Rampant corruption - Progressive movement

[Praxas]

Liary appears to be an asshole too, but she gets tons of positive press.

Trump has gotten tons of FREE press. And outside of the debates, what positive press is she getting except that she isn't Trump?

 

[ARealConservative]

Trump has gotten tons of FREE press. And outside of the debates, what positive press is she getting except that she isn't Trump?

he sure did. that free press turned very negative after he won.

of course they claim they simply didn't take him seriously, which allowed his easy path to GOP victory.

once he won, they claim now it is time to take him seriously, so all that free press became critical press.

so I guess it is just a coincidence that Hillary wanted him to win the gop and the DNC wanted him to win the gop, and the media did nothing to stop his victory, but are going all out now to stop his victory.

all just coincidence.

 

[Praxas]

he sure did. that free press turned very negative after he won.

of course they claim they simply didn't take him seriously, which allowed his easy path to GOP victory.

once he won, they claim now it is time to take him seriously, so all that free press became critical press.

so I guess it is just a coincidence that Hillary wanted him to win the gop and the DNC wanted him to win the gop, and the media did nothing to stop his victory, but are going all out now to stop his victory.

all just coincidence.

So you're blaming the Trump victory in the primaries on the media? No, that fault les SQUARELY with the people that voted for him AND the fact he had SO MANY candidates running in the primaries. If it were a two man race in the primaries from the start, between Trump and Kasich or Trump and Cruz, Trump would not be the nominee.

And the fact Hillary wanted Trump to win should have told the Republicans not to vote for Trump, but noooooo, they had to "shake the foundation". Well this is what they get, a Hillary presidency most likely.

 

[ARealConservative]

So you're blaming the Trump victory in the primaries on the media? No, that fault les SQUARELY with the people that voted for him AND the fact he had SO MANY candidates running in the primaries. If it were a two man race in the primaries from the start, between Trump and Kasich or Trump and Cruz, Trump would not be the nominee.

And the fact Hillary wanted Trump to win should have told the Republicans not to vote for Trump, but noooooo, they had to "shake the foundation". Well this is what they get, a Hillary presidency most likely.

The rats in the GOP wanted very badly to control elections as Hillary and her team are still capable of. Sure, they have some of the blame. They thought they could push a Jeb or a Rubio out with the intentions of preserving their status quo at the expense pof the will of the people.

It is always darkest before the dawn. They failed to manipulate elections because the GOP is slightly ahead in course corrections. Trump represents the darkness, but he also represents the dawn. He is a sign that the GOP is unable to manipulate things. Hillary still has the wool over all your eyes. So much wool that you actually think it is an improvement to still live in a cesspool of corruption and dishonest political machinery.

 

[Praxas]

The rats in the GOP wanted very badly to control elections as Hillary and her team are still capable of. Sure, they have some of the blame. They thought they could push a Jeb or a Rubio out with the intentions of preserving their status quo at the expense pof the will of the people.

It is always darkest before the dawn. They failed to manipulate elections because the GOP is slightly ahead in course corrections. Trump represents the darkness, but he also represents the dawn. He is a sign that the GOP is unable to manipulate things. Hillary still has the wool over all your eyes. So much wool that you actually think it is an improvement to still live in a cesspool of corruption and dishonest political machinery.

Trump is a corporate Shill, he outsources, he stiffs contractors, has abused his power, bragged about heinous sexual things, is ill-tempered, and completely unprofessional. and you claim "I" have the wool over my eyes? Sorry but that simply is not correct and I would look in the mirror on that one. Both Trump and Hillary suck, but Hillary sucks less and will do less damage.

The only thing I will agree is that a dawn "is" coming. Hillary will most surely be a one-term president "IF" Republicans decide to nominate an adult.

 

[ocean515]

Trump promises to torture much worse than waterboarding and murder terrorists families too. Those are the threats you should be looking at.

That has no relationship to what I was talking about.

As you know, the Progressive agenda requires a non-believer to be identified, publicly scorned and humiliated, economic destruction, and depending, threats of physical harm.

That offensive is waged against people of all types, not terrorist families.

It's a daily thing.

Of course, you know that.

 

[ashurbanipal]

one point - Liary and the DNC was actually caught cheating the process. rewarding that behavior because you think Trump might do something is not rational or logical.

You have to be pretty careful about saying there's no logic in some series of claims. Sometimes there isn't, but sometimes there is. So, again, two points:

1. It seems to me that Trump has been caught cheating the process, and Republicans generally have been caught cheating the process loads. Every time Trump lies or makes up some claim, he's cheating the process, and he's done that plenty of times. Similarly, when he refuses to release his tax returns, he's also cheating the process.

2. We do things based on what we think will happen all the time, and it's perfectly logical to do so. When I see a car gunning for me at 80 mph, I jump out of the way, because what I think will happen is I will get creamed if I don't. There's obviously some logic in that, just as there is some logic for not voting for someone you think might start a war or do similar horrible stuff. I know Hillary will do horrible stuff...just not as bad as what Trump will do.

In general, the problem I see is that we live in an Oligarchy, not a democracy or republic. But voting for Trump isn't going to change that.

