Question for Republicans: Did Reagan get it right?

[Smeagol]

An interesting observation I've made is that of the iconic status holds among the GOP faithful while at the same time history shows he took many positions today's GOP faithful oppose.

- He gave millions of undocumented immigrants amnesty. Rubio in 2009: Reagan made a mistake with 1986 amnesty | The Daily Caller
- He signed the Martin Luther King federal holiday into law. Ronald Reagan: Remarks on Signing the Bill Making the Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr., a National Holiday
- He supported statehood for Puerto Rico. Ronald Reagan: Statement Reaffirming Support of Statehood for Puerto Rico
- He repeatedly raised the debt ceiling. Guess who raised the debt ceiling 17 times? - The Washington Post

For those who oppose some or all of these measures but at the same time hold President Reagan in the highest esteem, do you think President Reagan was wrong? Was it a different time so therefore their support then is different than their support now? Where they wrong to support then and still wrong to support now but his good outweighs the bad? Where you unaware of his position of on these issues? Do you call into question the accuracy of his alleged support for these issues?

 

[TheNextEra]

For those who oppose some or all of these measures but at the same time hold President Reagan in the highest esteem, do you think President Reagan was wrong? Was it a different time so therefore their support then is different than their support now? Where they wrong to support then and still wrong to support now but his good outweighs the bad? Where you unaware of his position of on these issues? Do you call into question the accuracy of his alleged support for these issues?

I think it was wrong in the sense that it set a precidence that if you have an immigration problem long enough, it will just solve itself out with amnesty which is the inccorrect thinking.

After really looking at the immigration process it DOES need reform. It takes waaay to long to legally do and it is quite expensive. There needs to be effort to shorten the waiting time to get people through.

There also needs to be HEAVY enforcement of illegal imimgration laws already on the books. If a company gets caught more than once, they need to be seriously hit with a financial crippling fine to make sure they don't do it again. As long as there are companies that will hire illegals, there will be people that will come here illegally.

 

[Dittohead not!]

An interesting observation I've made is that of the iconic status holds among the GOP faithful while at the same time history shows he took many positions today's GOP faithful oppose.

- He gave millions of undocumented immigrants amnesty. Rubio in 2009: Reagan made a mistake with 1986 amnesty | The Daily Caller
- He signed the Martin Luther King federal holiday into law. Ronald Reagan: Remarks on Signing the Bill Making the Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr., a National Holiday
- He supported statehood for Puerto Rico. Ronald Reagan: Statement Reaffirming Support of Statehood for Puerto Rico
- He repeatedly raised the debt ceiling. Guess who raised the debt ceiling 17 times? - The Washington Post

For those who oppose some or all of these measures but at the same time hold President Reagan in the highest esteem, do you think President Reagan was wrong? Was it a different time so therefore their support then is different than their support now? Where they wrong to support then and still wrong to support now but his good outweighs the bad? Where you unaware of his position of on these issues? Do you call into question the accuracy of his alleged support for these issues?

Kind of makes him look like one of those dang liberals, doesn't it?

Add in the Iran Contra affair (out of the loop?) and the S and L deregulation and bailout, and you're left with a idol with feet of clay.

I actually voted for Reagan in '80 in the belief that he would cut back the size and power of the federal government. When that didn't happen, I didn't vote for him again in '84, not that it mattered.

 

[ocean515]

An interesting observation I've made is that of the iconic status holds among the GOP faithful while at the same time history shows he took many positions today's GOP faithful oppose.

- He gave millions of undocumented immigrants amnesty. Rubio in 2009: Reagan made a mistake with 1986 amnesty | The Daily Caller
- He signed the Martin Luther King federal holiday into law. Ronald Reagan: Remarks on Signing the Bill Making the Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr., a National Holiday
- He supported statehood for Puerto Rico. Ronald Reagan: Statement Reaffirming Support of Statehood for Puerto Rico
- He repeatedly raised the debt ceiling. Guess who raised the debt ceiling 17 times? - The Washington Post

For those who oppose some or all of these measures but at the same time hold President Reagan in the highest esteem, do you think President Reagan was wrong? Was it a different time so therefore their support then is different than their support now? Where they wrong to support then and still wrong to support now but his good outweighs the bad? Where you unaware of his position of on these issues? Do you call into question the accuracy of his alleged support for these issues?

Hind sight is 20/20 vision. So what's the point?

No amnesty today, because it's obvious the country got screwed in '86, and will be screwed again. Run illegals out of the country.

Puerto Rico? Finances have changed, and it could be another drain on the Feds coffers to succumb to their wish for statehood.

