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RACIST: What's in a name?

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“racist” and “racism”
The term “racist” was invented by the German-Jewish homosexual rights activist Magnus Hirschfeld. He was also a Marxist and a leading member of the notorious Frankfurt School. He theorized that the term “racist” could be used to demonize the political enemies of the left. The word is designed so that there is no real way to defend yourself against charges of “racism.”

It is clear that Magnus Hirschfeld himself harbored deep ideological, professional, and personal animosities against those to whom he applied the word, and those animosities may have extended to the entire society that throughout his career he associated with sexual repression and which he wanted replaced by a kind of global communism under the label of “Pan-Humanism.” Whatever the flaws or virtues of his polemic against “racism,” his own opposition to racial consciousness was neither entirely rational nor disinterested. It is time that the enemies of racial, national, and cultural consciousness like Hirschfeld and the Frankfurt School cease to be able to claim a monopoly on rationality and sanity and that the obsessions and motivations that seem to shape their own ideologies and political behavior be subjected to the same scrutiny they apply to the societies and peoples whom their thinking could destroy.
 
Or, you know, the term "racist" could apply to people who harbor irrational prejudices on the basis of extremely superficial physical differences between human ethnotypes.

You know, like the definition.
 
falconduler said:
“racist” and “racism”
The term “racist” was invented by the German-Jewish homosexual rights activist Magnus Hirschfeld. He was also a Marxist and a leading member of the notorious Frankfurt School. He theorized that the term “racist” could be used to demonize the political enemies of the left. The word is designed so that there is no real way to defend yourself against charges of “racism.”

It is clear that Magnus Hirschfeld himself harbored deep ideological, professional, and personal animosities against those to whom he applied the word, and those animosities may have extended to the entire society that throughout his career he associated with sexual repression and which he wanted replaced by a kind of global communism under the label of “Pan-Humanism.” Whatever the flaws or virtues of his polemic against “racism,” his own opposition to racial consciousness was neither entirely rational nor disinterested. It is time that the enemies of racial, national, and cultural consciousness like Hirschfeld and the Frankfurt School cease to be able to claim a monopoly on rationality and sanity and that the obsessions and motivations that seem to shape their own ideologies and political behavior be subjected to the same scrutiny they apply to the societies and peoples whom their thinking could destroy.
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Oh man, I love the way there are always these dark origin stories that can be traced back to Marxist Jews.
 
falconduler said:
“racist” and “racism”
The term “racist” was invented by the German-Jewish homosexual rights activist Magnus Hirschfeld. He was also a Marxist and a leading member of the notorious Frankfurt School. He theorized that the term “racist” could be used to demonize the political enemies of the left. The word is designed so that there is no real way to defend yourself against charges of “racism.”

It is clear that Magnus Hirschfeld himself harbored deep ideological, professional, and personal animosities against those to whom he applied the word, and those animosities may have extended to the entire society that throughout his career he associated with sexual repression and which he wanted replaced by a kind of global communism under the label of “Pan-Humanism.” Whatever the flaws or virtues of his polemic against “racism,” his own opposition to racial consciousness was neither entirely rational nor disinterested. It is time that the enemies of racial, national, and cultural consciousness like Hirschfeld and the Frankfurt School cease to be able to claim a monopoly on rationality and sanity and that the obsessions and motivations that seem to shape their own ideologies and political behavior be subjected to the same scrutiny they apply to the societies and peoples whom their thinking could destroy.
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What he argued is different that you suggest. His argument is that it is not "race" that is actually what unites and separates people. Rather, it is community, social, economic and other practical basis, and that people try to use race, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc are "racists," which he described as fundamentally false and evil. Thus, yes, he claimed that "racists" are evil. Who now believes being racist is a good thing? But until the 1800s, racism, racial discrimination and conflict between races was considered a correct norm.
 
From what I am finding the etymology seems to be from the French word racisme, which first appeard in 1902. It replaced racialist. It was first used around 1935 to describe Nazi race theories. Hirscheld wrote a book/essay that was translated into English and titled Racism in 1938. Not much sign that that popularized it. The connection to Hirschfeld seems to be made by Nazi by sympathizers and is likely based on his ethnic heritage, political views and the fact that he was supportive of homosexuality.

