Putin is a happy camper

[Baron Samedi]

With that quality of following along I am not exactly shocked to fine you so wrong and unwilling to listen on Russia.

Wow. A lot of programming had to happen to get to this.

Your posts on this thread are anchored to social media behavior modification.

In so many words, Russia told you to hate America—and now you do.

 

[OscarLevant]

Oh...so now, according to one of your outdated, spinning links, Trump is in China's pocket.

No, back to my original post you have failed to refute, that Trump is complying with Putin's agenda.

There are many indications, he is.

If you have a problem with "complying', okay, let's just use "doing".


Better?

 

[Baron Samedi]

Putin is a very happy camper in just about every way imaginable. Putin's geopolitical goals are to pull apart NATO and the EU, gain a foothold in the Middle East and put eventually make more headway toward putting something like the Soviet Union back together again. Trump has so far helped Putin mightily in all those areas.

Even's Trump's energy policies are a boon to Putin and Russia. Russia is currently the 12th largest economy in the world projected to 6th almost entirely on crude oil and natural gas production and exports, fossil fuels. What does Trump do? Attempt to retard growth in the renewable energy industry.

The problem for Russia is that it is supporting too much population on a "legal" economy that is simply too narrowly focused. Russia really has nothing other than its fossil fuels and is massively corrupt to boot. So significant funds are gobbled up by corruption of which Putin is a major beneficiary. So for example Saudi is virtually Russia's equal in crude oil production but where Russia is supporting a population of 130M or so, Saudi is only supporting 38M people off the same crude oil production. Russia has recently kicked up its Natural Gas production and exports second only to the US in that regard. But again, much of what we produce supports our own sporty and diverse economy. There is nothing like enough internal economy going on to absorb those resources in Russia yet Russia has too many people to be supported by such a narrowly defined export business base.

So Putin is trying to thread a very small needle in attempting to grow an economy and a geopolitical footprint from a narrowly defined base of activity focused almost entirely on the export of fossil fuels while those that glean so much in corruption off the top of everything can continue to do so. The US, while still having large fossil fuel resources including still large deposits of coal needs to diversify its energy utilization simply to support a very diverse and healthy US economy. Russia needs exactly the opposite to happen. As such a US President that does not acknowledge Climate Change, does not support renewable energy sources is a wonderful boon to Putin and Russia, much like everything else Trump does is a wonderful boon to Putin and Russia.

It is expected that Trump will abandon Syria to Putin entirely during this next meeting and will likely at some point possibly soon simply shrug his shoulders and legitimize Russia's annexation of Croatia.

On Putin—what's true is he would spend every last ruble and kopeek if the outcome from doing so also meant more power and influence on the international stage. Intrinsic, yesteryear's version of Soviet neorealism parallel to its single source economy married to corruption thrust into the hit en nunc also means all of its [modern age] advantages.

 

[OscarLevant]

You clearly have forgotten that I have long said that justice demands that both the D and the R party die for their crimes of treason, and as well that they have both failed to lead, and that Washington is full of 2 and 3 rate people and is corrupt as Hell.

With that quality of following along I am not exactly shocked to fine you so wrong and unwilling to listen on Russia.

What a shame.

Generalities, bizarre recommendations, platitudes, and vague unsubstantiated assertions.

What a shame.

 

[Port & Starboard]

That's completely, totally, utterly false, you have no clue as to what you are talking about. Not only that, the "150 billion" figure is grossly inflated
from the actual truth.

Blah blah blah

Experts say it could be the high end of it.

We could have taken every penny of the money and used it to combat exported Iranian terrorism and nobody in the world could have done squat about it.

Why do you love terrorism so much?

 

[Mycroft]

No, back to my original post you have failed to refute, that Trump is complying with Putin's agenda.

There are many indications, he is.

If you have a problem with "complying', okay, let's just use "doing".


Better?

From one of your links: "North Korea: China and Russia call on US to freeze military exercises in bid to cool tensions"

Since this is one of the links that you use to justify saying that Trump is doing what Putin tells him, it must also mean that you agree that Trump is doing what China tells him.

