Psst. Have you heard? Illegal border crossings are down. Way down (1 Viewer)

[medi]

Do you expect people to wade through all that crap formatting to see if you were responding them or not?

NO, I do not. I simply placed that there to make it clear that I studied what threads were already available and that is to indicate two things:

One: I'll do my homework.

Two: Why I chose this thread.

 

[medi]

Ya, border crossings were down under Obama, and then Trump screwed it up.

Do you want to do it again?

These numbers are from the government:

2009 889,212
2010 796,587
2011 678,606
2012 795,735
2013 786,223
2014 805,334
2015 596,560
2016 683,782
2017 607,677
2018 739,486
2019 1,175,841
2020 609,265

Those numbers seem to indicate some degree of incorrectness in your assertion, Exquisitor. And I hope we are going to be dealing with facts as this discussion proceeds and not conjecture.

And on that point of "Fact" I am not at all understanding the title of this thread, because the government of the U.S. had no numbers after 2022, as of about three hours ago.

 

[Bodi]

NO, I do not. I simply placed that there to make it clear that I studied what threads were already available and that is to indicate two things:

One: I'll do my homework.

Two: Why I chose this thread.

You can do one and two in an organized manner that allows people to know that you responded to them as well... try that.

 

[medi]

You can do one and two in an organized manner that allows people to know that you responded to them as well... try that.

Please excuse me, but I do not understand what you are trying to offer as a recommendation for me to use to change to a better style of projecting information.

Is it possible you could rephrase that?

Thank you.

 

[medi]

Please excuse me, but I do not understand what you are trying to offer as a recommendation for me to use to change to a better style of projecting information.

Is it possible you could rephrase that?

Thank you.

Let me offer that I just realized that I made one very stupid mistake. I should have decreased the font size in those two lists. But I hope I'll be forgiven and the edit tool is already expired and I can't fix the error.

 

[medi]

And to add some information to this about some of the research I did I will give everyone this and you will find some excellent links to U.S. government information, as well:

undocumented immigrant | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institutehttps://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/undocumented_immigrant545/15/2024 10:24:47 AM4381https://www.google.com/search?client=-b-e&q=illegal+immigrant+status+in+US

https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2019/table39645/15/2024 10:26:15 AM4382https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/undocumented_immigrant

Table 39. Aliens Removed or Returned: Fiscal Years 1892 to 2019 | Homeland Securityhttps://www.dhs.gov/ohss/topics/immigration/yearbook/2019/table39655/15/2024 10:26:15 AM4383https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2019/table39

Table 41. Aliens Removed by Criminal Status and Region and Country of Nationality: Fiscal Year 2019 | Homeland Securityhttps://www.dhs.gov/ohss/topics/immigration/yearbook/2019/table41655/15/2024 10:26:48 AM4384https://www.dhs.gov/ohss/topics/immigration/yearbook/2019/table39

Yearbook of Immigration Statistics | Homeland Securityhttps://www.dhs.gov/ohss/topics/immigration/yearbook525/15/2024 10:28:00 AM4385https://www.dhs.gov/ohss/topics/immigration/yearbook/2019/table39

Yearbook 2022 | Homeland Securityhttps://www.dhs.gov/ohss/topics/immigration/yearbook/2022575/15/2024 10:28:19 AM4386https://www.dhs.gov/ohss/topics/immigration/yearbook

2023_0818_plcy_yearbook_enforcement_fy2022.xlsxhttps://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-12/2023_0818_plcy_yearbook_enforcement_fy2022.xlsx955/15/2024 10:30:26 AM4387https://www.dhs.gov/ohss/topics/immigration/yearbook/2022

Unauthorized Immigrants | Homeland Securityhttps://www.dhs.gov/ohss/topics/immigration/unauthorized-immigrants675/15/2024 10:39:34 AM4388https://www.dhs.gov/ohss/topics/immigration/yearbook

https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/population-estimates/unauthorized-resident855/15/2024 10:40:02 AM4389https://www.dhs.gov/ohss/topics/immigration/unauthorized-immigrants

Estimates of the Unauthorized Immigrant Population Residing in the United States | Homeland Securityhttps://www.dhs.gov/ohss/topics/immigration/population-estimates/unauthorized-resident865/15/2024 10:40:04 AM4390https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/population-estimates/unauthorized-resident

What we know about unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. | Pew Research Centerhttps://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/16/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/1115/15/2024 10:52:12 AM4391

 

[medi]

So to try and be clear, I would hope we have members here who are sincere is asking and answering questions without the partisan bickering and slander being shoved into the discussion.

You see, I really do not understand a few things and I am obviously trying to find the answers.