It is pretty common for the neo-Nazis to try to attack a concept by packaging it with other ideas that they find distasteful. That's part of the reason why I like to celebrate gay culture even though I am straight. I don't know why everybody has to hate Groucho just because Zeppo was such an idiot.

Racist | Define Racist at Dictionary.com
racisme - Wiktionary
 
falconduler said:
“racist” and “racism”
The term “racist” was invented by the German-Jewish homosexual rights activist Magnus Hirschfeld. He was also a Marxist and a leading member of the notorious Frankfurt School. He theorized that the term “racist” could be used to demonize the political enemies of the left. The word is designed so that there is no real way to defend yourself against charges of “racism.”

It is clear that Magnus Hirschfeld himself harbored deep ideological, professional, and personal animosities against those to whom he applied the word, and those animosities may have extended to the entire society that throughout his career he associated with sexual repression and which he wanted replaced by a kind of global communism under the label of “Pan-Humanism.” Whatever the flaws or virtues of his polemic against “racism,” his own opposition to racial consciousness was neither entirely rational nor disinterested. It is time that the enemies of racial, national, and cultural consciousness like Hirschfeld and the Frankfurt School cease to be able to claim a monopoly on rationality and sanity and that the obsessions and motivations that seem to shape their own ideologies and political behavior be subjected to the same scrutiny they apply to the societies and peoples whom their thinking could destroy.
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falconduler said:
“racist” and “racism”
The term “racist” was invented by the German-Jewish homosexual rights activist Magnus Hirschfeld. He was also a Marxist and a leading member of the notorious Frankfurt School. He theorized that the term “racist” could be used to demonize the political enemies of the left. The word is designed so that there is no real way to defend yourself against charges of “racism.”

It is clear that Magnus Hirschfeld himself harbored deep ideological, professional, and personal animosities against those to whom he applied the word, and those animosities may have extended to the entire society that throughout his career he associated with sexual repression and which he wanted replaced by a kind of global communism under the label of “Pan-Humanism.” Whatever the flaws or virtues of his polemic against “racism,” his own opposition to racial consciousness was neither entirely rational nor disinterested. It is time that the enemies of racial, national, and cultural consciousness like Hirschfeld and the Frankfurt School cease to be able to claim a monopoly on rationality and sanity and that the obsessions and motivations that seem to shape their own ideologies and political behavior be subjected to the same scrutiny they apply to the societies and peoples whom their thinking could destroy.
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This post is too stupid to even make fun of.
 
I wonder why someone would make such a post?
 
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falconduler, I wonder if the late Samuel Francis would have appreciated you copying and pasting his words without giving due credit. Francis might have been an asshole but so are plagiarists.
 
falconduler said:
“racist” and “racism”
He (Magnus Hirschfeld) theorized that the term “racist” could be used to demonize the political enemies of the left. .
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Gotta wonder if the loons on here will interrupt their infantile ridicule long enough to actually attempt to argue that the above statement is not true beyond any boundaries that Hirschfeld could have dreamed of. What an enormously successful (and diabolical) scheme.

Would there even be a Democrat party if they could not label all who disagree with their nonsense as "Racist?"
 
^ wow a righty defending de facto neonazi propaganda from stormfront. Whatashockah
 
falconduler said:
“racist” and “racism”
The term “racist” was invented by the German-Jewish homosexual rights activist Magnus Hirschfeld.
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If its any consulation when I first read this claim, years ago, I didnt immediately question it & it wasnt until someone proved it was a myth that I realized it was just propoganda & that Hirschfeld didnt actually coin the word & therefore all the rest of the spiel was propoganda too, not that it should make much difference anyway though as no matter who coined the phrase its defenition has altered many times over the years.
 
Ray410 said:
Gotta wonder if the loons on here will interrupt their infantile ridicule long enough to actually attempt to argue that the above statement is not true beyond any boundaries that Hirschfeld could have dreamed of. What an enormously successful (and diabolical) scheme.

