Psychopath Democrat rioters destroying Philadelphia running over police officers

[Kurmugeon]

And the MSM is not helping low-income, urban Blacks either:

 

[cman]

Thank you for demostrating your racism. If the nation was turned over to blacks, TRUMP WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ELECTED. Do you understand how racist and idiotic your rant actually is?

Doesn't matter who the President is, little one! The blacks own this country! And the President, whether Democrat or Republican, is going to do whatever they demand. Even the police won't stop them when they're rioting and looting, and burning down our cities.
And GOD FORBID that a white person call them n*****, or offend them in any way. That person will loose their job, their reputation.... their very livelihood.

I suppose the angel of the Lord said it best in Daniel 11:16 when he said of the end-time beast called "man of lawlessness".

"He shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand in his way."

 

[switt]

To think that there is any realm of a possibility that conservative Trump supporters are involved in the mayhem in our cities is beyond ludicrous.

No, don't think Trump supporters nor Biden supporters are the rioters or looters. Those low lifes just come out of their wholes and take what they can when our governance is weak. They don't give a shit about politics, aren't Dems or Antifa. We are the ones assigning them to a political group.

 

[Chuck9788]

No, don't think Trump supporters nor Biden supporters are the rioters or looters. Those low lifes just come out of their wholes and take what they can when our governance is weak.

The Democrat controlled leaders in our cities and states are WEAK. Thee's a reason why we are seeing violence in places like Portland, Seattle, Los Angeles, Philadelphia and New York City.

 

[switt]

The Democrat controlled leaders in our cities and states are WEAK. Thee's a reason why we are seeing violence in places like Portland, Seattle, Los Angeles, Philadelphia and New York City.

Ever notice that Trump is never responsible for anything? Wonder why things were calmer under Obama?

 

[Praxas]

Doesn't matter who the President is, little one! The blacks own this country! And the President, whether Democrat or Republican, is going to do whatever they demand. Even the police won't stop them when they're rioting and looting, and burning down our cities.
And GOD FORBID that a white person call them n*****, or offend them in any way. That person will loose their job, their reputation.... their very livelihood.

I suppose the angel of the Lord said it best in Daniel 11:16 when he said of the end-time beast called "man of lawlessness".

"He shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand in his way."

The blacks are coming, the blacks are coming, the blacks are coming, are you the Paul Revere of racists?

 

[calamity]

Did these Philly cops also use Hitler speeches for motivation like those in KY?

Kentucky State Police training presentation quoting Hitler is 'unacceptable,' governor says

The Kentucky State Police training slideshow by a former top official quoted Adolf Hitler three times and advocated for officers to use "ruthless" violence.

www.usatoday.com

 

[veritas1]

No you didn't. You threw up a link and said this says you're wrong but you didn't say about what or what information that link was supposed to be conveying so I didn't know what the **** you're talking about. I went back and looked anyway and while the U.S. has more immigrants in raw numbers, Canada has more per capita. But I wasn't even arguing immigration, I was making a point that immigration numbers isn't any kind of evidence that goes to prove your point. I believe the even more than Canada the country with the most immigrants per capita is Saudi Arabia. Again, learn the difference between correlation and causation.



I didn't say you should idolize Washington but you should.



You just said it in the quote above this my guy.



You're confusing two separate arguments. Slavery is just one of the reasons for reparations but in this context I mentioned slavery as one of the horrors of capitalism. Slavery still exists in every part of the world, including the U.S.. Black market slavery is a billion dollar industry.



Sweden, Denmark, Canada, hell Singapore manages to provide Healthcare as a right to their citizens without economic ruin. You can't even provide any specifics on what these ruinous policies are. All you got is fear mongering. That's why conservatism is only attractive to the God fearing. You might as well be like your buddy cman and come in here screaming that Bernie is the devil.



More fearmongering. Name a specific politician and their policy. How hard is that?

1. Per capita? Saudi Arabia? Really? More people come to the US by a wide margin than any other country. That's a fact and they wouldn't be coming here if they didn't see this place as the best prospect for their future security and well being.

2. The original post where I referenced Washington was #163 and I didn't say a damn thing about needing to idolize him. I said that he was absolutely vital to the US gaining independence when we did. Then I said that there are many more reasons to give him our esteem than not to. At least comment on something I actually posted.

3. Slavery has nothing to do with capitalism per se. It has to do with the exercise of power. Entire nations like the Soviet Union have been made slaves and they were not capitalist in any sense of the word. As for reparations, if they are not for slavery, what are they for? And why should any person now living be paying them? Reparations are a pernicious idea and, just like when the left had no intention of stopping at destroying only Confederate statues, they have no intention of stopping at one dose of reparations. They'll come back again and again.