Of course, that's where you run into problems. You spin one thing into another and then run into trouble with it. Now you have to do your backwards tap-dancing.

 

[OscarLevant]

Blah blah blah

Experts say it could be the high end of it.

We could have taken every penny of the money and used it to combat exported Iranian terrorism and nobody in the world could have done squat about it.

Wrong. You have provided nothing to substantiate that claim, nor to refute what i've offered to substantiate my claim.

Why do you love terrorism so much?

Why do you love asking questions with assumed premise so much?

You can't ask me a question with an assumed premise.

Prove, or reach a meeting of the mind with me on the premise, first.

Then, you can ask the question.

Otherwise, based on the caliber of your comments thus far, and you are welcome to prove me wrong, but your comments appear to be not competent enough to warrant further discussion, not with me, anyway.

So, let's just part ways.

 

[OscarLevant]

From one of your links: "North Korea: China and Russia call on US to freeze military exercises in bid to cool tensions"

Since this is one of the links that you use to justify saying that Trump is doing what Putin tells him, it must also mean that you agree that Trump is doing what China tells him.

ON that item, yes, China and Russia share a border with NK, so it's logical their desires on that issue overlap, but overall, more items were given in the OP, which substantiate my claim that Trump is doing Putin's bidding.

Of course, that's where you run into problems. You spin one thing into another and then run into trouble with it. Now you have to do your backwards tap-dancing.

Of course, that is your wish, but reality provides a simple answer: nope.


I'm sure there are more straws in your strawman inventory you can grasp, so, go for it.

 

[Mycroft]

ON that item, yes, but more items were given in the OP, which substantiate my claim that Trump is doing Putin's bidding.


Of course, that is your wish, but reality provides a simple answer: nope.


I'm sure there are more straws in your strawman inventory you can grasp, so, go for it.

All of your links are contrived spin, speculation, hyperbole and innuendo.

In other words...baseless.

 

[LincolnRossiter]

trump supporters

intellectual integrity?

l...o...l

 

[Jetboogieman]

All of your links are contrived spin, speculation, hyperbole and innuendo.

In other words...baseless.

Pretty ironic for a birther to say something like this...

 

[Hawkeye10]

Generalities, bizarre recommendations, platitudes, and vague unsubstantiated assertions.

What a shame.

Another rude non-listener....What A Shame.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Wow. A lot of programming had to happen to get to this.

Your posts on this thread are anchored to social media behavior modification.

In so many words, Russia told you to hate America—and now you do.

Stick around awhile, you are likely to figure out how silly this post is.

 

[Hawkeye10]

A true Trump cultist will just not stand for being insulted. But the daily insults their leader spews, well that's just different.

No worries Mr. Samedi, if insults weren't used by everyone, including Trump hypocrites, this would be a very barren place...

I thought the story was that Trump Cultists are gutter people, mostly white trash....and I am supposed to believe that they dont like insults?

This story has a lot of problems.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Wrong. You have provided nothing to substantiate that claim, nor to refute what i've offered to substantiate my claim.


Why do you love asking questions with assumed premise so much?

You can't ask me a question with an assumed premise.

Prove, or reach a meeting of the mind with me on the premise, first.

Then, you can ask the question.

Otherwise, based on the caliber of your comments thus far, and you are welcome to prove me wrong, but your comments appear to be not competent enough to warrant further discussion, not with me, anyway.

So, let's just part ways.

Funny thing about posting links to back up your claims because they are often only 1/2 the story.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...to_destroy_israel_with_conventional_arms.html

 

[Baron Samedi]

Stick around awhile, you are likely to figure out how silly this post is.

What's silly is you won't stop posting on Russia's jock.

As if you're a Russian troll bot.

 

[OscarLevant]

All of your links are contrived spin, speculation, hyperbole and innuendo.

In other words...baseless.

Vacuous declarations are not an argument.

Like I said, one of these days you'll actually attempt (though I doubt you will succeed) refute something I wrote, but I won't be holding my breath.

 

[OscarLevant]

Another rude non-listener....What A Shame.

