity]

Roberdorus, you are being a distraction from the conversation. Until you have something worthwhile to contribute, best you just remain silent and simply be thought a fool rather than put your fingers to the keyboard and dispel all doubt. :mrgreen:

I thought it was kinda funny:mrgreen:

 

[Felicity]

Okay kiddies, I am gonna go convince a few pious women to abort so I have something for lunch. You guys enjoy working each other up into greater and greater bouts of hysterics and don't forget to pull out your little Bibles and share verses that parallel me to the Anti-Christ. You know...a typical PL gathering... carry on.

Oh quit it with the "give 'em the sh!t I'm accusing them of doing so as to teach 'em a lesson" BS. No one's quoting the Bible and you are losing it jallman.

 

[Felicity]

Jallman...that reminds me of a scene in Monty Python's Holy Grail--

"Run away....run away...."
http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_sounds/hg/runaway.wav