 

[late]

no, the entity behind cheating millions out of honest elections is the worst case.

why even have elections if this is acceptable? the left should stop acting like they care about people voting in fair elections. actions speak louder then words

Want to know the weird thing? Republicans do about 100 times more cheating than the Dems.

They have to.

There's tons of dirty tricks going on right now. Which you'd know about if you paid attention. But this has a very long history. The renewal of the VRA contains hundreds of pages of documented attempts at voter suppression.

That's in the real world, of course.

 

[late]

That has no relationship to what I was talking about.

As you know, the Progressive agenda requires a non-believer to be identified, publicly scorned and humiliated, economic destruction, and depending, threats of physical harm.

That offensive is waged against people of all types, not terrorist families.

It's a daily thing.

Of course, you know that.

If you can't blind them with your brilliance, bury them in BS...

 

[Cable]

You have to be pretty careful about saying there's no logic in some series of claims. Sometimes there isn't, but sometimes there is. So, again, two points:

1. It seems to me that Trump has been caught cheating the process, and Republicans generally have been caught cheating the process loads. Every time Trump lies or makes up some claim, he's cheating the process, and he's done that plenty of times. Similarly, when he refuses to release his tax returns, he's also cheating the process.

2. We do things based on what we think will happen all the time, and it's perfectly logical to do so. When I see a car gunning for me at 80 mph, I jump out of the way, because what I think will happen is I will get creamed if I don't. There's obviously some logic in that, just as there is some logic for not voting for someone you think might start a war or do similar horrible stuff. I know Hillary will do horrible stuff...just not as bad as what Trump will do.

In general, the problem I see is that we live in an Oligarchy, not a democracy or republic. But voting for Trump isn't going to change that.

I agree with you in that no party can seem to put up a candidate that doesn't lie and promise the moon, with no intention of delivering. Trump likely won't build a wall, the illegals here will be given amnesty at some point, and conservatives don't want to believe that. I think they would be wise to embrace it, as those are a serious group of voters, and good people for the most part.

That said, Hillary will do great harm. Really just continue the great harm BO has done in the globalist name.
They want this country torn down and rebuilt in their global image. That isn't what this country is about. Maybe it's the way the world will go. Likely it is, but I don't want to see it happen. It will be a consolidation of power that will destroy the rule of law.
The rebellion will always be those who value the principals this country was founded on: Freedom and liberty. The globalist progressives will destroy this. I don't think Trump is worse than that outcome.

 

[ocean515]

If you can't blind them with your brilliance, bury them in BS...

Well, BS, threats, economic destruction, whatever works for Progressives to force their agenda upon others.

Intolerance is a foundational tenant of Progressivism.

 

[Cable]

Well, BS, threats, economic destruction, whatever works for Progressives to force their agenda upon others.
Intolerance is a foundational tenant of Progressivism.

It is true it seems. Regardless of the integrity of a few Progressives, lying and cheating seem valid means to their end as a party. They know what's best for us and it doesn't matter how we get there.
I think in large part Trump's success has been based on more folks realizing the wickedness that is the Progressive party.

 

[ocean515]

It is true it seems. Regardless of the integrity of a few Progressives, lying and cheating seem valid means to their end as a party. They know what's best for us and it doesn't matter how we get there.
I think in large part Trump's success has been based on more folks realizing the wickedness that is the Progressive party.

IMO, Trump's success has been based on folks realizing the wickedness found in government and the people who run it.

 

[ARealConservative]

Similarly, when he refuses to release his tax returns, he's also cheating the process.

cookoo cookoo

waste too much time with partisan shills on this site

 

[ARealConservative]

Want to know the weird thing? Republicans do about 100 times more cheating than the Dems.

They have to.

There's tons of dirty tricks going on right now. Which you'd know about if you paid attention. But this has a very long history. The renewal of the VRA contains hundreds of pages of documented attempts at voter suppression.

That's in the real world, of course.

I find that highly unlikely. I sense I am quite a bit older then you, what I have learned observing human behavior is the left is far more likely to do anything to push their agenda.

You will be hard pressed to find examples of rampant cheating as was done by LBJ in his political career for example.

 

[late]

I find that highly unlikely. I sense I am quite a bit older then you, what I have learned observing human behavior is the left is far more likely to do anything to push their agenda.

You will be hard pressed to find examples of rampant cheating as was done by LBJ in his political career for example.

first, I am tired and retired...

second, I've done politics, protests, activism, campaigns, and more.

third, I took a lot of history in college, and I know that the Right has periodically suppressed the Left, for over a century. History is awesome, you should try it sometime.

fourth, I know about LBJ's ballot stuffing, if you didn't do that in Texas back then, you would lose. Just like he lost his first run, for that reason. If you want, we can talk about the massive corruption in Texas during the 20th
century. It's a topic I like, want to start with the Texas Oil Cartel?

fifth, thanks for the laugh.

