Question about homosexuality

[talloulou]

I am not sure it is a moot point.........Studies show that the most predominate way the AIDS virus is passed is through gay anal intercourse........

Its true you could make a case against religion but you would be shoveling against the tide since most people in this country belong to some religion and believe in God.....

Well really any kind of sex can be harmful. There are all kinds of disease (HIV) included that can be passed from heterosexual to heterosexual through a variety of sex acts. And yes some sex is riskier than other sex but I'd say the risk more in lies with the partner vs the position. And while anal sex is an easier way to aquire HIV then vaginal sex it is also true that a woman is at greater risk in hetero sex when it comes to contracting HIV than a man is. Anotherwards there's a better chance a guy can have vaginal intercourse with an HIV + woman and not contract the disease. Whereas it's way more likely that an HIV+ guy having vaginal intercourse with a woman will pass the disease on to her. It has nothing to do with certain positions being gross or an abomination and everything to do with certain body parts being more vulnerable to a virus transmitted by bodily fluids.

 

[mixedmedia]

Here's the problem with gays and their sexual behavior. We know what they are doing, and it's really gross to a lot of people. People say what you do in the bedroom is private, but with gays it can't be totally private.

Heteros can do sodomy no doubt about it, but they don't have to do sodomy. Gays have to do sodomy. This is like all your privacy flew right out the window, cause I know what you are doing. Till you can take those thoughts away from the gay issue and I think it's impossible, they will never be able to compare themselves to heterosexuals and it will fly.

Think about Grandma and Grandpa. Would you want to believe that they do all the crazy pumped up sex of today? No, because they are supposed to be sweet and innocent in our minds, but with Grandpa's Bill and Harry we know what they did all their lives together. Most people don't want to know.

It's about sexual gratification above all else. A lot of people would like to see less sex. I'm one that would, but it's getting more and more like it's never been done before.

I don't think you can take the sex out of the issue. You can, but it's not totally possible.

It's true sex is a private issue, but people know what goes on. The difference is with straights they don't know for sure, with gays it's a pretty even bet.

Wait, so you're saying that because you think you *know* what gay men are doing in their bedroom (and *brrrrriinnnggg* for your info, not all gay men practice sodomy), that because you think you can look at two gay men and "see" in your mind what they do in their bedroom that that's "the problem" with gay people?

Well, my first reaction is to tap dance all over this with an indignant fervor, but you know, at least you're being honest with us. I think many more people who object to homosexuality feel this same way but would never admit it for fear looking, well....callow and selfish. Not to mention, lacking a credible argument for their objections.

 

[FallingPianos]

Wait, so you're saying that because you think you *know* what gay men are doing in their bedroom (and *brrrrriinnnggg* for your info, not all gay men practice sodomy), that because you think you can look at two gay men and "see" in your mind what they do in their bedroom that that's "the problem" with gay people?

Well, my first reaction is to tap dance all over this with an indignant fervor, but you know, at least you're being honest with us. I think many more people who object to homosexuality feel this same way but would never admit it for fear looking, well....callow and selfish. Not to mention, lacking a credible argument for their objections.

I've been gone for several months and this thread is still active???

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

You seem to do a lot of thinking about what other people think.

The reason I queried your statement was that I could not work out what you
were trying to say. Given the predisposition of certain people on these boards to
be deliberately vague, I was giving you the opportunity to make your point
clearly. You have chosen not to do so.

It's just a discussion board.

I guess if you choose not to understand what I thought was clear, then you shouldn't bother talking to me.

Why are you so defensive about gays?

 

[Dogger807]

I am not sure it is a moot point.........Studies show that the most predominate way the AIDS virus is passed is through gay anal intercourse........

Its true you could make a case against religion but you would be shoveling against the tide since most people in this country belong to some religion and believe in God.....

And it harms you how? Oh and link the studies... you have a habit of claiming studies are out there then not show your references. In short your laying blame without proof.