Another unsubstantiated claim, what a shame.

 

[OscarLevant]

Funny thing about posting links to back up your claims because they are often only 1/2 the story.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...to_destroy_israel_with_conventional_arms.html

Your website you linked to is wrongly named "American Thinker", because I found nothing in the opinion piece that would qualify as credible "thought".

now I see where you are getting your drivel from. Nothing it in is backed up by anything, it's the same stupid moronic crap you are spewing, completely unfounded in reality.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Your website you linked to is wrongly named "American Thinker", because I found nothing in the opinion piece that would qualify as credible "thought".

now I see where you are getting your drivel from. Nothing it in is backed up by anything, it's the same stupid moronic crap you are spewing, completely unfounded in reality.

LOL Bravo!

I doubted that you would have to begin with.


The world only goes the way you believe.

 

[jnug]

Notice what is happening to oil prices since Trump ripped up our involvement in the JCPOA. EU has got the agreement on life support but companies are already unraveling their agreements to transport Iranian oil and one French company with a very large Natural Gas project in Iran handed that deal to China. So we lose double again in a way. Oil prices are up considerably, gas prices are up at the pump considerably over last year and while I for one am much more concerned about China IP theft than about the stupid trade deficit, if anybody really cared about the trade deficit with China we could have set up export facilities with the needed tools and shipped Natural Gas to China.

Of course all Russia has to offer the world market is fossil fuels in the form of oil and natural gas. Virtually everything Trump does makes no sense until you go looking for a link to Putin and Russia. So much for ripping up the JCPOA being about some sort of half baked national security issue.

At some point people will figure out how utterly tied to Putin and Russia Trump is and the results will be so bad that it won't even matter how much of it is tied to election malfeasance or whatever other malfeasance pre-election is uncovered.

We foolishly argue about horsebleep while the country is being stolen out from under us.

Don't we actually get anything in this country. Liberal democracy and reasonable wealth distribution is what caved the Soviet Union with its ruthless corruption and inability to provide any sort of life for its people. The more we trash those Liberal democracies, the more the oligarchies win, the more the authoritarians win. I just cannot believe what complete political trash we have turned into. Welcome to the Reality TV USA.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Okay, let me see if I got this straight:

So Putin asked Trump if he could get back in the G8, so he is trying to do that.
Putin asked Trump to stop military exercises in South Korea, he complies.
Then Trump suggests it's okay for Russia to annex Crimea because "they speak Russian".
Then Trump threatens a pullout of NATO if the allies dont get to 2% spending on Defense.

And Trump wants to pull out of the WTO, kill NAFTA, he already pulled out of TPP, The Paris Accord, and the Iran Deal.

All the while Trump assails our allies and praises Kim Jong Un and Vladimir Putin, and he accepts what Putin said, that Russia didn't interfere in the 2016 election.

If I were Putin, I'd be very pleased with the money I spent to get Trump elected.

Trump vexes allies as he calls for Russia to rejoin G7
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/08/russia-g7-633705

Trump Surprises with pledge to in military exercises in South Korea
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...litary-exercises-in-south-korea-idUSKBN1J812W

Trump warns NATO allies to spend more on defense or else
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/02/world/europe/trump-nato.html


Trump leaves door open to us recognizing Russia's Crimea grab
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-open-to-u-s-recognizing-russia-s-crimea-grab

Quit the EU for better trade deal Trump reportedly told macron
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-trade-deal-trump-told-macron-us-france-terms


And republicans are fine with all this?

You mean are we okay with you lying about it?

Where in all that mess, for instance is the "truth" re: the current president: 1."So Putin asked Trump if he could get back in the G8, so he is trying to do that. "?
2. "Putin asked Trump to stop military exercises in South Korea, he complies. "?

The rest is manipulation, some truth some along with the regular fabrications and ommissions... do you think we are just to take all on your assertions as facts? What do take us for, blind liberals? :lamo

 

[jnug]

So I had been waiting for days to see if MSM media would figure this out.