4. I wasn't just talking about medicine but the entire socialist plan laid out in the manifesto . Socialized medicine is a nightmare, however. When government can tell doctors how much money they can make, guess what happens? You get many fewer doctors and the most capable ones go elsewhere. When procedures are capped at a certain value, guess what? You get fewer necessary procedures performed and people die from lack of care. When you are subsidizing everyone, you must, by necessity, limit your cost per patient. The private medical profession does not have this problem and it is why we have insurance companies. The entire socialized infrastructure also cannot serve people in a timely manner. It doesn't have that capacity.

So, people wait weeks or months for things that would be done expeditiously under a private system. Just as an example, my mother needed cataract surgery and got it done within two weeks. The father of my friend in Canada needed the same thing and he waited 14 months. All that socialized medicine does is put everyone on the same program of substandard care. Of course, the elites will continue to enjoy private doctors and top end care. It's the rest of us who will suffer. This isn't fear mongering. It's what happens when socialized medicine is practiced. Also, you should be able to figure out why comparing the US to small, insular nations like Sweden or Denmark is a useless exercise.

5. Look, it's not difficult. Is Baltimore a success? Detroit? Oakland? These and many other of our worst cities have been run by Democrats for decade after decade. Obviously, their ideas do not work or things wouldn't be as they are. Just look at NYC since DeBlasio took over. It's a crime infested wreck. He makes Bloomberg look like a genius and forget even talking about Giuliani.

 

[Master Debator]

More people come to the US by a wide margin than any other country. That's a fact..

Yes that is a fact.

and they wouldn't be coming here if they didn't see this place as the best prospect for their future security and well being.

This is specious reasoning. There could be a myriad of reasons why they come to U.S. over other countries from accessibility to financial limitations.

2. The original post where I referenced Washington was #163 and I didn't say a damn thing about needing to idolize him. I said that he was absolutely vital to the US gaining independence when we did.

I don't care about America the imaginary entity. In reality he fought for independence for wealthy, white land owners. He helped disenfranchise poor whites and blacks alike as much as any King across the pond. I'm sorry you fell for the propaganda of your masters, except I'm not. To me Washington and the Founders are no different than any other fundamentalist Islamic rebel group that seizes power and insures freedom and liberty for themselves and subjugation for everyone else. Liberty and freedom for all came to America in 1965 and you black Civil rights leaders to thank for that not slaver George Washington.

Then I said that there are many more reasons to give him our esteem than not to. At least comment on something I actually posted.

Stop crying. Its embarrassing.

3. Slavery has nothing to do with capitalism per se.

You miss my point. Capitalism has no objection to slavery, it's society who does. We don't follow the dictates of capitalism it is we who dictate to capitalism to impose rules and law and order as we do in any other aspect of human lives. The people like you who want to worship capitalism don't understand it all. Capitalism can be a tool of atrocity when directed just as any other ism.

As for reparations, if they are not for slavery, what are they for?

Not just for slavery. There was the violence after reconstruction, segregation, red lining, the war on drugs, mandatory minimums... the list of white aggressions on black americans isn't short.

And why should any person now living be paying them?

Because we'll make you.

Reparations are a pernicious idea and, just like when the left had no intention of stopping at destroying only Confederate statues, they have no intention of stopping at one dose of reparations. They'll come back again and again.

Elections have consequences and so does waning political power.

4. I wasn't just talking about medicine but the entire socialist plan laid out in the manifesto . Socialized medicine is a nightmare, however.

Not according to the world's health professionals.

 

[veritas1]

Yes that is a fact.

This is specious reasoning. There could be a myriad of reasons why they come to U.S. over other countries from accessibility to financial limitations.

I don't care about America the imaginary entity. In reality he fought for independence for wealthy, white land owners. He helped disenfranchise poor whites and blacks alike as much as any King across the pond. I'm sorry you fell for the propaganda of your masters, except I'm not. To me Washington and the Founders are no different than any other fundamentalist Islamic rebel group that seizes power and insures freedom and liberty for themselves and subjugation for everyone else. Liberty and freedom for all came to America in 1965 and you black Civil rights leaders to thank for that not slaver George Washington.

Stop crying. Its embarrassing.

You miss my point. Capitalism has no objection to slavery, it's society who does. We don't follow the dictates of capitalism it is we who dictate to capitalism to impose rules and law and order as we do in any other aspect of human lives. The people like you who want to worship capitalism don't understand it all. Capitalism can be a tool of atrocity when directed just as any other ism.

Not just for slavery. There was the violence after reconstruction, segregation, red lining, the war on drugs, mandatory minimums... the list of white aggressions on black americans isn't short.

Because we'll make you.

Elections have consequences and so does waning political power.

Not according to the world's health professionals.

Thanks for proving my point. You won't stop at slavery (for which no living person is responsible) but will come back again and again in your effort at legalized theft. So, no, we aren't going to pay your extortion.