Debt ceiling? Why even go there? Considering where we are today, what's Reagan got to do with it?

 

[fmw]

The problem is that while different political parties say different things, they do the same things when they are in power. I truly amazes me that people are fooled by this stuff.

 

[TheNextEra]

The problem is that while different political parties say different things, they do the same things when they are in power. I truly amazes me that people are fooled by this stuff.

The Dem/Rep duopoly is completely corrupt. The two parties have effectively made rules that seriously hampers any third party from even entering the game.

The whole "best of two evils" methos is still voting for evil. Don't understand how people can be so stupid as to keep voting in the same kinds of people expecting different results.

 

[mpg]

You don't have to agree with someone 100% to like them. Don't pretend that you didn't know that. This is a dishonest thread.

 

[TeleKat]

An interesting observation I've made is that of the iconic status holds among the GOP faithful while at the same time history shows he took many positions today's GOP faithful oppose.

- He gave millions of undocumented immigrants amnesty. Rubio in 2009: Reagan made a mistake with 1986 amnesty | The Daily Caller
- He signed the Martin Luther King federal holiday into law. Ronald Reagan: Remarks on Signing the Bill Making the Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr., a National Holiday
- He supported statehood for Puerto Rico. Ronald Reagan: Statement Reaffirming Support of Statehood for Puerto Rico
- He repeatedly raised the debt ceiling. Guess who raised the debt ceiling 17 times? - The Washington Post

For those who oppose some or all of these measures but at the same time hold President Reagan in the highest esteem, do you think President Reagan was wrong? Was it a different time so therefore their support then is different than their support now? Where they wrong to support then and still wrong to support now but his good outweighs the bad? Where you unaware of his position of on these issues? Do you call into question the accuracy of his alleged support for these issues?

He had an "R" next to his name and that's all that matters and all that has ever mattered. If Barack Obama had ran as a Republican he'd be the newest champion of the GOP. But, because he ran as a Democrat, he is Hitler reincarnated.

 

[TeleKat]

You don't have to agree with someone 100% to like them. Don't pretend that you didn't know that. This is a dishonest thread.

Self-proclaimed Reagan worshiper, I presume? Here's the deal: Reagan was the epitome of everything the Republicans claim to hate. He was fiscally irresponsible, he supported amnesty, he created several new federal departments, and even supported gun control legislation. But, because he was a Republican, that made it all okay. Same with Bush and pretty much every other Republican President we've ever had. It's called hypocrisy.

 

[mpg]

Self-proclaimed Reagan worshiper, I presume? Here's the deal: Reagan was the epitome of everything the Republicans claim to hate. He was fiscally irresponsible, he supported amnesty, he created several new federal departments, and even supported gun control legislation. But, because he was a Republican, that made it all okay. Same with Bush and pretty much every other Republican President we've ever had. It's called hypocrisy.

If it was that simple, every Republican POTUS would be worshiped by the GOP. Neither of the Bushes are popular.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

He had an "R" next to his name and that's all that matters and all that has ever mattered. If Barack Obama had ran as a Republican he'd be the newest champion of the GOP. But, because he ran as a Democrat, he is Hitler reincarnated.

I actually like this, it would be interesting to have seen a Republican Obama and how the GOP would treat him.

 

[Smeagol]

I actually like this, it would be interesting to have seen a Republican Obama and how the GOP would treat him.

Its too late now; they've already demonized him too much. If he were a republican all along Obama I think would be thought of as a RINO. If he got the GOP nomination and possibly elected POTUS, they'd hold their noses at a lot of things but accept him because he was at least a republican. Comparable to Romney, Christi, McCain or Lindsey Graham or maybe just a little to their left.

 

[Perotista]

An interesting observation I've made is that of the iconic status holds among the GOP faithful while at the same time history shows he took many positions today's GOP faithful oppose.

- He gave millions of undocumented immigrants amnesty. Rubio in 2009: Reagan made a mistake with 1986 amnesty | The Daily Caller
- He signed the Martin Luther King federal holiday into law. Ronald Reagan: Remarks on Signing the Bill Making the Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr., a National Holiday
- He supported statehood for Puerto Rico. Ronald Reagan: Statement Reaffirming Support of Statehood for Puerto Rico
- He repeatedly raised the debt ceiling. Guess who raised the debt ceiling 17 times? - The Washington Post

For those who oppose some or all of these measures but at the same time hold President Reagan in the highest esteem, do you think President Reagan was wrong? Was it a different time so therefore their support then is different than their support now? Where they wrong to support then and still wrong to support now but his good outweighs the bad? Where you unaware of his position of on these issues? Do you call into question the accuracy of his alleged support for these issues?

