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Putin's planned Ukrainian invasion is just the beginning of his endgame

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Putin's planned Ukrainian invasion is just the beginning of his endgame

2.10.22
"We want a stable, predictable relationship," President Joe Biden said last May when asked about his goals for his summit the next month in Geneva with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The official summit photograph communicated a sense of harmony and balance, with the leaders seated in matching chairs, a globe between them. Many years of Kremlin propaganda about Russia being victimized by the West have prepared Russians and their allies for this moment. That is now manifesting in Putin's apparent planned invasion of Ukraine, which would mark a return to the active warfare of 2014, when Russia illegally annexed the Crimean region. Yet, Ukraine is also a means to a greater end. Former Estonian President Toomas Ilves has warned that "Putin wants to establish a legacy for himself in the tradition of Peter the Great and Catherine. He lived the collapse of the Soviet Union as a personal tragedy and he is convinced that Russia has an imperial vocation." The Russian president's obsessive desire to revive a version of the Soviet empire is a case study in how strongmen leverage nostalgia to bolster their own power. Ukraine, in this scheme, would be one of several neighboring countries that act as client states — a new stage of the old Soviet doctrine of spheres of influence. Belarus, led by the dictator Alexander Lukashenko, already plays this role.

Putin's longstanding personal crusade to "undo" the consequences of the collapse of the Soviet Union has now led to Russia's renewed aggression against Ukraine. His assertion at the summit press conference that the United States had “declared Russia as its enemy and adversary” continued the victimization narrative and told the world that any lawless behavior Russia engaged in would be in its own defense. Moreover, the logic of autocracies dictates that the more imperialist the country becomes, the more it must seem to be a victim of others, whether "globalists," NATO, the EU or Biden's America. Whatever happens to Ukraine, we should have no illusions that it will be enough for Putin. Biden's notion that "thoughtful dialogue" with the Russian president in Geneva would create a safer world was far too optimistic; Putin came away from that summit likely feeling empowered to pursue his imperial dreams. Autocrats typically don't negotiate. They instead create crises and use those situations of turmoil to extract concessions or create a "new normal" that furthers their larger geopolitical goals. This is what Putin is now doing with Ukraine. Time will tell if his gamble will succeed.


Putin has a narcissistic need for Russian history to view him as another Peter the Great or Catherine the Great.

He is far closer to becoming the second iteration of Joseph Stalin.
 
Do you mean --- Putin the great pacifier who constantly reminds the world that the US has 'lost the plot '?

As you have , by just regurgitating the rambling nonsense given by Sleepy the OAP with Dementia day after day .
 
As you have, by just regurgitating the rambling nonsense given by Sleepy the OAP with Dementia day after day .

Please don't inject your relatives into threads.

Thanks in advance.
 
Who murdered a million Iraqis?
About 12 years ago, a British Polling company, "ORB International", posted a claim that Iraqi war dead were about 1.2 Million.
The claim was refuted by peer review and basically called a bullshit study....in fact it was less a study and more a "what do you think?" poll.
About as scientifically accurate as Star Wars.

 
About 12 years ago, a British Polling company, "ORB International", posted a claim that Iraqi war dead were about 1.2 Million.
The claim was refuted by peer review and basically called a bullshit study....in fact it was less a study and more a "what do you think?" poll.
About as scientifically accurate as Star Wars.

I'm just curious as to it was that PW thinks murdered all these Iraqis.
 
Who murdered a million Iraqis?


About 12 years ago, a British Polling company, "ORB International", posted a claim that Iraqi war dead were about 1.2 Million.
The claim was refuted by peer review and basically called a bullshit study....in fact it was less a study and more a "what do you think?" poll.
About as scientifically accurate as Star Wars.



If they had stated " destroyed the lives of millions of Iraqis " and/or" caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, (ongoing)" they would be correct wouldn't they ?
 
Do you feel that invading Ukraine would be better or worse than murdering a million Iraqis?:unsure:

What makes you believe he even cares about the lives of Ukranians let alone Iraqis ?
 
If they had stated " destroyed the lives of millions of Iraqis " and/or" caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, (ongoing)" they would be correct wouldn't they ?

But that is not what he said, is it?
 
What makes you believe he even cares about the lives of Ukranians let alone Iraqis ?

Like you care about the lives of Israelis let alone Europeans.
 
How many Ukranians would be killed in this invasion?

Depends how far into Ukraine Russian forces penetrate.

Estimates say a minumum of 50,000 with 5 million refugees initially.
 
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Like you care about the lives of Israelis let alone Europeans.

Recall I am the one in the peace in Europe camp and you are the war monger. Like most of your comments, this was easy to expose.
 
Depends how far into Ukraine Russian forces penetrate.

Estimates say a minumum of 50,000 with 5 million refugees initially.

I'm sure you think their lives are expendable if they inflict pain on Putin and his cronies.
 
But that is not what he said, is it?

He ,imo, made a valid point in a poor way. That you want to see that ignored is entirely predictable.
 
Many years of Kremlin propaganda about Russia being victimized by the West have prepared Russians and their allies for this moment.

Sorry...but i seriously doubt the Russians believe anything the Kremlin has put out since Yeltsin stepped down.
 
Many years of Kremlin propaganda about Russia being victimized by the West have prepared Russians and their allies for this moment.

Sorry...but i seriously doubt the Russians believe anything the Kremlin has put out since Yeltsin stepped down.

According to a poll by the Levada Center, (better than any other Russian polling org) ~90% say they believe the Kremlin prop.

It's all they have heard from state media for decades .... Russia's victimhood.
 
According to a poll by the Levada Center, (better than any other Russian polling org) ~90% say they believe the Kremlin prop.

It's all they have heard from state media for decades .... Russia's victimhood.


Foreign stations dont broadcast in Russia? If I am not mistaken, until it was just shut down, Deutch Welle was in Russia. Maybe Russians can make up their own mind
 
Foreign stations dont broadcast in Russia? If I am not mistaken, until it was just shut down, Deutch Welle was in Russia. Maybe Russians can make up their own mind

Moscow jams many foreign radio signals and does not permit uncensored internet access for its citizens.
 
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