These so called "health professionals" get top notch care. It's the rest of us who they want to give crap care to. We're just the proletariat.

 

[US&THEM]

And the MSM is not helping low-income, urban Blacks either:

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Where is the accurate cartoon showing the rightwing groups using the marches to start fires and kill others?

 

[Master Debator]

Thanks for proving my point. You won't stop at slavery (for which no living person is responsible) but will come back again and again in your effort at legalized theft. So, no, we aren't going to pay your extortion.

Yes you will. Legalized theft isn't a scary term for me, you just mean taxes. Boo hoo. All government confiscation of wealth and property is legalized theft. That would be the legal part of the equation. So what? You don't want to be held to the legal decisions of this government then go live in the woods or keep us from power by winning elections.

These so called "health professionals" get top notch care. It's the rest of us who they want to give crap care to. We're just the proletariat.

The people who get top notch care are our elected officials, including Republicans, who get the very best socialized medicine this country has to offer.

 

[veritas1]

Yes you will. Legalized theft isn't a scary term for me, you just mean taxes. Boo hoo. All government confiscation of wealth and property is legalized theft. That would be the legal part of the equation. So what? You don't want to be held to the legal decisions of this government then go live in the woods or keep us from power by winning elections.

The people who get top notch care are our elected officials, including Republicans, who get the very best socialized medicine this country has to offer.

Oh, the winning election part is coming right up. It's funny how you favor legalized theft as long as you get the spoils. Amazing.

The elites don't get socialized medicine anymore than they fly coach or eat at Wendys. They get the best private care that money can buy and that means doctors, hospitals, clinics, you name it. You know it's true because it's what you'd do, too, if in their shoes.

 

[Master Debator]

Oh, the winning election part is coming right up. It's funny how you favor legalized theft as long as you get the spoils. Amazing.

What you see as spoils I see as just compensation for physical, emotional and financial wrongs. The people who perpetuated and benefitted from that were Americans and the country that prospered from it was America and the bill is owed and it will be paid, whether you like or not.

The elites don't get socialized medicine anymore than they fly coach or eat at Wendys. They get the best private care that money can buy and that means doctors, hospitals, clinics, you name it. You know it's true because it's what you'd do, too, if in their shoes.

I am the wealthy and more than that my family members are mostly doctors and surgeons. Believe me, if I needed anything done, I'm getting in before almost anyone. No, what I'm talking about is that tax payers pay for the Healthcare of our elected officials for the rest of their lives and its better care than even I would get all while Republican congressmen convince marks like you that its a show of patriotism to purchase private health insurance at exuberant prices that will bankrupt you anyway or cancel coverage when you really really need it.

 

[veritas1]

What you see as spoils I see as just compensation for physical, emotional and financial wrongs. The people who perpetuated and benefitted from that were Americans and the country that prospered from it was America and the bill is owed and it will be paid, whether you like or not.

I am the wealthy and more than that my family members are mostly doctors and surgeons. Believe me, if I needed anything done, I'm getting in before almost anyone. No, what I'm talking about is that tax payers pay for the Healthcare of our elected officials for the rest of their lives and its better care than even I would get all while Republican congressmen convince marks like you that its a show of patriotism to purchase private health insurance at exuberant prices that will bankrupt you anyway or cancel coverage when you really really need it.

Reparations is theft. It's punishing the sons for the transgressions of the fathers or grandfathers or great grandfathers. It is a pernicious and dangerous idea. Oh, and what Americans have benefitted? The people of Appalachia? The poor inner city whites? The descendants of abolitionists? The immigrant who just became a citizen? What you mean is that you want to punish anyone who has made some sort of success in life (and who happens to be white) simply because enough people have decided to vote themselves the wealth of others. BTW, since you're family is well off I expect you'll be giving away your share to somebody else. It's always easy to be generous with other people's money.

So, you can easily escape the substandard socialized care you recommend for others. That's hardly bolstering your case.

 

[Kurmugeon]

Where is the accurate cartoon showing the rightwing groups using the marches to start fires and kill others?

I don't know... maybe there are none, because it never happened!?

Why don't you go look real hard!

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[Master Debator]

Reparations is theft. It's punishing the sons for the transgressions of the fathers or grandfathers or great grandfathers. It is a pernicious and dangerous idea.

Oh, and what Americans have benefitted? The people of Appalachia? The poor inner city whites? The descendants of abolitionists? The immigrant who just became a citizen? What you mean is that you want to punish anyone who has made some sort of success in life (and who happens to be white) simply because enough people have decided to vote themselves the wealth of others. BTW, since you're family is well off I expect you'll be giving away your share to somebody else. It's always easy to be generous with other people's money.

The black residents of Louisville didn't murder Breonna Taylor but their tax dollars will go to paying out the settlement to her family. That's how this nation works. If you don't like it, kick rocks.

So, you can easily escape the substandard socialized care you recommend for others. That's hardly bolstering your case.

