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Rahm Emanuel creates ‘Trump-free zone’ for students at Chicago schools

trouble13 said:
The parents took a gamble to offer their kids opprotunities they dont have in their country. I wouldnt say they are terrible for doing it. The political tide turned on them and now its time to go home. The bright side is that many of these people will take what they have learned here back home where they can use those things to improve their homeland.

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So easy for you to preach. You ain't the one being threatened with being forced to a country that you can't remember, probably know not much about, may not know the language. Isn't your life, job, social and family network that's being uprooted and destroyed. Please, may I have another helping of that compassionate conservatism?
 
HenryChinaski said:
So easy for you to preach. You ain't the one being threatened with being forced to a country that you can't remember, probably know not much about, may not know the language. Isn't your life, job, social and family network that's being uprooted and destroyed. Please, may I have another helping of that compassionate conservatism?
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No one's denying that's a terrible situation, but the children's parents put them in that position, not the government, not DJT.
 
Renae said:
Do you understand that ignorance of the law is no defense?
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More of your ignorant drivel. A child can not be held ignorant of the law, nor can be found guilty of braking the law when not doing anything of their free will or even indifference.
 
Renae said:
No one's denying that's a terrible situation, but the children's parents put them in that position, not the government, not DJT.
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A terrible situation that you wholeheartedly support. People that are able to experience sympathy, compassion and are able to see others POVs don't support horrible plights that don't need to be.
 
prometeus said:
More of your ignorant drivel. A child can not be held ignorant of the law, nor can be found guilty of braking the law when not doing anything of their free will or even indifference.
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Doesn't change their illegal status no matter how you feel about it.
 
HenryChinaski said:
A terrible situation that you wholeheartedly support. People that are able to experience sympathy, compassion and are able to see others POVs don't support horrible plights that don't need to be.
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I support upholding our national sovereignty.
 
Renae said:
Schools receive federal funding. That is the legal reasoning that prevents say, a school prayer before a football game. Suddenly that doesn't apply to enforcing immigration?

LOL.
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Well, considering that the constitution is about states rights, it's actually upholding it.

Federal dollars can't go to supporting something unconstitutional. The federal government can't compel states to enforce federal immigration law. Both of these are upholding the constitution.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Well, considering that the constitution is about states rights, it's actually upholding it.

Federal dollars can't go to supporting something unconstitutional. The federal government can't compel states to enforce federal immigration law. Both of these are upholding the constitution.
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A school also cannot provide resources to someone not entitled to said resources...
 
trouble13 said:
The quote in the OP sounds as if he is offering them immunity that he does not have the authority to offer.

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That's correct. Individuals, localities, states, or Presidents do not have legal authority to pick and choose the laws they wish to honor. That they get by with it is a bad reflection on our current political climate.
 
jimbo said:
That's correct. Individuals, localities, states, or Presidents do not have legal authority to pick and choose the laws they wish to honor. That they get by with it is a bad reflection on our current political climate.
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States and localities don't have to use their police forces to enforce federal immigration law. I don't know how many times I have to say that.
 
Renae said:
A school also cannot provide resources to someone not entitled to said resources...
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It isn't the purview of the Chicago DOE to investigate potential violations of federal immigration laws. Further, Plyler vs. Doe determined that undocumented children and young adults have the same right to attend public primary and secondary schools as do U.S. citizens and permanent residents. So you're actually completely wrong on this one.
 
Renae said:
I support upholding our national sovereignty.
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This situation ain't ain't black and white. People's livelihoods are at stake. I'm done with you. You're Mr Spock without any of the logic.
 
Renae said:
Doesn't change their illegal status no matter how you feel about it.
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How I feel about it is irrelevant and no amount or ignorant drivel from you changes the fact that they are not guilty of anything. They are undocumented, do not have a defined legal status but there is still nothing illegal about them.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
It isn't the purview of the Chicago DOE to investigate potential violations of federal immigration laws. Further, Plyler vs. Doe determined that undocumented children and young adults have the same right to attend public primary and secondary schools as do U.S. citizens and permanent residents. So you're actually completely wrong on this one.
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That needs to be changed then. Stupid rulings based on emotion are still stupid. Rham's comments are however the focus of this thread, and they were terrible.
 
HenryChinaski said:
This situation ain't ain't black and white. People's livelihoods are at stake. I'm done with you. You're Mr Spock without any of the logic.
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I know people's livelihoods are at stake. But you keep wanting to shift the blame for the cause of their dire straights to a politically beneficial and guilt clearing place instead of facing reality.
 
prometeus said:
Right, because "the dreamers" are the biggest threat to it.:lamo:lamo:lamo
How do you come up with such stupid reasoning?
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Didn't say they were the biggest threats, I stated my reason for supporting the end of illegal immigration in all it's forms is to STRENGTHEN our Sovereignty. My reasoning is quite sound, yours... not so much.
 
prometeus said:
How I feel about it is irrelevant and no amount or ignorant drivel from you changes the fact that they are not guilty of anything. They are undocumented, do not have a defined legal status but there is still nothing illegal about them.
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They are illegal immigrants, whose status should be "Deported".
 
Renae said:
Didn't say they were the biggest threats
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But since the dreamers are no threat at all, you are only displaying ignorance and bigorty.

I stated my reason for supporting the end of illegal immigration
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Actually I am against illegal immigration too, but since the dreamers are not part of that problem I, unlike you, do not make stupid comments about them.

My reasoning is quite sound, yours... not so much.
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Please do not elude yourself, you have no reasoning, only ignorance and that sound is just the emptiness in your arguments.
 
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I was born in Germany, 14 years ago we had a house fire and my original birth certificate was lost for 13 years. During that time I would have had one hell of a time proving I was a citizen. I would have been able to with a lot of time and expense. I would have had zero chance of being able to function had I been deported.
 
Renae said:
They are illegal immigrants
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They are not illegal immigrants no matter how may times you repeat that stupidity.
As for the idea of deportation, as I said it takes a very special type to punish someone for no action of their own. You are in special company.
 
Do you know what can change their legal status? A bill passed by our Congress signed into law by our President. It's that simple. President Trump was nothing short of brilliant in his handling of DACA. President Obama signed DACA with the plan that the Congress actually address it with law. They didn't. Now Trump has tossed that political grenade right into their wheelhouse. The Democrats and Republicans in Congress will be facing primary elections right about the time that DACA sunsets if no action is taken. Talk about a mess? Not passing a bill on this could renew calls for draining the swamp in those primaries.
 
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