Personally I think Reagan got a lot more things right than wrong. I could never understand how a president could push for the balance budget amendment as hard as he did, yet run up the debt as much as he did. His words saying one thing, his actions another. But on the other side of the coin I think Reagan played a pivotal role in our winning the cold war. Without Reagan that cold war probably would have dragged on for another 10-20 and who knows how it might have ended? On amnesty, I Reagan was wrong, but it was an easy way out of a thorny problem. On Puerto Rico statehood, that is up to them and no one else. MLK's birthday, a no brainier. Raising the debt ceiling goes along with spending like there is no tomorrow. Regardless of party, if the president is of the other party, the party out of power does not want it raised. A long time honored tradition. Just look at the Democratic votes in the senate on raising the debt ceiling under Bush the second.

Year..Dems for..Dems against..Reps for..Reps against
2002…….37………………….14………………31………………18
2003……..3…………………...45………………50………………..1
2004……..2……………………46……………....50………………..1
2006……..0……………………44………………52………………...3

See what I mean. Back to Reagan, when one totals up the plus and minuses I would say Reagan comes out as an above average president.

 

[shavingcollywob]

An interesting observation I've made is that of the iconic status holds among the GOP faithful while at the same time history shows he took many positions today's GOP faithful oppose.

- He gave millions of undocumented immigrants amnesty. Rubio in 2009: Reagan made a mistake with 1986 amnesty | The Daily Caller
- He signed the Martin Luther King federal holiday into law. Ronald Reagan: Remarks on Signing the Bill Making the Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr., a National Holiday
- He supported statehood for Puerto Rico. Ronald Reagan: Statement Reaffirming Support of Statehood for Puerto Rico
- He repeatedly raised the debt ceiling. Guess who raised the debt ceiling 17 times? - The Washington Post

For those who oppose some or all of these measures but at the same time hold President Reagan in the highest esteem, do you think President Reagan was wrong? Was it a different time so therefore their support then is different than their support now? Where they wrong to support then and still wrong to support now but his good outweighs the bad? Where you unaware of his position of on these issues? Do you call into question the accuracy of his alleged support for these issues?

I think he was clearly wrong on immigration. Is it even debatable? I mean amnesty did nothing but lead to further illegal immigration.

I'm not really sure there is a central "GOP" position against MLK Day or Puerto Rico but I think he was right in those areas.

When it comes to raising the debt ceiling and spending in general today, my problem is we're doing it for, essentially, wealth redistribution schemes.

 

[Smeagol]

The problem is that while different political parties say different things, they do the same things when they are in power. I truly amazes me that people are fooled by this stuff.

I wish the GOP would simply be honest, admit this, lay down partisanship polarization and work with other elected officials in an America First spirit or co-operation. I actually though at one time the GOP was bigger and better than to embrace petty bickering, especially over things we freaking did first but I was wrong. It seems all we care about is advancing our party.

 

[Gringo allstar]

No ones perfect.

 

[Dittohead not!]

I actually like this, it would be interesting to have seen a Republican Obama and how the GOP would treat him.

We did have a Republican Obama. His name was George Bush.

 

[Perotista]

We did have a Republican Obama. His name was George Bush.

There is more truth there than you think. That is if one discards all the rhetoric and only looks at how each governed.

 

[Perotista]

I wish the GOP would simply be honest, admit this, lay down partisanship polarization and work with other elected officials in an America First spirit or co-operation. I actually though at one time the GOP was bigger and better than to embrace petty bickering, especially over things we freaking did first but I was wrong. It seems all we care about is advancing our party.

That my friend works both ways. Whether you are talking about the 200 plus bill Reid has tabled without so much as a vote or debate from the Republican house or the numerous filibusters sponsored by Republicans. Both are designed to not let the other guy have anything at all. Each party, leader, would rather have nothing than give the other guy or party 5% of what he wants to get 95% of what you want.

You have an all or nothing mentality in Washington these days. Its not just one party, it is both parties. To make sure legislation stops completely until after the November election, Reid has imposed his own 60 vote threshold just to bring a bill to the floor. He does not want any of his Democratic Senators from red states to have to make a hard vote. This from a guy who instituted the nuclear option so his party only needs 51 votes, but now it 60. Read this below and you will see it is both parties who are playing the advance my party thing over the good of the country.

Election year a drag on productivity in Senate

 

[Dittohead not!]

