Protesters Tear Down Confederate Statue

[HowardBThiname]

You're in a dark and small room using a microscope to see a law on the head of a pin, which means you are missing the whole of the broad and bright landscape out here. The link in the OP for instance discusses context and history in addition to the immediate acts and the law.

And yes, we know the law is the law. It's what you don't know that matters, i.e., the statue of "Silent Sam" celebrates racism, secession, initiating war to pursue 'em, the traitors involved, and it worships and venerates them.

Actually, research shows that it was erected as a memorial to the University's fallen students.

The state government there has enacted a law to protect and preserve every construct of Silent Sam throughout the state. So the university can't do anything itself without violating the law.

The University Board of Directors has strongly denounced the criminals that vandalized the statue and they have promised to bring them to justice.

Indeed, we see that people who make laws and abuse lawmaking exploit their authority, i.e., they limit legal options. They rather invite other options, or impel them or compel same. So I reiterate I hope the judge and public prosecutors in the cases can show a wisdom and prudence the legislature and their sycophant supporters and defenders are devoid of. We have little or no doubt the legislators who enacted the applicable law are racists. Which means they are people with a long term grudge and axe to grind. That is, losers.

I'm sure they'll go fairly easy on the degenerates.

Moreover Justinian was a lawmaker emperor who commissioned a code precedent and model in both its precepts and principles. The Justinian Code endures. What you've missed anew is that you wrote a post defining laws as they suit you, hence my reference to Justinian the law maker and law giver. My comment was that Justinian you're not. What you are is in a spiritual league with the North Carolina legislature. Which means you're defending the statue and all that it represents and stood for. Indeed, the NC legislature cannot be petitioned in the matter either in a practical sense or on the basis of morality. Neither can the rightwingers.

You're so far off in the galaxy with your unrelated posts. You posted an image of the Justinian Code without making your point about how it linked to this thread and then you expected everyone to go read it. That's not the way it works here -- you have to point out what you find relevant about it and then link it to the OP. You did not.

You keep posting incredibly off-the-wall commentary and expecting others to be impressed.

I'll be impressed if you can stay on track.

 

[calamity]

Actually, research shows that it was erected as a memorial to the University's fallen students.



The University Board of Directors has strongly denounced the criminals that vandalized the statue and they have promised to bring them to justice.



I'm sure they'll go fairly easy on the degenerates.




You're so far off in the galaxy with your unrelated posts. You posted an image of the Justinian Code without making your point about how it linked to this thread and then you expected everyone to go read it. That's not the way it works here -- you have to point out what you find relevant about it and then link it to the OP. You did not.

You keep posting incredibly off-the-wall commentary and expecting others to be impressed.

I'll be impressed if you can stay on track.

Spin.

Fact remains the statue commemorates soldiers who fought to preserve slavery, and it was erected by White Supremacists.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Spin.

Fact remains the statue commemorates soldiers who fought to preserve slavery, and it was erected by White Supremacists.

Are you trying to say that the deaths of those students is meaningless?

Do you think the University should just ignore that their students died in a war?

Would you also remove the headstones from the graves of Confederate soldiers so no one could remember or recognize them anymore?

How deep does your hatred really run?

I'm interested.

 

[calamity]

Are you trying to say that the deaths of those students is meaningless?

Do you think the University should just ignore that their students died in a war?

Would you also remove the headstones from the graves of Confederate soldiers so no one could remember or recognize them anymore?

How deep does your hatred really run?

I'm interested.

Pretty deep when it comes to traitorous scum fighting for the right to own slaves.

 

[Greenbeard]

Pretty deep when it comes to traitorous scum fighting for the right to own slaves.

But everyone knows a little property damage is way worse than treason and spilling the blood of your countrymen.

Anyway, just make whoever did this sign an oath that they won't do it again and call it a day. Worked for the traitors.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Pretty deep when it comes to traitorous scum fighting for the right to own slaves.

You do understand that the vast, VAST majority of Confederate soldiers were way too poor to own slaves? They were, in essence, fighting to protect their homes and families.

You do also understand, I hope, that even after Lincoln issued the Proclamation, states in the NORTH continued to own slaves?

What you're missing is that people love their family members and they will honor them. Institutions, such as UNC, will also honor their dead students.

Your ideas are not far removed from those of ISIS.

 

[Tangmo]

Actually, research shows that it was erected as a memorial to the University's fallen students.



The University Board of Directors has strongly denounced the criminals that vandalized the statue and they have promised to bring them to justice.



I'm sure they'll go fairly easy on the degenerates.




You're so far off in the galaxy with your unrelated posts. You posted an image of the Justinian Code without making your point about how it linked to this thread and then you expected everyone to go read it. That's not the way it works here -- you have to point out what you find relevant about it and then link it to the OP. You did not.

You keep posting incredibly off-the-wall commentary and expecting others to be impressed.

I'll be impressed if you can stay on track.

