Racial uproar explodes among 2020 Democrats as rivals attack Biden for comments about segregationist

[bomberfox]

Nope. You have been sod and idea built from a throw away comment that is simply not born out by the actual realities of Southern Politics. The move away from Southern Democrats is connected to several changes in the Democrat party that had nothing to do with race. In fact, for the Southern Strategy to be a thing, you'd have to assume that Southern Democrats raced away from the party of Jim Crow and to the party of the CRA... an insane pretense on its face. What actually started to turn the South red are the following:

1) The aging out of the old southern Democrat population. In fact, the South wasn't dependably Republican until decades after Nixon, and the move had been happening for decades prior. If the Southern Strategy was an actual thing you'd think it wouldn't take all the Jim Crow democrats to retire or die off before it was successful. Republicans didn't hold the majority of Southern state seats in Congress until 1994, and the southern states in Presidential Elections flip flopped between Democrat and Republican the whole time.

2) Religious opposition to Democrats championing of abortion. This is STILL a major hurdle for Democrats in the south. While the Jim Crow Democrats died off, the faith of the South didn't, and the Democrats were not a party of faith, and more specifically Christian values, for the last 40 years. This is really the #1 reason they lost the South, and will likely be the #1 reason they will eventually lose the black vote.

3) National pride: Another big push by the Democrats was to embrace the Anti-War movement, which was not shared by the majority in the southern states, including supporting amnesty for draft dodging, which conservatives of all regions were opposed to.

4) Second Amendment.. Southerners love their guns, Democrats haven't supported the Second Amendment in decades.

The whole idea of secret dog whistle code is a contrived bit of nonsense pushed by Democrats to try and scandalize their losses in the south. Did it fool people? Sure, you are a shining example. But that doesn't mean it was real. There is no way to rationalize any racism strategy by the Republicans given that the Jim Crow democrats largely remained Democrat their whole career, and real change in the South only happened after they left politics or died off.

Somehow the Democrats created the impression that the party of Jim Crow and the KKK were the party that supported the black voter. What the black voter got was crippling welfare dependency and 40% of black pregnancies ending in abortion.

Take it up with Lee Atwater. He admitted it and admitted to using dog whistles. Stop lying.

 

[bomberfox]

Biden is lying.

I said that.... like wtf else do you want me to say?

 

[Trump]

I said that.... like wtf else do you want me to say?

Just backing you up BF.....lighten up Francis:2wave:

 

[vegas giants]

Biden is lying.

Mexico will pay for the wall!!!!!

 

[bomberfox]

Just backing you up BF.....lighten up Francis:2wave:

My mistake. Thank you. Its been pretty hard to lately.

 

[bomberfox]

Right!

This is why today it is the Southern Republicans who use traditional rhetoric linked to Southern Democrats of the past.

Yep. Its not hard to figure out why there was a major ideological shift. Hell republicans are using the rhetoric of democrats pre-progressive era.

 

[Trump]

Mexico will pay for the wall!!!!!

Biden thread focus.....:doh

 

[vegas giants]

Biden thread focus.....:doh

Grab em by the p###y

 

[bomberfox]

Grab em by the p###y

Biden thread man. Resist the temptation to deflect

 

[Trump]

I agree with Maher's comment that Joe Biden is a "typewriter", and we don't need a new typewriter.

Maher also said Oprah should run....sounds like Maher doesn’t like any Dem candidate so far

What’s wrong with Tulsi? Nobody talks about her

 

[Athanasius68]

You mean Johnson's Great Society? Because it was Johnson who signed the Civil Rights Act and gave an opportunity to the republicans to drive a wedge in the South and make it a bastion of conservatism.

The segregationist were big time supporters of the Great Society programs.

 

[D_NATURED]

Empirical evidence disagrees with your assessment. Republicans give far more to charities than Democrats. You will also find far more Republicans volunteering for charitable organisations.

Mitt Romney giving millions to the Mormon church or some old Republican lady giving money to some televangelist is NOT charity. Besides, we're talking about policy here. Republican policy and conservative SCOTUS rulings, like Citizens United, is shameless fascism and makes money the only factor in American politics. So, no, repubs are not more charitable and they DO support anti-democratic policies.