 

[ARealConservative]

first, I am tired and retired...

second, I've done politics, protests, activism, campaigns, and more.

third, I took a lot of history in college, and I know that the Right has periodically suppressed the Left, for over a century. History is awesome, you should try it sometime.

fourth, I know about LBJ's ballot stuffing, if you didn't do that in Texas back then, you would lose. Just like he lost his first run, for that reason. If you want, we can talk about the massive corruption in Texas during the 20th
century. It's a topic I like, want to start with the Texas Oil Cartel?

fifth, thanks for the laugh.

vote suppression is partisan talking points. plain and simple.

if you have to rely on voters too stupid to get an id, that says more about your platform and the totality of losers that hang onto that platform then it does suppression

 

[t4pi0k4]

No true. If you are referring to the Iowa incident, three people in total were identified. One Republican, who received the in depth background exposure, and two Democrats, who receive a casual reference.

I went back to the de Moines register article and there is no information as to whether the last two would-be fraudsters were either democrats or republicans. And the casual reference comes from the fact that to date no arrests have been made except for the Trump supporter
So I guess i've just caught you red-handed adulterating the facts to conjure up yet again a false equivalence.
SAD!

 

[Cable]

first, I am tired and retired...

second, I've done politics, protests, activism, campaigns, and more.

third, I took a lot of history in college, and I know that the Right has periodically suppressed the Left, for over a century. History is awesome, you should try it sometime.

fourth, I know about LBJ's ballot stuffing, if you didn't do that in Texas back then, you would lose. Just like he lost his first run, for that reason. If you want, we can talk about the massive corruption in Texas during the 20th
century. It's a topic I like, want to start with the Texas Oil Cartel?

fifth, thanks for the laugh.

If you actually learn from history instead of studying with an agenda you would know that it is part of human nature to cheat. Both parties have a human nature. So it is foolish to think one cheats and the other never would.
The point of the thread is the actual embracing of cheating and lying by the Progressives as a core methodology. That we can easily see if we look with eyes open.
To say "they do it too" is just deflection. Address it in the Progressive party, as it is very core to it's current method.

 

[late]

If you actually learn from history instead of studying with an agenda you would know that it is part of human nature to cheat. Both parties have a human nature. So it is foolish to think one cheats and the other never would.
The point of the thread is the actual embracing of cheating and lying by the Progressives as a core methodology. That we can easily see if we look with eyes open.
To say "they do it too" is just deflection. Address it in the Progressive party, as it is very core to it's current method.

First, Dems mostly aren't Progressive. They may throw the word around, but that's about it at the moment. I was as surprised as anyone by the success of Sanders in the primaries.

Second, what you are doing there is a false equivalence. Scholastic philosophers used to try and deduce reality, but we prefer to look at what's actually there these days. What's there is no secret, in 2012 a Republican paper admitted demographics were going to shut them out of the presidency, and then things would get really bad.

Third, yesterday, FIVE voter suppression court cases ended with the good guys winning. That's just one freaking day! If you wanted to look, you could find thousands of instances. One place to start is the Re-authorisian of the Voting Rights Act, it has hundreds of pages of documentation.

That's the real world.

 

[ocean515]

I went back to the de Moines register article and there is no information as to whether the last two would-be fraudsters were either democrats or republicans. And the casual reference comes from the fact that to date no arrests have been made except for the Trump supporter
So I guess i've just caught you red-handed adulterating the facts to conjure up yet again a false equivalence.
SAD!

LOL.

Well, let's see. Hillary's Des Moines Register doesn't the bend over and spread'em on the one women, with background pictures, back story, etc..

Nothing what so ever on the other two people. No follow up, no effort to get anything.

2+2=4.

The other two were democrats caught voting twice.

Don't lie about it.

 

[Cable]

First, Dems mostly aren't Progressive. They may throw the word around, but that's about it at the moment. I was as surprised as anyone by the success of Sanders in the primaries.

Second, what you are doing there is a false equivalence. Scholastic philosophers used to try and deduce reality, but we prefer to look at what's actually there these days. What's there is no secret, in 2012 a Republican paper admitted demographics were going to shut them out of the presidency, and then things would get really bad.

Third, yesterday, FIVE voter suppression court cases ended with the good guys winning. That's just one freaking day! If you wanted to look, you could find thousands of instances. One place to start is the Re-authorisian of the Voting Rights Act, it has hundreds of pages of documentation.

That's the real world.

The real world is BO lying about his care package to foist it on us. Hillary and the DNC cheating Sanders. College campuses where a pro-Trump stance gets you beat up or your signs destroyed.

 

[late]

The real world is BO lying about his care package to foist it on us. Hillary and the DNC cheating Sanders.

The real word is Republicans sabotaging the ACA. It's pretending we've ever had truly clean elections.

It's the need to keep lying to keep the Alt-Right crazies on your side.

 

[Cable]

The real word is Republicans sabotaging the ACA. It's pretending we've ever had truly clean elections.

It's the need to keep lying to keep the Alt-Right crazies on your side.

You funny. You can't bare to look at your party.

 

[late]

You funny. You can't bare to look at your party.

I cut my teeth on the 1968 Dem primary, and it's bear, not bare.

You also didn't understand what I wrote.