Would there even be a Democrat party if they could not label all who disagree with their nonsense as "Racist?"
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I am not a Democrat and don't use the word to argue against enemies of the left. I use it to argue against and identify racists. You and the Nazis are the ones making the association.
 
its interesting watching the racists trying to socially outlaw being called racists and trying to make calling a racist a racist politically incorrect.
 
joko104 said:
What he argued is different that you suggest. His argument is that it is not "race" that is actually what unites and separates people. Rather, it is community, social, economic and other practical basis, and that people try to use race, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc are "racists," which he described as fundamentally false and evil. Thus, yes, he claimed that "racists" are evil. Who now believes being racist is a good thing? But until the 1800s, racism, racial discrimination and conflict between races was considered a correct norm.
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Good points.... I think many also seem to forget that racism is ALSO the belief that all members of a particular group that shares skin color, or religion, etc, will all act, think, and feel the same way about any given situation. It is the removal of the individual in place of the collective.

Inherantly terms like "the black community" or "the arab world" are as racist as anything else. I wish more people would see that for what it is....
 
armor99 said:
I think many also seem to forget that racism is ALSO the belief that all members of a particular group that shares skin color, or religion, etc, will all act, think, and feel the same way about any given situation. Inherently terms like "the black community" or "the arab world" are as racist as anything else. .
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I wonder who those in the black community are voting for in this election.
 
Indeed. First of all, science rejects the "race" classification among humans. Its a faulty description of humans that is residual from colonial attempts at proto-anthropology and big business (slave trade and imperialism) and considered as faulty as 18th century physics or medicine today. Its inventing categories on as equally simplistic grounds as dividing people up according to whether they like sweet or salt food or are left or right-handed and then attributing a load of irrelevant properties to their sweet or salt preferences. Visual signals, such as skin color, are generally a psychologically very powerful signal to the human brain, irrespective of whether the signals are, in fact, relevant, or are being read correctly or incorrectly by the brain. Thus, being a "racist" does not confirm the concept of human races but indicates that that individual thinks this 18th century concept is correct. (in fact, most of the time people think of racial groups, theyre actually thinking of linguistic groups which has nothing to do with genes at all)

Secondly, science is just as equally aware (of course) that people use coded language all the time and that muslim and arab are interchangeable terms depending on who's listening. Only dumbasses think nobody gets their transparent, PC-adapted descriptions. "n**g**r" can easily be switched for "inner city welfare recipients" or whatever term you like and all the racists know exactly that this is code for "n**g**s", etc. Its amusing that these people are so dumb that they think they can fool the scientific world with such cheap and see-through tricks

Small brained individual who's used to being able to fool his kid sister easily: "I didnt say n*g**r, I said 'inner city welfare recipients', so I cant be racist!!!"

Science: "lol, yeah, you really got us there...yawn"
 
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Ray410 said:
I wonder who those in the black community are voting for in this election.
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Those who have traded their individuality for the embrace of the collective. And in so doing.... have placed chains about themselves.
 
Panopticon said:
Indeed. First of all, science rejects the "race" classification among humans.
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Thats almost as faulty as the OP.

Some scientist feel that race is not a useful, or accurate classification, however other scientist actually disagree & race is routinely used on a daily basis in medicine & science because, despite being a clumsy divide it can be usefull to them (& I'm sure the many people, of many races, who have benefited from that fact are not offended).

As for race being a man made construction, well its impossible to deny, all classifications are man made, I mean theres no one else to make them is there?

Nature doesnt just pop up & say here's a horse, here's a zebra, or here's a hippo, man makes those decisions and he does so despite the fact theyre fuzzy, & there are overlaps & he does it because it can be useful.

Believing in race doesnt automatically mean you believe in slavery, or other outdated thinking, & whilst some might call me racist for this post, & the acknowledgement of race, thats using a perverted meaning of the word, just it would be, for example, if used against a medical researcher in the field of stress, who may well be using race, due to observable differences, in their quest to improve mans quality of life.

I can understand peoples repulsion at bigoted and offensive racism, but I cant understand those who retreat to the other end of the spectrum into the land of the absurd.

Yes, race is a crude, man made classification, yes, its been grossly misused, yes, its redundant in many circumstances, & many scientists say as much, but is there really a need to throw the baby out with the bath water?
 
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