The empiracle evidence is that conservatives have corrupted this democracy with the most glaring shameless institutions of greed and the average Republican at home can share the blame for not paying attention to what kinds of monstrous policies are enacted in their names.

 

[jmotivator]

I won't??? Which one of us is trying to tell black people how to vote. You sir.

Nope, still not telling them how to vote, just pointing out what their vote is doing for them... less than nothing.

I got you beat. 30 years in social services. Now retired. Dont try to tell me how the system works. Just name for me a successful country without a strong social welfare program. You cant.

A bogus argument, because I can name many horrendous countries to with robust social programs. I got out of the business after a decade because I couldn't lie to myself about the efficacy of the American welfare system anymore... you appear to be better at it than I was.

You want to stand on that plantation porch and explain to all the poor black people what they are doing wrong.

Well, on;y that they should be walking off the plantation...

Its racist and insulting

No, see, I realize that in the absence of an argument all you have is the "RACIST!!" parlor trick, but it doesn't work. I don't think ANYONE should be voting Democrat. I think they lie to everyone, including themselves. Saying that blacks shouldn't vote Democrat is an inclusive statement in the "everyone" group, not a divisive statement like those made by the Democrats.

 

[vegas giants]

Nope, still not telling them how to vote, just pointing out what their vote is doing for them... less than nothing.



A bogus argument, because I can name many horrendous countries to with robust social programs. I got out of the business after a decade because I couldn't lie to myself about the efficacy of the American welfare system anymore... you appear to be better at it than I was.



Well, on;y that they should be walking off the plantation...



No, see, I realize that in the absence of an argument all you have is the "RACIST!!" parlor trick, but it doesn't work. I don't think ANYONE should be voting Democrat. I think they lie to everyone, including themselves. Saying that blacks shouldn't vote Democrat is an inclusive statement in the "everyone" group, not a divisive statement like those made by the Democrats.

You can not name a single successful country without a strong social welfare program. It cant be done. Look at any country without one....they are failed states. It is a recipe for disaster.

I scream racism when I see racism. I also scream fire when I see a fire.

 

[jmotivator]

You missed the history class about the suppression of the black vote during that time or the intimidation of blacks by KKK and such organizations...

There was a reason we needed to have a Voting Rights Act in 1965

Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Wikipedia

No, I didn't miss that. You do realize, though, that before and after the CRA that blacks voted Democrat, right? For the voter suppression to be the cause of Black votes pre-CRA then we should see a move towards Republicans after CRA... except we don't. We certainly have more blacks voting after CRA, but the favored party didn't change.

 

[jmotivator]

Uh huh.

That's a mighty fine argument. :roll:

 

[tres borrachos]

No, I didn't miss that. You do realize, though, that before and after the CRA that blacks voted Democrat, right? For the voter suppression to be the cause of Black votes pre-CRA then we should see a move towards Republicans after CRA... except we don't. We certainly have more blacks voting after CRA, but the favored party didn't change.

Which CRA are you talking about? The Community Reinvestment Act?

 

[Trump]

Which CRA are you talking about? The Community Reinvestment Act?

think bigger

CIVIL RIGHTS ACT

 

[jmotivator]

And all those southern conservatives today who hold Confederate flags and talk about state rights have nothing to do with the rhetoric of Southern Democrats. All these people are directly linked to the republican ideology of Lincoln! :roll:

"All of them" you say? It's a fine stereotype you have there, chief.

Get out of here and go to a stand-up comedy club to tell your jokes...

And do not confuse the decisions of Southern Democrat politicians who had to take many things in consideration in order to change party (such as losing seniority advantages or such as having zero chances to beat republican opponents) to the decision of regular folks to change their political affiliation.

HAHAHAHAH!! Poor segregationists Democrats and their... [checks notes]... inability to change parties. :roll:

That is comedy club material, right there. :lamo

I mean seriously, who do you think kept voting those Democrats into office until 1994? You are saying that the majority of the Southern white voters switched to Republican.... and then voted Democrat? :roll:

 

[jmotivator]

Take it up with Lee Atwater. He admitted it and admitted to using dog whistles. Stop lying.