If there is nobody here that also is looking for answers, fine by me. I'll cease efforts on this platform, in this community.

 

[ClaraD]

How is South America suppose to get better if everyone is an opportunist and will cut and run at the drop of a hat? If these people are so great then they should be improving their own country rather than living off of someone else's dime.

let me know when we stop trying to mess with those countries and screw up their economies....then they might be able to improve it. Everyone and their mother has been harassing Bukele and fighting what he has done in his country...except the people there.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/nayib-bukele-tough-on-crime-former-ad-man-set-secure-new-el-salvador-term-2024-02-01/

 

[ClaraD]

That is because there is nobody left in Mexico...

interesting considering last I checked the population is over 100 million.

 

[dmpi]

let me know when we stop trying to mess with those countries and screw up their economies....then they might be able to improve it. Everyone and their mother has been harassing Bukele and fighting what he has done in his country...except the people there.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/nayib-bukele-tough-on-crime-former-ad-man-set-secure-new-el-salvador-term-2024-02-01/

We don't just go by ourselves. We get invited by their government to aid and participate. Of course it also has to part of our national interest.

 

[ClaraD]

We don't just go by ourselves. We get invited by their government to aid and participate. Of course it also has to part of our national interest.

look up where the term Banana Republic comes from and look up who William Walker was....then look at what NAFTA and CAFTA did to the economies in Mexico and Central America. Then look up the School of the Americas....we do more than go with other countries....we have directly manipulated and been involved in suppression of the populations in Latin America.

 

[Bodi]

interesting considering last I checked the population is over 100 million.

You have to wait for the next census to determine the population.

 

[ClaraD]

You have to wait for the next census to determine the population.

One was just done in 2020...the population was 126 million...last time I went, it seemed to me traffic in Mexico was worse, not better...it certainly was far from empty.

 

[Crunchtime]

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"From the last four months of 2023 to the first four months of 2024, illegal crossings at the U.S. southwestern border fell a whopping 40 percent, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Such crossings usually rise in the early months of a calendar year, as the weather warms, so this number might even understate the turnaround.

Two takeaways from this development: First, the standard GOP (and media) talking points about the “border crisis” are woefully out of date. Second: Anyone who cares about border security should support a presidential candidate with (ahem) good diplomatic relationships.

...Some relate to President Biden’s domestic policies, such as creating more pathways for lawful entry, which reduce migrants’ incentive to brave dangerous terrain and show up at our border unannounced. The biggest factors, though, appear to be measures not from the United States directly but from our allies. Most significantly: Mexico.

...“It’s mostly about Mexico’s interdiction efforts, especially the ongoing efforts to stop migrants from getting to the U.S.-Mexico border,” said Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, policy director at the American Immigration Council. “That came after negotiations with the Biden administration.”"

Link

The media seems uninterested in the border now.

Tell them about it in Chicago or Denver.

 

[Nickyjo]

How would you like an unwanted guest show up at your house? Now multiply that by a few million. Until that number is zero its still going be a problem.

Haven’t you heard? They are not unwanted. Agriculture interests want them to pick crops, motel owners want them to provide housekeeping, meat packing plants want them to do stuff US citizens don’t want to, and republicans want them for another group to demonize.

 

[Exquisitor]

Indeed, as the article points out:

"Trump supporters have conveniently forgotten that border crossings spiked in 2019 to their highest levels in over a decade and were reversed only when the coronavirus pandemic temporarily disrupted international migration patterns."

Border crossings were down under Obama too.

Hype, hype the border, spread fake news.

 

[Bodi]

One was just done in 2020...the population was 126 million...last time I went, it seemed to me traffic in Mexico was worse, not better...it certainly was far from empty.

That is because all of their best road workers are working in America now...

 

[rational anarchist]

.
"From the last four months of 2023 to the first four months of 2024, illegal crossings at the U.S. southwestern border fell a whopping 40 percent, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Such crossings usually rise in the early months of a calendar year, as the weather warms, so this number might even understate the turnaround.

Two takeaways from this development: First, the standard GOP (and media) talking points about the “border crisis” are woefully out of date. Second: Anyone who cares about border security should support a presidential candidate with (ahem) good diplomatic relationships.

...Some relate to President Biden’s domestic policies, such as creating more pathways for lawful entry, which reduce migrants’ incentive to brave dangerous terrain and show up at our border unannounced. The biggest factors, though, appear to be measures not from the United States directly but from our allies. Most significantly: Mexico.

...“It’s mostly about Mexico’s interdiction efforts, especially the ongoing efforts to stop migrants from getting to the U.S.-Mexico border,” said Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, policy director at the American Immigration Council. “That came after negotiations with the Biden administration.”"

Link

The media seems uninterested in the border now.