Ray Epps Story is a Good Indicator of Fake News Outlets and Real News Outlets

[bubbabgone]

Good.



Well if real proof that Nancy ,or the DNC, or the FBI was responsible and in the news you can cite that and post it here. I've seen a ton of flaming BS about no facts or proof. At all.

Your inference that someone else has something to gain is absurd. That CT would claim that someone else was responsible who made trump post the "it will be wild" tweet. Someone would have tricked trump into sending his crowd to the capitol when he spoke at the Ellipse. Someone would have forced Bannon to predict the riot on his podcast on January 5. Someone would have tricked trump into posting tweets that blame everything on Pence.

And yet no one can say who that someone is.

That someone is Trump. He is responsible for J6 because he lied about election fraud.

Anyone who brings it up is exploiting it.
Are you really going to type a denial that Trump has been under political attack for 8 years?
Or that there are no factions within Federal Law enforcement who have been working against him?
Or that they're protecting his political opponent?
Really?
They're out to protect their power and they think Trump is their enemy. They could be right.

 

[soap box]

Anyone who brings it up is exploiting it.
Are you really going to type a denial that Trump has been under political attack for 8 years?
Or that there are no factions within Federal Law enforcement who have been working against him?
Or that they're protecting his political opponent?
Really?
They're out to protect their power and they think Trump is their enemy. They could be right.n

And all those attacks against trump are a reason that explains the riot? Is trump saying they made us do it?

Are you saying they were so persecuted that we should forgive them for obstruction of an act of Congress or that they are innocent of seditious conspiracy?

No, that narrative does not excuse anyone or exculpate trump.

Trump is responsible for J6.

 

[Fishking]

Not surprised you don't want to answer that question.

I don't have to. The topic is Epps.

 

[bubbabgone]

And all those attacks against trump are a reason that explains the riot? Is trump saying they made us do it?

Are you saying they were so persecuted that we should forgive them for obstruction of an act of Congress or that they are innocent of seditious conspiracy?

No, that narrative does not excuse anyone or exculpate trump.

Trump is responsible for J6.

Protests, regardless of size, aren't illegal, obstruction, or seditious conspiracy.
But we know of only one person seen on video telling the crowd to go into the Capitol building.

 

[soap box]

Protests, regardless of size, aren't illegal, obstruction, or seditious conspiracy.
But we know of only one person seen on video telling the crowd to go into the Capitol building.

Which rioter has been convicted of protesting? How many convictions were for seditious conspiracy? How many convictions were for obstruction?

J6 could never have possibly happened without trump.

J6 would have happened without Epps.

I say that because most convicted rioters never knew he was there, but they already knew what trump wanted.

You're saying people didn't choose to go in , instead Epps tricked them all, since they didn't want to? Epps made me do it? If he incited the riot, didn't trump do the same?

I should repeat that if charges are made against Epps, I will applaud that. Same for trump.

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

The theory that Ray Epps was an FBI informant stoking the mob was covered widely by the likes of Joe Rogan, the Breaking Points Podcast, the Daily Wire, and more. This theory was brought up over twenty times on Tucker Carlson’s show alone, not to mention elsewhere on Fox.

Now, thanks to the January 6th investigations and the work of actual journalists, we know that all of their hypotheses were completely wrong. Ray Epps was just an idiot shouting stupid shit in a sea of idiots shouting stupid shit on January 6th.

There was never any actual proof of this accusation. Accordingly, responsible news outlets never promoted the accusations that Fox and others did. In fact, Fox and the others hid exculpatory information, such as video of Epps trying to calm down the protesters and helping bring an injured person to safety before any of the violence against police started.

There's a real difference between right-wing media and real information sources.

So why is the Liberal Media so concerned about a Right Wing Rioter who was telling people to Break in to the Capital ????....
Don't find it ODD that the Libs are trying to run Cover for an "insurrectionist" ????.....

You people are deficient in critical thinking that the Media is able to make you think the most illogical things....

 

[jpn]

So why is the Liberal Media so concerned about a Right Wing Rioter who was telling people to Break in to the Capital ????....

To which "Liberal Media"[sic] outlet are you referring? A quick search of the NYT found they published a whole two articles over the past month. Not much sign of being "so concerned."

Don't find it ODD that the Libs are trying to run Cover for an "insurrectionist" ????.....

Didn't know they were. A man involved in the Jan 6 attempted coup, suing Fox "News" for defamation because Fox was spreading lies, is interesting enough to get a few mentions in the nation's leading daily newspaper. But if that's what you mean to be running "Cover"[sic] for an "insurrectionist," I'd say it isn't much.

What little attention it's gotten is due to the following: The lies and slander broadcast on Fox "News" and other right-wing outlets aided and abetted the nearest thing America has had to an armed insurrection since the Civil War.