Well, no, Lee Atwater in that famous quote was describing the state of Southern politics WHEN THE DEMOCRATS HELD THE SOUTH. He had nothing at all to do with the Nixon campaign, and in that very interview he stated that his goal was to move southern politics out of the Democrat racist paradigm and in to a post racial environment that focused on economics, and that race was moving out of prominence in the south, and economics concerns were rising.

It is pretty funny to see that in Atwater's attrociously stated arguments regarding moving the South past race he was using "forced busing" as one of the code words used post-CRA to appeal to Southern Racists when we know that the party that was fighting forced busing were the Democrats, and the guy leading the charge was... Joe Biden.

 

[jmotivator]

You can not name a single successful country without a strong social welfare program. It cant be done. Look at any country without one....they are failed states. It is a recipe for disaster.

I never made that argument so nice straw man, chief. All social programs are not created equal. Democrats programs suck, and do nothing but create dependence. That isn't an argument against "Social Programs" as a whole, only against the kinds of social programs championed by the nutters in the DNC.

I scream racism when I see racism. I also scream fire when I see a fire.

I know you do, my point is that it's a defense mechanism you use when you are cornered and lacking a sound argument. I think everyone should stop voting for the Democrat party. They are a division, corrupt, and delusional party whose policy hurt more than they help.

 

[jmotivator]

Which CRA are you talking about? The Community Reinvestment Act?

The Civil Rights Act. I assumed that would be obvious in the context of 1960s race politics....

 

[vegas giants]

I never made that argument so nice straw man, chief. All social programs are not created equal. Democrats programs suck, and do nothing but create dependence. That isn't an argument against "Social Programs" as a whole, only against the kinds of social programs championed by the nutters in the DNC.



I know you do, my point is that it's a defense mechanism you use when you are cornered and lacking a sound argument. I think everyone should stop voting for the Democrat party. They are a division, corrupt, and delusional party whose policy hurt more than they help.

What the hell is a Democrat program? My God this is just nonsense. You make this global statement about how blacks are dependent on social programs then you bail on your own argument. You are all over the map.

Defense mechanism? If someone is being racist you should get defensive. You want blacks to just roll over when they see racism? My god

 

[jmotivator]

What the hell is a Democrat program? My God this is just nonsense. You make this global statement about how blacks are dependent on social programs then you bail on your own argument. You are all over the map.

All poor people are dependent on government social programs. The system in the US creates welfare cliffs where getting a job or a raise can end up making you worse off than before you got a raise, or a job. Pennsylvania ran a study a while back that found that the sweet spot for the welfare recipient was around $29k in income... if they hit $30k in income they would not surpass their effective spending power they had at $29k again until they earned $69k.

We see this play out over and over again, most recently in cities and states that implement a $15 minimum wage with many on working welfare opting for fewer hours to stay below a target wage to keep welfare.

Defense mechanism? If someone is being racist you should get defensive. You want blacks to just roll over when they see racism? My god

I'm not being racist, though. The only person here trying to argue a skin color imperative for voting Democrat is you... and that is because you think that blacks need Democrats to succeed, which is itself a Democrat racist dog whistle.

 

[vegas giants]

All poor people are dependent on government social programs. The system in the US creates welfare cliffs where getting a job or a raise can end up making you worse off than before you got a raise, or a job. Pennsylvania ran a study a while back that found that the sweet spot for the welfare recipient was around $29k in income... if they hit $30k in income they would not surpass their effective spending power they had at $29k again until they earned $69k.

We see this play out over and over again, most recently in cities and states that implement a $15 minimum wage with many on working welfare opting for fewer hours to stay below a target wage to keep welfare.



I'm not being racist, though. The only person here trying to argue a skin color imperative for voting Democrat is you... and that is because you think that blacks need Democrats to succeed, which is itself a Democrat racist dog whistle.

You remain all over the map. Social programs are bad....except every successful country has them. You can almost see how successful a country by how many social programs it has. The people are happy and live a great standard of living. Now go the opposite way. Wow that is true too. The less social programs....the more likely to be a hellhole. Your argument fails.

I never said blacks need Democrats. You are lying. I said they vote for them.....by choice. You can lie if you want but I will call you on it