And yes I do know that banning religion would be against the tide..... I used it as the example because it's something all those against homosexuality have in common (basing their lives on a 2 thousand year old superstition). I wanted to point out there are things you do that I consider abnormal yet I respect your choice to do so.

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

Wait, so you're saying that because you think you *know* what gay men are doing in their bedroom (and *brrrrriinnnggg* for your info, not all gay men practice sodomy), that because you think you can look at two gay men and "see" in your mind what they do in their bedroom that that's "the problem" with gay people?

Well, my first reaction is to tap dance all over this with an indignant fervor, but you know, at least you're being honest with us. I think many more people who object to homosexuality feel this same way but would never admit it for fear looking, well....callow and selfish. Not to mention, lacking a credible argument for their objections.

You said problem. Did I say problem?

Actually if you look up sodomy it's not just anal sex. It's any sexual intercourse thought to be abnormal, as between two men. That's what it says in my dictionary. I'd take that as including oral.

I don't think most people care that much about what gays are doing.

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

What are you talking about? I am assuming that by "sodomy" (a term with a
wide range of meanings) you actually mean "anal sex". Why do gays have to
have anax sex? Many don't.

Any proof of that? Many do, too

You do not have a clue what other people are doing. You like to think you do,
but it's just your prurient interest in sex clouding your mind. As you seem to
be omniscent in this, please tell me what I have been doing.

I think you're being silly. You obviously haven't seen all the porn out there. People think about sex a lot, and especially what other people are doing.

Exactly. It's none of your business what people do or do not get up to.

I didn't say it was my business did I?

Truly bizarre. Human sexuality is not simply for reproduction. Most sex,
homosexual, heterosexual, or solo, is for gratification.

I didn't mention reproduction. I know what sex is about.

That is your choice.
So it's all in your mind. Please keep it to yourself.

No it's in a lot of minds is what I was saying.

 

[mixedmedia]

You said problem. Did I say problem?

uhhhh, why yes you certainly did.

Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe
Here's the problem with gays and their sexual behavior. We know what they are doing, and it's really gross to a lot of people. People say what you do in the bedroom is private, but with gays it can't be totally private.

Actually if you look up sodomy it's not just anal sex. It's any sexual intercourse thought to be abnormal, as between two men. That's what it says in my dictionary. I'd take that as including oral.

I don't think most people care that much about what gays are doing.

I realize that the literal definition of sodomy encompasses more than just anal sex, but for the purposes of this discussion, I think we all know what we're talking about. No need to play a semantics game.

You are right, most people don't care. Then there are those that do.

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

This is one of the most moronic birdbrained statements I've read on here and I've read alot of grabage. I think Uncle has provided more logic on the holocaust than you have on your "the problem with gays and their sexual behavior!' And let me tell you Uncle's ideas are defective and show a certain lack of mental function.

Now let me get this straight you think the problem with gay sex is the pictures that run through your mind when you're convinced you know two gays are doing it! :rofl Well get the phuck over it 'cause that's batshite crazy! You gotta learn to control your mind. If you don't like gay sex don't think about it. I don't like huge gigantic fat people sex so you know what? When I see a disgustingly huge gigantic fat couple I don't picture them having sex.

I'm glad you liked it.:mrgreen:

 

[talloulou]

I'm glad you liked it.:mrgreen:

Well I admit it is fun to rip asinine statements to shreds.

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

And it harms you how? Oh and link the studies... you have a habit of claiming studies are out there then not show your references. In short your laying blame without proof.

And yes I do know that banning religion would be against the tide..... I used it as the example because it's something all those against homosexuality have in common (basing their lives on a 2 thousand year old superstition). I wanted to point out there are things you do that I consider abnormal yet I respect your choice to do so.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/msm.htm

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

uhhhh, why yes you certainly did.

I did say problem. I didn't really mean problem, but that's what I wrote down. Poor choice of words, sorry!

I realize that the literal definition of sodomy encompasses more than just anal sex, but for the purposes of this discussion, I think we all know what we're talking about. No need to play a semantics game.

