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The church was full aware that excommunicating the mother means the daughter won't be in church.
Also, the archbishop absolutely did go on TV, just go to youtube. He's all over the place on Brazilian news, BBC, etc....
"God's law is above any human law. So when a human law ... is contrary to God's law, this human law has no value,'' Archbiship Sobrinho had said.
He also said the accused stepfather would not be expelled from the church. Although the man allegedly committed "a heinous crime ... the abortion -- the elimination of an innocent life -- was more serious''.
Cardinal Re agreed, saying: "Excommunication for those who carried out the abortion is just'' as a pregnancy termination always meant ending an innocent life.
Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, head of the Catholic church's Congregation for Bishops, told the daily La Stampa today that the twins the girl had been carrying had a right to live.
"It is a sad case but the real problem is that the twins conceived were two innocent persons, who had the right to live and could not be eliminated,'' he said.
Cardinal Re, who also heads the Pontifical Commission for Latin America, added: "Life must always be protected, the attack on the Brazilian church is unjustified.''
The website of the news group Globo reported that another girl, aged 11, had been found to be seven months pregnant following alleged sexual abuse at the hands of her adoptive father.
The girl has said she does not intend to seek an abortion, according to reports.
Well the vatican came out today to agree with the archbishop.
Vatican backs abortion excommunications | The Courier-Mail
What I don't understand is why the church doesn't also excommunicate the step-daddy diddler. Coming down hard on a pedophile is exactly the kind of PR the Catholic church needs. But instead now they haul out a cardinal from the Vatican who reiterates it was right to excommunicate the mother and he too says nothing about the diddler.
Makes no sense.
One of the doctors involved, Rivaldo Albuquerque, told Globo television that he would keep going to Mass, regardless of the archbishop’s order.
Jesus. Seems to me if the Catholic Church really cared about stopping abortions they might want to take a stance against perverted men who rape the children under their guardianship.
He also committed the sin of adultry.
From the same article....
Jesus. Seems to me if the Catholic Church really cared about stopping abortions they might want to take a stance against perverted men who rape the children under their guardianship.
:roll: Yeah--the Church that is accused of "worshipping" Mary are a bunch of misogynists.:roll:Yeah, the Catholic Church doesn't care much about sins unless they are sins of the mother. Their excommunications have always smacked of misogyny.
All women who aim for the priesthood are excommunicated. Mothers protecting their 9 year olds are excommunicated.
Priests who diddle alter boys are protected under the umbrella of the church and apparently dads who diddle their daughters are also welcome at the table.
You won't find God in church. I've yet to find God. But I know he ain't at church, at least not any God worth getting on my knees for.
Nobody is trying to defend pedophilia as a perfectly morally sound action.
Right, but the church and its defenders are in this mess because they are caught up in consistency which is highly over-rated as a moral authority . 9 times out of 10 a sexual sin is going to be less of a sin than taking a life. So for consistencies sake the mother in this scenario is hung out to dry along with her daughter while the monster may still find shelter in the church.
Sometimes consistency is blinding. One of those men in robes ought to be morally sound enough to toss the father to the wolves.
My favorite defiant hero in the whole mess
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/world/europe/08vatican.html?ref=world
He doesn't care about the men in robes and big hats. :mrgreen:
:roll: Yeah--the Church that is accused of "worshipping" Mary are a bunch of misogynists.:roll:
Why do you keep on insisting on misrepresenting what the Church teaches. You straw-man characterization is your own twisted fabrication based in a lack of understanding Catholic theology. No better than the worst anti-Catholic drivel.
And jallman wants to accuse me of PMS rather than having a legitimate beef with all the bitchy lies being put forth about the Church.:roll:
That doesn't even make sense.
The STEP-father already wallows with pigs.:roll:
Sometimes personal bigotry blinds one to the objective facts of the matter.
Has the Catholic church EVER bent their own rules in such matters? You want this to be a "special case" for them?
you act as though the father got a freepass? What Catholic law did he break that he did not receive proper punishment for?
You can disagree all you want with the Catholic church but it appears they are being 100% consistant with their stated dogma.
Isn't that the problem? the dogma appears to be out of whack with how Jesus himself would have acted?
You can see that is the case in almost ANY religion nowadays....
:roll: Yeah--the Church that is accused of "worshipping" Mary are a bunch of misogynists.:roll:
And jallman wants to accuse me of PMS rather than having a legitimate beef with all the bitchy lies being put forth about the Church.:roll:
Did I say you lied? I said you "misrepresented." To lie means assumes that you are being purposeful false, rather than simply poorly informed and formulating your statements based on ignorance.Where did I lie about the church?
See--that's ignorance. There's plenty Biblically that show her virginity prefigured in the OT--but since I'm pretty certain you're not interested in rational theological discussion, and would rather continue with the Catholic bashing, I'll save the effort.The Catholic faith has a history of discrimination against women. Mary holds unique status within the faith only because she supposedly had a virgin birth. Makes her less slutty and sinful than the rest of us wenches.
There are also solid theological reasons for the male only priesthood, and to obstinately deny tenets of the faith and to further actively flout it is grounds for excommunication.The Catholic Church, last year, excommunicated all women priests. Now, they could have just come out and said, "There's no such thing as a woman priest...." but they had to excommunicate them.
Bull****. The Church has accepted her failings and apologized profusely and made extensive strides in addressing never letting it happen again. In fact, in order for me to even be able to supervise a youth center at my local parish, I had to go through something called Veritas training. USCCB - (OCYP) - Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People This is one of the ways the Church has addressed the issue.Meanwhile pedophiles run wild in the church and you never see a guy in a robe and hat on tv saying boo about it.
Get your parent's annulment and read it. It's not like that at all.I guess a woman not knowing her place in life is far more grievous than a guy sticking his shlong where it doesn't belong. Meanwhile, for consistency sake, divorce is allowed in exchange for $$$. In order to be consistently anti-divorce the men in funny hats accept money in exchange for a decree note that states a marriage never happened. :roll:
Your opinion of the Church changes nothing. It has survived persecution in the past, it continues to do so.The house of God is sliding down a hill of irrelevancy doomed to antiquity and I personally don't see them doing anything to slow the velocity of their inevitable demise.
Actually, yeah...what part are you referring to?Well they kind of are. Have you read Augustine and Aquinas recently?
So sue me that I don't find heresy funny.Well excuse me. You used to be able to take a joke.
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Your opinion of the Church changes nothing. It has survived persecution in the past, it continues to do so.
The stepfather can receive communion still, the mother may not. Happy happy joy joy.
Actually, yeah...what part are you referring to?
So sue me that I don't find heresy funny.
Since the church is guilty of horrendous physical persecution against protestants, jews, "witches", heretics, etc. it should damn well know enough about persecution to deal with a bit of verbal persecution.
Actually, yeah...what part are you referring to?
St Augustine said:I don't see what sort of help woman was created to provide man with, if one excludes procreation. If woman is not given to man for help in bearing children, for what help could she be? To till the earth together? If help were needed for that, man would have been a better help for man. The same goes for comfort in solitude. How much more pleasure is it for life and conversation when two friends live together than when a man and a woman cohabitate?
Thomas Aquinas said:The female is the misbegotten male...
So sue me that I don't find heresy funny.
I suppose history means nothing to bigots.:doh
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