dogger807 said:Ok it's question time, it seems and I have one I've never have received a plausible answear to. If god is all powerful, all knowing, and perfect why, for the love of all that's logical, would satan (who is supposed to be smart and clever) and his followers rebel against such a being.
In my book that would make satan the very definition of the word dumb@$$ .
dogger807 said:Ok it's question time, it seems and I have one I've never have received a plausible answear to. If god is all powerful, all knowing, and perfect why, for the love of all that's logical, would satan (who is supposed to be smart and clever) and his followers rebel against such a being.
In my book that would make satan the very definition of the word dumb@$$ .
kal-el said:Well, according to the Bible, Satan is a pretty tough customer, capable of showing signs and producing miracles. But if this "God" is truly omniscient, a rebellion would never have happened.
nkgupta80 said:yeah, also, what does god have against having beings also reach total perfection. Does god feel challegned. If Satan wanted ultimate power and perfection, let him have it. In that state of perfection, all jealousy/greed would techinically be gone, and there would be no conflict.
Yup.dogger807 said:Ok it's question time, it seems and I have one I've never have received a plausible answear to. If god is all powerful, all knowing, and perfect why, for the love of all that's logical, would satan (who is supposed to be smart and clever) and his followers rebel against such a being.
In my book that would make satan the very definition of the word dumb@$$ .
-Demosthenes- said:Assuming that God must allow moral agency for each of it's creations then God would have to allow Satan to chose what he wants, and Satan would know this and chose whatever he wants.
kal-el said:And he can, in the book of Job, he convinces his pal, God, to give him a "geen" light to reak all kinds of hazard on Job.
-Demosthenes- said:I'm trying to separate christian doctrines, and I'm having a hard time figuring out if this is "mainstream christian," but isn't it possible that if Satan rebelled in heaven before we were all born so he was never born on earth, and therefore has no body. He's just a spirit, and may have moral agency, but no real power to act physically in the lives of living people, such as Job.
Again, I'm not sure if this is mainstream or radical christian doctrine, but it explains it well using base assumptions.
-Demosthenes- said:I'm trying to separate christian doctrines, and I'm having a hard time figuring out if this is "mainstream christian," but isn't it possible that if Satan rebelled in heaven before we were all born so he was never born on earth, and therefore has no body. He's just a spirit, and may have moral agency, but no real power to act physically in the lives of living people, such as Job.
Again, I'm not sure if this is mainstream or radical christian doctrine, but it explains it well using base assumptions.
Rev. said:I guess I would have to ask if you mean "power" as in "ability" or "power" as in "authority."
laska said:I don't think this is mainstream Christian doctrine but it is LDS(Mormon) doctrine and I think also early Christian.
Not wishing to comment on your first assertion... But yes the righteous are hidden by our knowledge of satan's cunning/deceptive means... More importantly by the power of God's Spirit we are placed in what the bible refers to as "The secret place" or "Beneath the shadow of The Almighty"... Demons and witches (human agents of satan) are frustrated in their efforts/desire to harm us. Lest we break down our own hedge through perpetual sin, whereby they might gain entrance into our lives.Jerry said:According to Luciferian Aaron C. Donahue, Lucifer is a being who’s nature is as a sentient information system; as is the structural nature of Man and God.
Also according to Aaron, black magick, of which he practices, does not work at all on people who live a righteous life.
Given the above, “power” is a pattern of information which can exert some form of control. Lucifer has no power over righteous people because righteous people can see through Lucifer’s deceiving information by connecting directly with the truth: God.
ColaBear said:our only defense against the adversary (and never forget he is formidable) is the full armor of God...walking close to Him daily, studying the Word daily. indwelling that Word into our hearts and minds. We need not fall to temptation tho we are still human with a sinful nature. and we not fear him because he has NO POWER to steal my soul from the hands of God Almighty.
We need but speak the name above all names...Jesus...claim the Blood of Jesus and the wicked one HAS to flee.
Doesn't mean he is gone forever (we know he keeps sneaking back) but we can continue to toss him away. I believe the closer we walk and surrender and serve the Lord the more we come under attack.
I believe like in Job...that when the Lord allows 'whatever' to come against me...He trusts me to lean on Him and to be an overcomer and come thru for Him.
I DO enjoy the battle cause I know the outcome of the battle.:duel
:comp: I'm enjoying talking also.
The Lord is my light and my salvation;
whom shall I fear?
the LORD is the strength of my life;
of whom shall I be afraid?
Psalm 27:1 (KJV)
:applaud
dogger807 said:Again.. no one answered my question . they just threw out definitions that god is great and good and satan is bad and evil.
A good plot for a story. nothing more.
Let me try ... I'll start by personifying satan. What would it take for a human to fight a fight they had no hopes of winning.
1> they are just plain crazy.
2> something they value more than life itself is threatened
a} family
b}children (while yes children can be family they deserve their own line)
c}liberty
3> religion
4> they perceive a chance of winning
5> they are backed into a corner.
tell me.. which of these fits the Christian superstitions? Or feel free to add one that does.
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