What I argue for would result in the elimination of private health insurance and so I would be subject to the same care as everyone else.

 

[veritas1]

The black residents of Louisville didn't murder Breonna Taylor but their tax dollars will go to paying out the settlement to her family. That's how this nation works. If you don't like it, kick rocks.

What I argue for would result in the elimination of private health insurance and so I would be subject to the same care as everyone else.

Police are public servants. They are financed with public dollars so if they have to pay a judgment it comes out of those funds. That is far different from the theft you are recommending which is to penalize millions of innocent private citizens just because you think it's a good idea.

Eliminating private insurance guarantees substandard government care for all. Your argument is that, because some can afford better care, we need to make sure everyone receives crappy care. My solution would be to improve the care for those who need it, not degrade it for those who already have it.

 

[Master Debator]

Police are public servants. They are financed with public dollars so if they have to pay a judgment it comes out of those funds. That is far different from the theft you are recommending which is to penalize millions of innocent private citizens just because you think it's a good idea.

Explain to me the intellectual differences between paying out to the family members of Breonna Taylor for wrongs done by state agents and paying out to the descendants of slavery for the wrongs done to them by the state? Slavery wasn't a crime done by criminals hiding their activities from the government. The fault of The Untied States isn't in failing to catch these criminal slavers. It was State sponsored slavery. Protected by the government. And taxed by the government. It was a wrong perpetuated by the State just as much as by individuals.

Eliminating private insurance guarantees substandard government care for all.

Don't just say it, prove it. First world countries with socialized Healthcare get better results and have healthier citizens than we do.

 

[joko104]

Psychopath Democrat rioters destroying Philadelphia running over police officers

This is what most progressive (ie corporate fascist) Democrats want.

 

[veritas1]

Explain to me the intellectual differences between paying out to the family members of Breonna Taylor for wrongs done by state agents and paying out to the descendants of slavery for the wrongs done to them by the state? Slavery wasn't a crime done by criminals hiding their activities from the government. The fault of The Untied States isn't in failing to catch these criminal slavers. It was State sponsored slavery. Protected by the government. And taxed by the government. It was a wrong perpetuated by the State just as much as by individuals.

Don't just say it, prove it. First world countries with socialized Healthcare get better results and have healthier citizens than we do.

No slave is alive. No slaveholder is alive. No government official who oversaw slavery is alive. You want to punish the innocent.

Like my friend from Canada says; their system is great as long as you never get sick. If you have the sniffles, fine. Otherwise, it's a disaster. He talked of his mother who had complications from a routine surgery. The doctors on hand couldn't figure it out yet prevented him from bringing in specialists at his own expense. By the time they got their crap together, his mother had died. That's a good snapshot of what we could expect.

 

[Master Debator]

No slave is alive. No slaveholder is alive. No government official who oversaw slavery is alive. You want to punish the innocent.

Breonna Taylor isn't alive either but her family is still going to get paid and not just by the people who shot her. America is still around and so are the victims of its racist policies.

Like my friend from Canada says; their system is great as long as you never get sick. If you have the sniffles, fine. Otherwise, it's a disaster.

And my Canadian family members love it and think we're morons. So what. What are the quantifiable results? Stop relying on anecdotal evidence and show some facts. Where is America's Healthcare system ranked next to the rest of the developed world? Do you even know?

 

[veritas1]

Breonna Taylor isn't alive either but her family is still going to get paid and not just by the people who shot her. America is still around and so are the victims of its racist policies.

And my Canadian family members love it and think we're morons. So what. What are the quantifiable results? Stop relying on anecdotal evidence and show some facts. Where is America's Healthcare system ranked next to the rest of the developed world? Do you even know?

I already addressed Breonna Taylor and that situation is not germane to the discussion. Nor did she die from racism. She died because her boyfriend is a criminal.

Rankings mean nothing. Who accounts for the ranking? What is the metric? I imagine they talk to a lot of healthy people because all the really sick ones left or died.

 

[Master Debator]

I already addressed Breonna Taylor and that situation is not germane to the discussion. Nor did she die from racism. She died because her boyfriend is a criminal.

You made a argument, it just wasn't a very convincing or well reasoned one. Like it or not reparations have legal precedence.

Rankings mean nothing. Who accounts for the ranking? What is the metric? I imagine they talk to a lot of healthy people because all the really sick ones left or died.

Yes, you do seem to prefer your imagination to reality.

 

[veritas1]

You made a argument, it just wasn't a very convincing or well reasoned one. Like it or not reparations have legal precedence.



Yes, you do seem to prefer your imagination to reality.

Police are funded publicly so public money is used to pay victims. That has nothing to do with reparations. It's not remotely comparable.

Socialized medicine is a disaster for the reasons I've said. Most things that sound good to liberals in theory are a failure in practice.