Putin’s failed summer offensive shatters the myth of inevitable Russian victory

[Fledermaus]

Not anymore, they aren't.


Are you sure about that?

We know there are US forces in Ukraine...such as the CIA and other support personnel.

Yes, they are.

So, no NATO forces engaged in Ukraine.

 

[Tangmo]

Russian generals have the lousy habit of starting the wrong kind of war.

In Chechnya they went in to fight conventionally in large units and even in protracted battles but what they got hit with was a guerilla war by the Chechens. It drove the Russian generals crazy trying to keep up with the whackamole of it. So Putin's answer was to flatten the capital Grozny that caused the UN to declare the city to be the most destructed in history.


In Ukraine elite airborne units were to decapitate Kyiv and seize control of the government, but their operational security was ruptured by the CIA that had the battle plan in hand word for word and item by item. When Zelensky and his generals recognized the plan in the subsequent Russian assault on the airport outside the city they committed forces well trained and led that ran the Russians out. Ukraine Soldiers told of how they saw a Russian Colonel commandeer a truck and run over Russian troops high tailing it outta there. This time a large scale conventional war for which Russia was unprepared is what Putin got dropped in his lap.


Now this desperate offensive has failed due to the standard reasons and the usual suspect Russian military practices. Russian tactical officers who are sure they have won tactical flexibility have found their units getting all twisted up under the rapid firing and maneuvering of flexible Ukraine forces tactics. Rather than adapting, Russian commanders have instead adjusted by simply pulling another package off the shelf. So rather than learn, Russian commanders simply react.

The Russian Putin meanwhile has no clue.

 

[Rogue Valley]

The Russian Putin meanwhile has no clue.

Yes, Trump Called Putin's Ukraine Strategy 'Savvy' and 'Genius'

However, the former U.S. president did not publicly condone the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

www.snopes.com

 

[Tangmo]

Yes, Trump Called Putin's Ukraine Strategy 'Savvy' and 'Genius'

However, the former U.S. president did not publicly condone the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

www.snopes.com

Fraternal twins in cluelessness indeed.

 

[Luce]

If the war ended today, with the land Russia has taken, Putin will have achieved his objective: To create a buffer between NATO and Russia.

I must say, you have that Russian propaganda down pat.

 

[jpn]

What's Trump going to do? Sanctions won't stop Russia. We don't have enough weapons and Ukraine is getting pretty low on troops.

Trump is going to pressure Ukraine to give Putin what he wants.
Fortunately, unlike Trump, most European nations still support democracy and international law, so they will support Ukraine. I believe that may be sufficient to keep Ukraine going.

 

[jpn]

No he would have failed on that objective. Finland and Sweden joined NATO due to Putins's invasion of Ukraine giving NATO more territory bordering Russia. And those countries have stronger economies and military than Ukriane. All this at a massive cost to Russia in terms of manpower, material and money

100 percent.

 

[jpn]

We’ve been hearing the exact same claims about “Russian colossal failures” and “inevitable Ukrainian victory once they just get this next wunderwaffe!” for three years now, and every time it’s turned out to be hot air.

Putin's invasion has been a colossal failure by almost any measure, especially when compared to his original goals and expectations.

I haven't heard the "inevitable Ukrainian victory" part. Perhaps you could share a link to it?

 

[911Sparky]

If the war ended today, with the land Russia has taken, Putin will have achieved his objective: To create a buffer between NATO and Russia.

At the cost of an additional 600 miles of NATO borders, Finland and Sweden joining NATO was a net loss for Putin. I don't believe NATO was the reason for the invasion, nor was it to eliminate the Nazi's in Ukraine, or any of Putin's other BS excuses, he is trying unsuccessfully to rebuild
the old USSR, and he wanted access to Ukrainian resources.

 

[Tangmo]

At the cost of an additional 600 miles of NATO borders, Finland and Sweden joining NATO was a net loss for Putin. I don't believe NATO was the reason for the invasion, nor was it to eliminate the Nazi's in Ukraine, or any of Putin's other BS excuses, he is trying unsuccessfully to rebuild
the old USSR, and he wanted access to Ukrainian resources.

Yes and more.

Putin's plan with the then Chancellor of Germany Andrea Merkel was since 2006 for Putin to seize Ukraine, shut off the flow of Russian gas to Europe through the overland pipelines in Ukraine, shift the flow of the Russian gas from Russia to Germany and Europe via the Nord Stream Serpent pipelines under the Baltic.

At which point the Russo-German Nord Stream Energy Axis of Blackmail Against Europe would exercise its geostrategic mastery over the continent. Europe under Russo-German energy blackmail would necessarily separate from the USA. The EU and NATO would be separated from the USA and be forced to fight or submit to Russian ordered dissolution.

From 2019 and through 2020 the US Congress rushed three packages of sanctions against NS pipeline consrtuction that delayed the project completion until the idiot Biden removed the sanctions in the spring of 2021, after which construction to the pipeline landfall in Germany was realized. However the new German Chancellor Scholz prevented certification of the NS 2 pipeline when in February 2022 Putin invaded Ukraine which had always been his plan.