The last part of the post is overbearing, presumptuous, authoritarian. So it misses the point -- yet again. The Confederate monuments in the Old Confederacy worship, celebrate and venerate the Confederacy. Yes the war is long over but the Confederacy continues. The major enabling factor is that Reconstruction was permissive and lax -- forbearing. We'll not make the same mistake again in the aftermath of the current time and circumstance that connects directly to it. Because those who defend the monuments under the pretense of law do in fact defend, protect, preserve and seek to extend the Confederacy, its legacy and its "heritage."' Which is why we need to focus anew on Confederates as the traitors they were and remain.

 

[veritas1]

The last part of the post is overbearing, presumptuous, authoritarian. So it misses the point -- yet again. The Confederate monuments in the Old Confederacy worship, celebrate and venerate the Confederacy. Yes the war is long over but the Confederacy continues. The major enabling factor is that Reconstruction was permissive and lax -- forbearing. We'll not make the same mistake again in the aftermath of the current time and circumstance that connects directly to it. Because those who defend the monuments under the pretense of law do in fact defend, protect, preserve and seek to extend the Confederacy, its legacy and its "heritage."' Which is why we need to focus anew on Confederates as the traitors they were and remain.

It's not a question of defending the Confederacy, whatever that may entail. It's quite simple. If the majority want the statues removed then pass legislation to do it. If you can't get legislation passed then elect new representatives. If that fails, live with the statues or move to another state. Those are the allowed choices. Mob violence isn't one of the allowed choices except among those viscerally opposed to the monuments and unwilling to follow the law.

 

[Tangmo]

It's not a question of defending the Confederacy, whatever that may entail. It's quite simple. If the majority want the statues removed then pass legislation to do it. If you can't get legislation passed then elect new representatives. If that fails, live with the statues or move to another state. Those are the allowed choices. Mob violence isn't one of the allowed choices except among those viscerally opposed to the monuments and unwilling to follow the law.

You ignore the gerrymandering of state legislative districts, same or similar to the federal congressional districts. You also ignore the closures by the state of voting precinct stations in black communities and it areas that have a concentration of Democratic party voters. This is 21st century Jim Crow racism and its reactionary politics of suppression, repression, exclusion. You're trying to cast out voters rather than to accommodate them and to facilitate their Constitutional franchise. Which puts your high ground over there under our feet over here. Obama won NC in 2008 which set the Right off and running to make sure nothing like it happens again.

 

[veritas1]

You ignore the gerrymandering of state legislative districts, same or similar to the federal congressional districts. You also ignore the closures by the state of voting precinct stations in black communities and it areas that have a concentration of Democratic party voters. This is 21st century Jim Crow racism and its reactionary politics of suppression, repression, exclusion. You're trying to cast out voters rather than to accommodate them and to facilitate their Constitutional franchise. Which puts your high ground over there under our feet over here. Obama won NC in 2008 which set the Right off and running to make sure nothing like it happens again.

None of that changes what I said. I'm not trying to cast out anyone. I'm saying that the system must be followed and if you can't get what you want through the system then you accommodate yourself to it or go elsewhere. I've lived in a very blue state my whole life but I do what I can and accept that that's how it is. If things were to ever get intolerable for me here, I'd go somewhere else.

 

[calamity]

None of that changes what I said. I'm not trying to cast out anyone. I'm saying that the system must be followed and if you can't get what you want through the system then you accommodate yourself to it or go elsewhere. I've lived in a very blue state my whole life but I do what I can and accept that that's how it is. If things were to ever get intolerable for me here, I'd go somewhere else.

No. Sometimes the system requires disobedience. And, real Americans willingly accept the consequences of their actions but never accept immoral behavior just because "the law says..."

...but good little Nazis certainly do.

 

[Tangmo]

None of that changes what I said. I'm not trying to cast out anyone. I'm saying that the system must be followed and if you can't get what you want through the system then you accommodate yourself to it or go elsewhere. I've lived in a very blue state my whole life but I do what I can and accept that that's how it is. If things were to ever get intolerable for me here, I'd go somewhere else.

You're not trying to cast out anyone, it's just that if someone doesn't like it where they live they can go somewhere else. You post this cynical absurdity in the context of 21st century Jim Crow laws and politics in North Carolina. That is, the Sam the Sham statue controversy, the law protecting statues indefinitely, and the shuffling of the electoral deck against voters who reject the statues/memorials. That's three strikes so yer out -- grab some bench.

It is indeed quite a thingy to get a rightwinger to throw off his sheep's clothing. And to do it in the broad daylight. It matters not whether the Confederate recognizes his statement of veritas or he just happens to walk right into it. Cause if your statement were a door it would have hit you in the arse on your way through it anyway. Threads get like this. It's like the 5th graders on tv who are practiced at being cute. Despite being at it for a long time they continue to think they're being clever and cute when they're not.

So the take away here is that veritas meets Jim Crow and it is him himself. The proverbial, overused and well worn mirror we know so well.

 

[veritas1]

You're not trying to cast out anyone, it's just that if someone doesn't like it where they live they can go somewhere else. You post this cynical absurdity in the context of 21st century Jim Crow laws and politics in North Carolina. That is, the Sam the Sham statue controversy, the law protecting statues indefinitely, and the shuffling of the electoral deck against voters who reject the statues/memorials. That's three strikes so yer out -- grab some bench.