The prospect of them paying a fine for that slander and those lies--again--is refreshing.

 

[jpn]

I don't have to. The topic is Epps.

Actually, the topic is the difference between fake news and real news.

The example given is how Epps was slandered by fake news and reported on more accurately by real news.

Which upsets the fake news audience no end.

 

[Fishking]

Actually, the topic is the difference between fake news and real news.

The example given is how Epps was slandered by fake news and reported on more accurately by real news.

Which upsets the fake news audience no end.

He's being charged now so the slander fall short as it's obvious he was treated differently and that cannot be excused anymore.

 

[Fledermaus]

People that were there with him on that day were calling him a fed for a reason. He was specifically, and repeatedly, calling for people to break into the Capitol. Then he was left to walk, while people that were basically just in the vicinity were charged for much less than his specific calls of incitement. It's not unreasonable to assume something fishy here, and the government's position of denying everything, even in congressional hearings, didn't do anything to dispel it.

Oh, FFS....

Stop.

Just stop.

 

[Hello My Son]

People that were there with him on that day were calling him a fed for a reason. He was specifically, and repeatedly, calling for people to break into the Capitol. Then he was left to walk, while people that were basically just in the vicinity were charged for much less than his specific calls of incitement. It's not unreasonable to assume something fishy here, and the government's position of denying everything, even in congressional hearings, didn't do anything to dispel it.

Seems reasonable.

 

[soap box]

Seems reasonable.

Are you new to this site or new to this planet

 

[Nickyjo]

So why is the Liberal Media so concerned about a Right Wing Rioter who was telling people to Break in to the Capital ????....
Don't find it ODD that the Libs are trying to run Cover for an "insurrectionist" ????.....

You people are deficient in critical thinking that the Media is able to make you think the most illogical things....

I think what’s going on is commenting on or if you will, highlighting the paranoia or persecution complex on the right, that suggests some deep state actor influencing people to rush and trash the Capitol, shifting moral blame away from Trump, and legal responsibility away from others.

 

[Hello My Son]

Are you new to this site or new to this planet

Can't it be both?

 

[PatricTheGreat]

Which rioter has been convicted of protesting? How many convictions were for seditious conspiracy? How many convictions were for obstruction?

J6 could never have possibly happened without trump.

J6 would have happened without Epps.

I say that because most convicted rioters never knew he was there, but they already knew what trump wanted.

You're saying people didn't choose to go in , instead Epps tricked them all, since they didn't want to? Epps made me do it? If he incited the riot, didn't trump do the same?

I should repeat that if charges are made against Epps, I will applaud that. Same for trump.

Where your post fails is the fact that Trump did not tell them to break the law, or break into the capital. Epps on the other hand, can easily be seen doing as such.

 

[PatricTheGreat]

I think what’s going on is commenting on or if you will, highlighting the paranoia or persecution complex on the right, that suggests some deep state actor influencing people to rush and trash the Capitol, shifting moral blame away from Trump, and legal responsibility away from others.

It wouldn't be consistent with the left's previous actions, no.
We've seen them act in a different fashion over the last few years. Abiding, or even outright supporting everything surrounding the actions of their own rioters.

The fact that they're here coming to his defense, especially after all that's happened. It looks highly suspicious, to say the least.

 

[soap box]

Where your post fails is the fact that Trump did not tell them to break the law, or break into the capital. Epps on the other hand, can easily be seen doing as such.

Did Epps send a tweet on December 18 "it will be wild" ? Did it make him innocent to say "peacefully" one time?

'We won this election, and we won it by a landslide'

Hope Hicks, Hutchinson, and others in sworn testimony told how trump knew he hadn't won.

Eastman testified that trump signed a declaration to a federal court knowing that the number of dead voters in GA was greatly exaggerated.

'If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore'

He clearly knew there were people in that crowd who were armed who intended to be violent, and he certainly did nothing to discourage that. He not only did nothing to discourage it, he strongly hinted it should happen.

J6 happened because trump lied about fraud. He broke different laws, such as conspiracy to defraud. Epps didn't call the followers to the Ellipse. Epps and the rest were called by trump to come to DC.

How is it that most convicted rioters say they never met Epps?

Could the riot have happened without trump?

 

[PatricTheGreat]

Did Epps send a tweet on December 18 "it will be wild" ? Did it make him innocent to say "peacefully" one time?

'We won this election, and we won it by a landslide'

Hope Hicks, Hutchinson, and others in sworn testimony told how trump knew he hadn't won.

Eastman testified that trump signed a declaration to a federal court knowing that the number of dead voters in GA was greatly exaggerated.