I really was talking about all the different sodomies, not just anal. It's hard to get across the meaning in a written forum. Lots of room for misinterpretation.

You are right, most people don't care. Then there are those that do.

I'd say most gays care about it.

 

[Navy Pride]

And it harms you how? Oh and link the studies... you have a habit of claiming studies are out there then not show your references. In short your laying blame without proof.

And yes I do know that banning religion would be against the tide..... I used it as the example because it's something all those against homosexuality have in common (basing their lives on a 2 thousand year old superstition). I wanted to point out there are things you do that I consider abnormal yet I respect your choice to do so.

I don't post links to things that are obvious..............When AIDS was at its highest the most predominent way of passing it was through anal sex and the vast majority that practice that type of sex are gay men.....That is a given.........

 

[Sir_Alec]

I don't post links to things that are obvious..............When AIDS was at its highest the most predominent way of passing it was through anal sex and the vast majority that practice that type of sex are gay men.....That is a given.........

Even though anal sex can be the most dangerous way to spread AIDs it isn't the biggest reason for it spreading. The most common form of spreading AIDs is from vaginal intercourse. Do you really think all those Africans are plowing eachother's asses and spreading AIDs?

 

[talloulou]

Even though anal sex can be the most dangerous way to spread AIDs it isn't the biggest reason for it spreading. The most common form of spreading AIDs is from vaginal intercourse. Do you really think all those Africans are plowing eachother's asses and spreading AIDs?

Well they do have a population problem and not enough food for hungry babies so maybe plowing each others asses seemed like a good idea at the time!

 

[Sir_Alec]

Well they do have a population problem and not enough food for hungry babies so maybe plowing each others asses seemed like a good idea at the time!

I doubt they are. Homosexuality and anal sex are so taboo in Africa that it is really hard to find anyone who is openly having it.

 

[Navy Pride]

Even though anal sex can be the most dangerous way to spread AIDs it isn't the biggest reason for it spreading. The most common form of spreading AIDs is from vaginal intercourse. Do you really think all those Africans are plowing eachother's asses and spreading AIDs?

My Bad, I wasn't clear........I meant here in the USA...........

 

[Sir_Alec]

My Bad, I wasn't clear........I meant here in the USA...........

What are the exact statistics for the USA? I have never heard them before.

 

[Thinker]

Why are you so defensive about gays?

You attack with specious arguments and I'll defend.

 

[Navy Pride]

What are the exact statistics for the USA? I have never heard them before.

Well they were published quite often when AIDS first became a problem in the eighties and I am sure you know that.......

 

[Thinker]

I don't post links to things that are obvious...

...and we've seen before that things remain obvious to you even when you've
been presented with evidence showing you're wrong.

 

[Sir_Alec]

Well they were published quite often when AIDS first became a problem in the eighties and I am sure you know that.......

I didn't ask for a report I just want some statistics.

 

[talloulou]

I didn't ask for a report I just want some statistics.

http://www.avert.org/statsum.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports/index.htm

 

[Sir_Alec]

http://www.avert.org/statsum.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports/index.htm

Thank you for the links. I assumed a lot of American AIDs cases came from anal intercourse, but this tops all my expectations. I say promote safer sex and condom use but I'm sure some people might use the statistic as a tool against homosexuality.

 

[talloulou]

Thank you for the links. I assumed a lot of American AIDs cases came from anal intercourse, but this tops all my expectations. I say promote safer sex and condom use but I'm sure some people might use the statistic as a tool against homosexuality.

They might and that's a shame as well as not being too helpful. Look at the recent stuff in the news regarding HPV. That virus can cause cervical cancer in women and generally there are no symptoms! And it seems as if the very same virus has no affect on men! Though men can spread it the virus doesn't cause them any problems. And this HPV is so wide spread that they are now considering having little girls vaccinated against it. But you won't hear people using HPV against heterosexuals or women! :rofl

Plus there are many diseases that affect people of one ethnicity more than another. But you generally won't hear people claiming that as proof that a certain ethnicity is "harmful" or "sinful."