I don't think it makes any difference what someone's wearing...for the most part. I think there are exceptions. I also think women are inviting dangerous attention when they are wearing ****-me clothes.
Haven't read the whole thread, just first and last page... but let me take a WILD ASS GUESS...
Someone, probably male, dared to imply that there were things a woman might avoid doing that might reduce her chances of being raped.
This person was then dogpiled and told they were excusing rape, apologizing for the rapist, attempting to disempower women, etc etc.
Good guess?
You completely missed my point.
Haven't read the whole thread, just first and last page... but let me take a WILD ASS GUESS...
Someone, probably male, dared to imply that there were things a woman might avoid doing that might reduce her chances of being raped.
This person was then dogpiled and told they were excusing rape, apologizing for the rapist, attempting to disempower women, etc etc.
Good guess?
Just as you missed mine. I'm not going to explain again because you seem incapable of thinking outside of your little liberal box.
I don't think it makes any difference what someone's wearing...for the most part. I think there are exceptions. I also think women are inviting dangerous attention when they are wearing ****-me clothes.
I agree that there are obviously precautions women can take. I think carrying a gun/weapon would be the first precaution.
I also agree that women shouldn't be walking alone in unsavory neighborhoods, but I don't know of any women who would be dumb enough to do that, especially since rape is one of the things women fear the most. Also sometimes women do get lost, and might find themselves in one of these places...certainly not their fault. I just didn't like the insinuation that yoga pants can be a turn on and a woman might find herself harmed b/c she wears them.
Ooh Maggie please - women never go out wearing ****me clothes!
Look at your gorgeous avatar - I'm assuming it's you? Now all I see is a beautiful woman. However, I'm old enough to remember a time when certain narrow minded people would have said that your red lipstick was provocative, asking for it. It used to be known as prostitute red. Now we've moved on, thankfully, to knowing that that's a bull$hit argument. And so is the idea that there are ****me clothes. Some women dress like that out of insecurity, naïvety or simply because they like it. They don't deserve to be raped and shouldn't be blamed for it if they are. Please let's not talk about ****me clothes; or rapists will always have their excuse. In some communities that very kind of argument keeps women under burqas.
Oh well then, maybe we should shave our heads, get fat, not wear makeup and make ourselves look as ugly as humanly possible because you never know WHAT some dude might find "attractive."
Only THAT wouldn't work because fat and unattractive women get raped too. If we all really want to be honest, the MAIN reason why women get raped is because they have a vagina, they are physically weaker and smaller than men, and some men take advantage of that fact to just "take" what they want. PERIOD.
Haven't read the whole thread, just first and last page... but let me take a WILD ASS GUESS...
Someone, probably male, dared to imply that there were things a woman might avoid doing that might reduce her chances of being raped.
This person was then dogpiled and told they were excusing rape, apologizing for the rapist, attempting to disempower women, etc etc.
Good guess?
I don't think it makes any difference what someone's wearing...for the most part. I think there are exceptions. I also think women are inviting dangerous attention when they are wearing ****-me clothes.
I agree that there are obviously precautions women can take. I think carrying a gun/weapon would be the first precaution. I also agree that women shouldn't be walking alone in unsavory neighborhoods, but I don't know of any women who would be dumb enough to do that, especially since rape is one of the things women fear the most. Also sometimes women do get lost, and might find themselves in one of these places...certainly not their fault. I just didn't like the insinuation that yoga pants can be a turn on and a woman might find herself harmed b/c she wears them.
Ooh Maggie please - women never go out wearing ****me clothes!
Look at your gorgeous avatar - I'm assuming it's you? Now all I see is a beautiful woman. However, I'm old enough to remember a time when certain narrow minded people would have said that your red lipstick was provocative, asking for it. It used to be known as prostitute red. Now we've moved on, thankfully, to knowing that that's a bull$hit argument. And so is the idea that there are ****me clothes. Some women dress like that out of insecurity, naïvety or simply because they like it. They don't deserve to be raped and shouldn't be blamed for it if they are. Please let's not talk about ****me clothes; or rapists will always have their excuse. In some communities that very kind of argument keeps women under burqas.
Well someone actually said that if a woman dresses provacatively, she actually asked for it therefor it's not rape. Like you, I haven't read much beyond that so I don't know if it was a serious comment or not, but FTR, it is a position with which I strongly disagree.
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
Women who wear provocative clothing are inviting unwanted attention - some of it can be dangerous.
There is a crazy disconnect happening here. Both have merit and deserve discussion. There are two conversations that are getting comingled to the extent that it's detracting from both of them. Which was my main point earlier (when I was told I made a bad interpretation of things). Apparently I did not because it's playing out right here in this very thread.
1. Rape. Why does it happen? A number of reasons but it's never the fault of the victim. I don't see really any disagreement here.
2. Personal safety. Avoiding situations that are likely to become dangerous. In the vast majority of cases this will not save you from being raped. But it's common sense and a discussion worth having. Nobody can protect you if you don't protect yourself first. I don't see really any disagreement here either.
But somehow, when these things are discussed as one topic it goes off the rails. It looks like a bunch of things are getting lost in the translation of thoughts to type written word. The intent is getting covered up in the avalanche of people going for their guns. I think some people are deliberately itching for a fight on this topic, which while not surprising, is still ridiculous.
In the republicon party rape can be viewed a legitimate or illegitamate.
I am still trying to figure this one out...:lamo
The OP seems to be suggesting that rapists are planning to rape and then choose a victim. The majority of rapes are committed by people known to the victim. They have personal relationships, sometimes romantic, sometimes familial, sometimes professional. They are the result not of a momentary stimulus, but of a preexisting situation.
The image of a stranger in a dark alley just doesn't square with reality.
There is a crazy disconnect happening here. There are two conversations that are getting comingled to the extent that it's detracting from both of them. Both have merit and deserve discussion. Which was my main point earlier (when I was told I made a bad interpretation of things). Apparently I did not because it's playing out right here in this very thread.
1. Rape. Why does it happen? A number of reasons but it's never the fault of the victim. I don't see really any disagreement here.
2. Personal safety. Avoiding situations that are likely to become dangerous. In the vast majority of cases this will not save you from being raped. But it's common sense and a discussion worth having. Nobody can protect you if you don't protect yourself first. I don't see really any disagreement here either.
But somehow, when these things are discussed as one topic it goes off the rails. It looks like a bunch of things are getting lost in the translation of thoughts to type written word. The intent is getting covered up in the avalanche of people going for their guns. I think some people are deliberately itching for a fight on this topic, which while not surprising, is still ridiculous.
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