Sen. Shelby is chairman of the Senate Appropriations committee. What the heck is Appropriations doing visiting Russia? Worse, did they not see that Putin's team managed to get US Senators to visit Russia on the Fourth of July with Putin himself also declining a meeting with those same Senators!

Shelby going in to meeting: I am not here to accuse anybody of anything"

Russian representative coming out of meeting: "the easiest meeting I have ever had"

This Senate visit was clearly designed so that Putin could piss in our faces on the 4th and set the stage so that he can squeeze out a loaf on us in the 16th!

Tin foil hat Republicans will claim "nothing to see here"

Wake the f--k up America. Will you please for the love of God and Country wake up!

 

[OscarLevant]

You mean are we okay with you lying about it?

Where in all that mess, for instance is the "truth" re: the current president: 1."So Putin asked Trump if he could get back in the G8, so he is trying to do that. "?
2. "Putin asked Trump to stop military exercises in South Korea, he complies. "?

The rest is manipulation, some truth some along with the regular fabrications and ommissions... do you think we are just to take all on your assertions as facts? What do take us for, blind liberals? :lamo

his diplomatic wing asked it, and I'll file that in the distinction without a difference dept. There is no way in hell his diplomats say anything without his direction.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...Pyongyang-Russia-USA-Donald-Trump-World-War-3

If you can disprove anything else, send me some proof, otherwise, you are making vacuous claims.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

his diplomatic wing asked it, and I'll file that in the distinction without a difference dept. There is no way in hell his diplomats say anything without his direction.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...Pyongyang-Russia-USA-Donald-Trump-World-War-3

If you can disprove anything else, send me some proof, otherwise, you are making vacuous claims.

Are you serious?

Or, in other words, did you read your own article?

1. At the time it was written in Nov 2017 " It comes as Kim Jong-un declared that North Korea is now a full nuclear force after it “successfully” launched an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) that could hit “all the US mainland”.

2. "Russia’s UN Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia warned the US and South Korea the December drills could “inflame an already explosive situation” as he also called on Kim Jong-un to stop the North’s missile and nuclear tests...Mr Nebenzia told the UN Security Council: “We strongly call on all concerned parties to stop this spiral of tension.

April 2018

The downscaling of the exercises seems to be a temporary concession to maintain diplomatic momentum with North Korea that recently shifted away from conducting threatening missile and nuclear tests, to instead engage in upcoming denuclearization talks with South Korea and the U.S.

However there are concerns that further restricting and phasing out the joint drills could become a key focus of the nuclear negotiations.

"In order to make progress in the denuclearization front, South Korea will somehow have to downscale or even cancel the joint military exercise going down the road," said Go Myong-Hyun, a North Korea analyst with the Asan Institute For Policy Studies in Seoul.

The North Korean leader dropped his objection to the joint exercises that Pyongyang in the past called rehearsals for invasion, when he met recently with South Korean diplomatic envoy Chung Eui-yong.

However Kim also said ending the military threat against the North, a demand that in the past meant ending the U.S. military presence in Korea, would be a key condition for its nuclear disarmament. https://www.voanews.com/a/us-south-korea-joint-drills-ending/4327386.html

3. In May North Korea had accused the US’ CIA of plotting to kill Kim Jong-un with "biochemical substances" at it threatened a “counter-terrorist attack”.

Insiders have revealed Putin’s government is strongly opposed to what it sees as Washington meddling in other countries’ affairs.

Andrey Kortunov, head of the Russian International Affairs Council, a think-tank close to the Russian Foreign Ministry, said: “The Kremlin really believes the North Korean leadership should get additional assurances and confidence that the United States is not in the regime change business.

“The prospect of regime change is a serious concern. The Kremlin understands that Donald Trump is unpredictable.

“They felt more secure with Barack Obama that he would not take any action that would explode the situation, but with Trump, they don’t know.”


So, what does a SUCCESSFUL administration do? Smart things understanding the changing situation. If we werent seeing ANY movement towards changing North Korea towards the better you might, might only, have a case.

But the movement, almost solely by NK, has been nothing short of amazing. You know it, I know it, the whole world knows it.