That my friend works both ways. Whether you are talking about the 200 plus bill Reid has tabled without so much as a vote or debate from the Republican house or the numerous filibusters sponsored by Republicans. Both are designed to not let the other guy have anything at all. Each party, leader, would rather have nothing than give the other guy or party 5% of what he wants to get 95% of what you want.

You have an all or nothing mentality in Washington these days. Its not just one party, it is both parties. To make sure legislation stops completely until after the November election, Reid has imposed his own 60 vote threshold just to bring a bill to the floor. He does not want any of his Democratic Senators from red states to have to make a hard vote. This from a guy who instituted the nuclear option so his party only needs 51 votes, but now it 60. Read this below and you will see it is both parties who are playing the advance my party thing over the good of the country.

Election year a drag on productivity in Senate

Exactly right, and a good summation of why Congress is dysfunctional.

 

[mpg]

Nothing is more partisan than accusing ONE party of partisanship.

 

[Smeagol]

That my friend works both ways. Whether you are talking about the 200 plus bill Reid has tabled without so much as a vote or debate from the Republican house or the numerous filibusters sponsored by Republicans. Both are designed to not let the other guy have anything at all. Each party, leader, would rather have nothing than give the other guy or party 5% of what he wants to get 95% of what you want.

You have an all or nothing mentality in Washington these days. Its not just one party, it is both parties. To make sure legislation stops completely until after the November election, Reid has imposed his own 60 vote threshold just to bring a bill to the floor. He does not want any of his Democratic Senators from red states to have to make a hard vote. This from a guy who instituted the nuclear option so his party only needs 51 votes, but now it 60. Read this below and you will see it is both parties who are playing the advance my party thing over the good of the country.

Election year a drag on productivity in Senate

Reid is the one member of the Senate I'd voted to see voted out of office. I know both sides are guilty of party first, America second. Just for some reason I thought republicans were more likely to put America first and party second. Its been way more disappointing to me than when democrats do it, maybe because I wasn't expecting any better from the democrats.

 

[Goshin]

An interesting observation I've made is that of the iconic status holds among the GOP faithful while at the same time history shows he took many positions today's GOP faithful oppose.

- He gave millions of undocumented immigrants amnesty. Rubio in 2009: Reagan made a mistake with 1986 amnesty | The Daily Caller
- He signed the Martin Luther King federal holiday into law. Ronald Reagan: Remarks on Signing the Bill Making the Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr., a National Holiday
- He supported statehood for Puerto Rico. Ronald Reagan: Statement Reaffirming Support of Statehood for Puerto Rico
- He repeatedly raised the debt ceiling. Guess who raised the debt ceiling 17 times? - The Washington Post

For those who oppose some or all of these measures but at the same time hold President Reagan in the highest esteem, do you think President Reagan was wrong? Was it a different time so therefore their support then is different than their support now? Where they wrong to support then and still wrong to support now but his good outweighs the bad? Where you unaware of his position of on these issues? Do you call into question the accuracy of his alleged support for these issues?

Reagan wasn't perfect; he got some things right, and some wrong.


To understand the love for Reagan, you have to know what it was like living during the Carter years. It was bleak.

 

[Perotista]

Exactly right, and a good summation of why Congress is dysfunctional.

Is it just me? I mean I never noticed this before McConnell and Reid took over. Am I just getting old and only remember the good things and not the bad? But it does seem to me that senate leaders of the past were not so intransigent. I can't remember this stuff happening when Tom Daschle and Trent Lott or Bill Frist were the leaders. There was give and take. Going back further, George Mitchell and Bob Dole, both I bet are abhorred at the situation in the senate today. Now I can remember Robert Byrd as Senate Majority leader, he was as tough as it gets, but even he would work with Howard Baker and before him Hugh Scott. Byrd would make sure he got all that was possible and probably a bit more, but he would give some to counter what he got.

Perhaps I am living in the past. But this idea of not even wanting to give up a toothpick in order to get a yacht does seem new to me. Today's leaders would turn down the yacht.

 

[CalGun]

Reagan was lied too by the left. He had a deal for border protection the left in charge of congress would not fund. Anyone that doesn't get this is just a partisan democratic hat. It's the LEGITIMATE reason republicans today must hold out for border security before anything else since they were stabbed in the back and lied too already.

And we all know how easy it is for this regime to LIE.

Kind of makes him look like one of those dang liberals, doesn't it?

Add in the Iran Contra affair (out of the loop?) and the S and L deregulation and bailout, and you're left with a idol with feet of clay.

I actually voted for Reagan in '80 in the belief that he would cut back the size and power of the federal government. When that didn't happen, I didn't vote for him again in '84, not that it mattered.