Then again the US and Ukraine blew up the pipelines in September '22 to get even and as an atonement by Germany of the East German Merkel's BFF partnership with Putin in the years long Russo-German wicked scheme. Of course, the USA and Ukraine denied it, and the Europeans who perfunctorily investigated said oops, snake eyes. Game Over.

 

[Quag]

Those two countries are not as useful for NATO aggression toward Russia.

Theer is no NATO agression but together they have almost 5X the GDP of Ukraine, stronger militaries how could they be less useful than Ukraine in the event attack by Russia?

 

[Quag]

NATO is a defensive coalition.

And NATO forces are not engaged in Ukraine.

Russia has little room to speak as they have invaded Ukraine not once but twice.

3 times

 

[multivita-man]

New analysis reveals Russia’s massive summer offensive has been a colossal failure, resulting in microscopic land gains ​

Western media repeatedly fail to understand Russia's goals, which don't necessarily include taking and occupying land, but instead the neutralization of Ukraine's war-fighting capabilities, particularly the capabilities they've gained since 2014. When Ukraine's armed forces ultimately begin to collapse and Ukraine ends up losing decisively, it shouldn't come as a surprise: it's difficult to win a war when one side doesn't even seem to understand what their adversary is trying to achieve.

And speaking of offensives, when is the last time Ukraine launched an actual counter-offensive?

 

[Fledermaus]

Western media repeatedly fail to understand Russia's goals, which don't necessarily include taking and occupying land, but instead the neutralization of Ukraine's war-fighting capabilities, particularly the capabilities they've gained since 2014. When Ukraine's armed forces ultimately begin to collapse and Ukraine ends up losing decisively, it shouldn't come as a surprise: it's difficult to win a war when one side doesn't even seem to understand what their adversary is trying to achieve.

And speaking of offensives, when is the last time Ukraine launched an actual counter-offensive?

Russia has been defanged.....

 

[jpn]

Western media repeatedly fail to understand Russia's goals, which don't necessarily include taking and occupying land, but instead the neutralization of Ukraine's war-fighting capabilities, particularly the capabilities they've gained since 2014. When Ukraine's armed forces ultimately begin to collapse and Ukraine ends up losing decisively, it shouldn't come as a surprise: it's difficult to win a war when one side doesn't even seem to understand what their adversary is trying to achieve.

This is a fantasy. Putin's goal has always been to reconstitute the old, failed USSR. He wants his Russian empire back. He wants Ukraine to be either part of Russia or a wholly subservient vassal state.

Ukraine wants only to be free.

 

[pedex]

This is a fantasy. Putin's goal has always been to reconstitute the old, failed USSR. He wants his Russian empire back. He wants Ukraine to be either part of Russia or a wholly subservient vassal state.

Ukraine wants only to be free.

ya and if South Vietnam goes communist the whole world will be communist

 

[jpn]

ya and if South Vietnam goes communist the whole world will be communist

No, just South Vietnam.

 

[Fledermaus]

ya and if South Vietnam goes communist the whole world will be communist

No, just South Vietnam.

Laos and Cambodia ring a bell?

 

[multivita-man]

Russia has been defanged.....

Right, that's why Ukraine, the EU, and the US are pushing for a ceasefire and Russia is rejecting it.

Well of course Russia's objecting it - they're monsters who love killing people for sport!

No, Russia's rejecting a ceasefire because a ceasefire would be used as a timeout, not for negotiations toward something both sides can agree on but so that Ukraine could regroup their worn-out forces, rebuild infrastructure, and rearm, and so that Europe could also rearm.

Russia's position has been clear for quite some time. Ukraine will be a non-NATO entity. Now whether Russia achieves that in precisely the manner they desire remains to be seen. The costs for their war are indeed rising - that's true. But they are in a much stronger position than Ukraine is right now.

 

[Fledermaus]

Right, that's why Ukraine, the EU, and the US are pushing for a ceasefire and Russia is rejecting it.

Well of course Russia's objecting it - they're monsters who love killing people for sport!

No, Russia's rejecting a ceasefire because a ceasefire would be used as a timeout, not for negotiations toward something both sides can agree on but so that Ukraine could regroup their worn-out forces, rebuild infrastructure, and rearm, and so that Europe could also rearm.

Russia's position has been clear for quite some time. Ukraine will be a non-NATO entity. Now whether Russia achieves that in precisely the manner they desire remains to be seen. The costs for their war are indeed rising - that's true. But they are in a much stronger position than Ukraine is right now.

Ukraine WAS a non-NATO nation.

Look what happened.

 

[multivita-man]

Ukraine WAS a non-NATO nation.

That was becoming one.

Look what happened.

FAFO.

 

[jpn]

Laos and Cambodia ring a bell?

Yep.

 

[Fledermaus]

That was becoming one.



FAFO.

Eventually maybe. And?

And FAFO?

What exactly did Ukraine FA to deserve an invasion by Russia?

 

[Luce]

Eventually maybe. And?

And FAFO?

What exactly did Ukraine FA to deserve an invasion by Russia?

They existed.

When you strip away all the bullshit excuses, that's what is left.

 

[Jredbaron96]

That was becoming one.

Because of Russia.