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READ: The Justice Department's response to Trump's request for a special master

BlueTex said:
Which won't mean shit if he is prosecuted for violating 18 USC 793(e)... two words: closely held...
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Let's let the real attorneys sort it all out.
 
BlueTex said:
The supreme court already sorted it out in 1941..

The function of the court is to instruct as to the kind of information which is violative of the statute, and that of the jury to decide whether the information secured is of the defined kind. It is not the function of the court, where reasonable men may differ, to determine whether the acts do or do not come within the ambit of the statute. The question of the connection of the information with national defense is a question of fact to be determined by the jury as negligence upon disputed fact is determined.

supreme.justia.com

Gorin v. United States, 312 U.S. 19 (1941)

Gorin v. United States
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Which president was involved in that case?
 
Paradoxical said:
Mueller? Another senile old fart who let Weissmann, another Hillary lover, donator, and one who attended her functions, run the investigation they KNEW was phony.
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Remember these three words. OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. Those three words are being attributed to a former POTUS who is now a private citizen, just like you and I are private citizens, and those three words are being attributed to one Donald J. Trump by the U.S. DOJ. There's a train a comin', and I'm ecstatic that I'm no where near that train track like private citizen DJT is. 'Play stupid games - Win stupid prizes.'
 
Paradoxical said:
We know how the FGBI lies for breakfast. The mafia learned everything from them.
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We know how Trump and his lawyers lie for breakfast, lunch and dinner. They did the same thing in this case with their "diligent search"
 
Bullseye said:
Yeah, a brief that says "we did everything correctly".
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And details exactly what those actions were. If you disagree, then put on your big boy pants and tell us why, specifically.
 
Trump's response is basically just nonsense and word salad.


 
Paradoxical said:
Mueller? Another senile old fart who let Weissmann, another Hillary lover, donator, and one who attended her functions, run the investigation they KNEW was phony.
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You never read it . I can tell.
 
Bullseye said:
Yeah, whatever. :rolleyes:
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If you or I had Federal property stashed at home, do you think for a moment the FBI would politely ask for it back?

Damn right there's a double standard. Trump is NOT the victim of it though.
 
Paradoxical said:
What evidence does the LAW require?

I don't think there is any mention he has to beg CNN or the FBI to do it. I am no attorney but it appears that all he has to do is to make a declaration.
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The onus is on Trump to prove he declassified documents and not on others to disprove it.

Trump claimed to have blanket declassified docs but none of his national security team know anything about it. So, when a underling picks up a file that says “Top Secret” is it classified or not? The purpose of classification is to assure that unauthorized people don’t have access.

Trump is making an absurd assertion and it’s obvious.
 
Paradoxical said:
What evidence does the LAW require?

I don't think there is any mention he has to beg CNN or the FBI to do it. I am no attorney but it appears that all he has to do is to make a declaration.
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From what I understand, when he declassifies stuff he is supposed to log that and the relevant agencies are notified. They apparently weren't. That may simply be another example of Trump's carelessness, however, and anyway these don't seem like a hard and fast rules, given the great discretion a president has.

But really, no one has come forward to confirm Trump's story about automatic declassification. Based on what we all know about the guy, this is nothing new, just Trump saying whatever is convenient at the time to avoid facing up to whatever trouble he thinks he might be in. He is very light on his feet that way. And when he is nailed by a question, he just walks away.

www.cnn.com

Trump walks out of news conference after reporter asks him about Veterans Choice lie he's told more than 150 times

President Donald Trump abruptly ended a Saturday news conference after a reporter challenged him on a lie about veterans health care he has told more than 150 times.
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Spirit of The Millennium said:
If you or I had Federal property stashed at home, do you think for a moment the FBI would politely ask for it back?

Damn right there's a double standard. Trump is NOT the victim of it though.
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Neither one of us is/was President of the United States with the power to declassify information.
 
Galactic Spin said:
And details exactly what those actions were. If you disagree, then put on your big boy pants and tell us why, specifically.
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LOL you realize that follows my post exactly.
 
Paradoxical said:
We know how the FGBI lies for breakfast. The mafia learned everything from them.
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That’s rich-whining about the FBI lying when the lying jackass has made an art form of being a pathological liar.
 
Bullseye said:
And you know that how? Because Wa Poo said so.
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If you think he declassified anything please produce the evidence or admit you made it up.
Without proof your opinion is worthless.
 
Trump talks too much, frustrating his lawyers.

What happens if his lawyer talks too much?

 
Bullseye said:
And you know that how? Because Wa Poo said so.
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Because there is no evidence of it, and all the evidence points against it. Because if Trump had a shred of evidence of that, he would have shown it.

That's how. You know, rational thought.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
If you want me to engage in a discussion, you need to put in more effort to actually understand the issue - rather than posting the first hit you get from Google.

Attorney-client privilege doesn't come from the 4th Amendment, or any other part of the Constitutiin. It is older than the Constitution, by hundreds of years.
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All of the amendments in the Bill of Rights are, your problem is you think you must be the smartest guy in the conversation and then you wonder why you are suddenly talking to yourself.

Spare me the ****ing arrogance. The point is the 4th and attorney client privilege overlap in areas of the law.
 
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