It is indeed quite a thingy to get a rightwinger to throw off his sheep's clothing. And to do it in the broad daylight. It matters not whether the Confederate recognizes his statement of veritas or he just happens to walk right into it. Cause if your statement were a door it would have hit you in the arse on your way through it anyway. Threads get like this. It's like the 5th graders on tv who are practiced at being cute. Despite being at it for a long time they continue to think they're being clever and cute when they're not.

So the take away here is that veritas meets Jim Crow and it is him himself. The proverbial, overused and well worn mirror we know so well.

You seem to think I've been arguing for the statues when I have done no such thing. Of course, the alternative to what I described would be what? Violence? Civil unrest? Is that your prescription? Since you want to get things on the record, then get it on the record.

 

[Fishking]

How is that usual? You believe AG Sessions is easy on leftists? You don't even know what the out come of this incident is no less make such a sweeping generalization.

Has the violent mobs of leftist been stopped or are their examples of there being solid attempts at it? Why does it still cost $600,000 for Ben Shapiro to speak on a college campus? How much did total security cost the tax payers for all of Trump's rallies to be protected during the campaign?

 

[Fishking]

If you read the article you would know that the statue was owned by that State . The university has been trying to take it down for 50 years but State law forbid it. Those protestors just saved the university $300,000 which is what they spent last year protecting it. It seems to me they did the college a favor.

You first write about sweeping generalizations about the left but then go ahead and condone destruction of property. The irony is thick.

 

[calamity]

You seem to think I've been arguing for the statues when I have done no such thing. Of course, the alternative to what I described would be what? Violence? Civil unrest? Is that your prescription? Since you want to get things on the record, then get it on the record.

Sounds like the exact compromise the Republicans made in the later 1800's when they chose political expediency over protecting the rights of blacks.

 

[calamity]

You first write about sweeping generalizations about the left but then go ahead and condone destruction of property. The irony is thick.

Property that 100% deserves to be destroyed. Yes! I will support that every day.

 

[Tangmo]

You seem to think I've been arguing for the statues when I have done no such thing. Of course, the alternative to what I described would be what? Violence? Civil unrest? Is that your prescription? Since you want to get things on the record, then get it on the record.

Let's be more relaxed about it than that "on the record" stuff, okay. You're the guy who's on the record and everything you've said makes things over here gravy. I mean, when a Confederate doesn't know and realize he's a Confederate there isn't much there to work with. Just wind him up and let him go. You denied wanting to cast out voters in NC who disagree with you while at the other end of the posting box you said people who are not happy where they are can go somewhere else. That's classic stuff my friend. It is veritas by any other name.

 

[lurchadams]

I wonder if anyone will actually be charged with a crime this time, or will they get a free pass like leftist criminality is getting these days.

Says the person defending the criminality in the White House. Oh, Irony... you never cease to disappoint

 

[veritas1]

Let's be more relaxed about it than that "on the record" stuff, okay. You're the guy who's on the record and everything you've said makes things over here gravy. I mean, when a Confederate doesn't know and realize he's a Confederate there isn't much there to work with. Just wind him up and let him go. You denied wanting to cast out voters in NC who disagree with you while at the other end of the posting box you said people who are not happy where they are can go somewhere else. That's classic stuff my friend. It is veritas by any other name.

I said they were free to stay or go. It has zero to do with agreeing with me. It has to do with abiding by the law. Funny how this is suddenly about me. You guys are as predictable as sunrise. You also failed to answer my question.

 

[iguanaman]

You first write about sweeping generalizations about the left but then go ahead and condone destruction of property. The irony is thick.

So you think that ancient relic is worth $300K a year to protect?

 

[lurchadams]

Virtually ALL commemorative statues are of people who are dead now, Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson, et. al., but they still belong to someone. In this case, the statue was university property.

If the kids are lucky, they will only be suspended. But, it's likely they get charged with felonies, which is also proper.

I think they should replace the white supremacist statue with a statue of donald trump banging a young woman with Melania watching while nursing their newborn son. That'll show those damn libtards!

 

[veritas1]

Property that 100% deserves to be destroyed. Yes! I will support that every day.

When do the monuments to Washington and Jefferson come down? I mean, let's be consistent. They owned slaves after all. That is the logical outcome of your policy.

 

[lurchadams]

Almost every day, you say something so stupid that it boggles the mind. This has got to be right up there at the top of the dumb-ass list. The university owns the statue and they actively "investigating the vandalism."

There will be a price to pay when the criminals are caught.

I agree. The same goes for the criminals in and around our current White House!

 

[lurchadams]

Why is everything solved with protest nowadays? Whatever happened to petitions and referendums? Methinks they need to rely on protesting because they know most people don't have a problem with the statues.

It is protests that resulted in women and black people being able to vote and it was protests that resulted in black children being able to go to the same schools and use the same drinking fountains as white children. Protesting frequently is the only way to see that justice is done.