'If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore'

He clearly knew there were people in that crowd who were armed who intended to be violent, and he certainly did nothing to discourage that. He not only did nothing to discourage it, he strongly hinted it should happen.

J6 happened because trump lied about fraud. He broke different laws, such as conspiracy to defraud. Epps didn't call the followers to the Ellipse. Epps and the rest were called by trump to come to DC.

How is it that most convicted rioters say they never met Epps?

Could the riot have happened without trump?

All you're doing is banking on innocuous terms from one, while ignorning direct calls to action from another.

Yes the riot could've happened without Trump. We'd practically had numerous riots before that point, either spurned on by direct calls by democrats, or their own lies. So you're already banking on a false assumption.

Most of the convicted in this case were not even rioting. People were arrested and thrown into isolation for just simply walking into the building, then held without charges for almost three months, and were apparently being mistreated by prison staff.

All you're doing is defending the man, despite the fact that he did exactly what you're trying to claim of Trump. I don't even like the man, and here I am forced to defend him against this crap.

 

[Nickyjo]

It wouldn't be consistent with the left's previous actions, no.
We've seen them act in a different fashion over the last few years. Abiding, or even outright supporting everything surrounding the actions of their own rioters.

The fact that they're here coming to his defense, especially after all that's happened. It looks highly suspicious, to say the least.

Huh? The left is not coming to Epps defense, just skeptical of the paranoia that suggests some scheme that caused Jan 6. It was a demonstration stimulated by Trump’s lie that got out of hand. Way out of hand, with some tragic results. Blood is on his hands. Not much more than that.

 

[soap box]

All you're doing is banking on innocuous terms from one, while ignorning direct calls to action from another.

Yes the riot could've happened without Trump. We'd practically had numerous riots before that point, either spurned on by direct calls by democrats, or their own lies. So you're already banking on a false assumption.

Most of the convicted in this case were not even rioting. People were arrested and thrown into isolation for just simply walking into the building, then held without charges for almost three months, and were apparently being mistreated by prison staff.

All you're doing is defending the man, despite the fact that he did exactly what you're trying to claim of Trump. I don't even like the man, and here I am forced to defend him against this crap.

First, if I'm defending Epps, why would I want him in jail? I do. So I wouldn't call that a defense.

You wrote -
"despite the fact that he did exactly what you're trying to claim of Trump."

And yes, he does share some of the same crimes as trump. Possibly incitement, seditious conspiracy, possibly others. But the point is that Epps and trump also broke different laws. He lied about election fraud, and Epps raised hell.

You wrote -
"Yes the riot could've happened without Trump. We'd practically had numerous riots before that point, either spurned on by direct calls by democrats, or their own lies. So you're already banking on a false assumption"

You're saying that trump is not responsible for the riot because...


Wait for it....


There were other riots before.


Trump is responsible for J6.

 

[jpn]

He's being charged now so the slander fall short as it's obvious he was treated differently and that cannot be excused anymore.

So he claims.

 

[bubbabgone]

Where your post fails is the fact that Trump did not tell them to break the law, or break into the capital. Epps on the other hand, can easily be seen doing as such.

Seems obvious, dunnit?

 

[bubbabgone]

I think what’s going on is commenting on or if you will, highlighting the paranoia or persecution complex on the right, that suggests some deep state actor influencing people to rush and trash the Capitol, shifting moral blame away from Trump, and legal responsibility away from others.

Speaking of deep state actors who worked against Trump ... Strzok, Page, Comey, McCabe, Chan, Brennan, Clapper, Baker ... like that?
There are more as we're seeing now but those names you would know.

 

[bubbabgone]

Which rioter has been convicted of protesting? How many convictions were for seditious conspiracy? How many convictions were for obstruction?

J6 could never have possibly happened without trump.

J6 would have happened without Epps.

And Joe Biden would never possibly be President without FBI cover and Media compliance.
There'd be no purpose for the riot if the Big Guy hadn't had that support.

I say that because most convicted rioters never knew he was there, but they already knew what trump wanted.

You're saying people didn't choose to go in , instead Epps tricked them all, since they didn't want to? Epps made me do it? If he incited the riot, didn't trump do the same?

I should repeat that if charges are made against Epps, I will applaud that. Same for trump.

But we know of only one person seen on video telling the crowd to go into the Capitol building.

 

[soap box]

And Joe Biden would never possibly be President without FBI cover and Media compliance.
There'd be no purpose for the riot if the Big Guy hadn't had that support.

LOL it's Biden's fault now. It's the voter's fault.

But we know of only one person seen on video telling the crowd to go into the Capitol building.

We know the person responsible for the riot who lied about fraud and if he hadn't called them to DC, Epps wouldn't have been there.

Let's just MSU so that anyone except trump is to blame.