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New York (CNN) -- With chants and banners, opponents of the planned construction of an Islamic community center and mosque near ground zero faced off Sunday with demonstrators in favor of the facility.
Hundreds of critics and supporters of the proposed center in New York showed up despite an overcast and drizzly sky to express their views amid the national debate over the facility.
Police estimated that supporters of the center numbered up to 250, and critics numbered about 450 during the demonstration.
A banner on the anti-center side said, "Land of the free. Stop sharia before it stops you," referring to Islamic law. Another sign read, "No mosque here. Preserve the dignity of our loved ones killed on 9/11."
Another critic, Shawn Gilfeather, called it "a breeding ground for terrorists."
Two questions, How many faiths will they allow to have services in their mosque....er, uh....Community center?
And, will they be teaching Shria law in that place?
j-mac
Two questions, How many faiths will they allow to have services in their mosque....er, uh....Community center? And, will they be teaching Shria law in that place?
j-mac
It's a community centre where anyone can go... do Muslims go into Christain Churches or Synagogues and start praying? I mean if you REALLY REALLY feel that you have to go pray in a Muslim Prayer Room be my guest
Does it matter? I Mean surely ANY muslim place of worship COULD teach Sharia Law, why not tear them all down?
Teaching Shria law? What the hell does that mean? They can teach the history and culture of their faith all they want. Just like the Catholic church, just like the Jewish Synagogue.
What you're not understanding is that the fringe-right, Newt, Sean, Glenn, having been ginning this thing up and painting an false picture of Imam and the Center.
Get better informed and then rejoin the thread.
The ignorance of people trying to associate an entire religion with extremists.
Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York
How does building a Community Center over a Burlington Coat Factory effect the dignity of 9/11 victims?
Does Bruce Springstein know that these wing-nuts have hijacked his song "Born in the USA"?
I guess the Constitution is an inconvenient document...
Pretty pathetic, if you ask me, that a multi-cultured country can be so racist and xenophobic.
Check out this genius:
Where, on the basketball court or the Child Care room?? What an idiot. Thanks Glenn and Sean for dumbing down our country and wiping your ass with the Bill of Rights. 'Freedom of Religion (except Islam)'. Idiots!
I guess the Constitution is an inconvenient document to some people...
Pretty pathetic, if you ask me, that a freedom loving country can be so bigoted and politically correct...
Thanks MSNBC and MoveOn for dumbing down our country and wiping your ass with the Bill of Rights. 'Freedom of Speech and Assembly (except against Islam)'. Idiots!
Seriously Hazl, what you'r doing is no different than what they're doing. They're using their CONSTITUTIONAL right to free speech to speak against something, just as you are.
Speaking of Glenn Beck..
Dems are protesting his insensitivity of his planned Honor rally to be held in front of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC 47 yrs. to the day of MLK's "I have a dream speech."
Dems are saying Aug. 28th is something special.
Do you see the hypocracy here?
You brought up Glenn. There are already many threads on the Mosque.Why don't you start a thread to talk about that. This one already has a topic.
However it is those like yourself hazelnut on the liberal fringe that are defending this mosque as some sort of community center now, but any analogy you make is to a church, or synagogue. Interesting. But we can not call this mosque of conquest what it is, a mosque? why?
What false picture are they painting, and be specific with quotes please.
How near? Just over two blocks. Two long blocks, in fact. The Washington Post noted that the location is "roughly half a dozen normal lower Manhattan blocks from the site of the North Tower, the nearer of the two destroyed in the attacks.”
Ros-Lehtinen's comments raised another highly controversial issue in this mosque debate — whether it is fair to call Rauf a "radical” who endorses extremism, or whether Crowley was more accurate calling him a "moderate.” We felt that was too subjective an issue to rate on the Truth-O-Meter, but we can add a few facts to the discussion.
Last year, the New York Times reported that those who have worked with Rauf described him "as having built a career preaching tolerance and interfaith understanding.”
In an interview with the New York Daily News in May, Rauf said, "We condemn terrorists. We recognize it exists in our faith, but we are committed to eradicate it.”
"We want to rebuild this community,” Rauf said. "This is about moderate Muslims who intend to be and want to be part of the solution.”
On Fox News recently, Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League — which opposes construction of the mosque so close to Ground Zero — said that "as far as we're concerned, he is what he is, a moderate imam. He certainly has spoken out against some of the extremism in the Islamic world.”
is that kind of bull necessary? Why don't you try actually having a discussion instead of showing your ass all the time?
Who's doing that? Your response seems a little defensive.
You brought up Glenn. There are already many threads on the Mosque.
This is about the protest of the mosque and the "impotent rage."
I was comparing one protest to another protest and what I view as hypocracy on the part of the left.
I think it fits in this thread.
I guess I have to do your homework for you.
Fact-checking the 'Ground Zero mosque' debate
Here's some FACTS, I bet you didn't know:
I don't want to post the whole article, but trust you will read it and get the facts straight in your head.
j-mac, when your posts are based on incorrect information, then I have no choice but to dismiss you, as you're not adding anything of value to the thread. Get it?
Try not to take it so hard. Just get better informed and know what you're talking about before you post.
If your question is: Who is trying to associate an entire religion with a tiny group of violent extremists-- um, let's see... Newt, Sean, Glenn... You.
And, as I'm sure you know, there are limits to Free Speech. Should anyone cross the line and start talking about a criminal act against the Community Center in lower Manhattan... That speech is not protected.
Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York
How does building a Community Center over a Burlington Coat Factory effect the dignity of 9/11 victims?
Does Bruce Springstein know that these wing-nuts have hijacked his song "Born in the USA"?
I guess the Constitution is an inconvenient document...
Pretty pathetic, if you ask me, that a multi-cultured country can be so racist and xenophobic.
Check out this genius:
Where, on the basketball court or the Child Care room?? What an idiot. Thanks Glenn and Sean for dumbing down our country and wiping your ass with the Bill of Rights. 'Freedom of Religion (except Islam)'. Idiots!
Lincoln wasn't our greatest president.But that's a false analogy.
Dems aren't the only ones who believe the Constitution must trump our hate and fear of extremists. Many conservative do too. Unfortunately, too many conservatives have been misinformed by Fox and Newt; getting bad facts only corrupts the Free Speech.
And having Glenn Beck on his soap box anywhere near the Lincoln Memorial is so laughably disturbing. Why not have Sarah Palin there, too, and completely crap on the memory of our greatest President.
But that's a false analogy.
Dems aren't the only ones who believe the Constitution must trump our hate and fear of extremists. Many conservative do too. Unfortunately, too many conservatives have been misinformed by Fox and Newt; getting bad facts only corrupts the Free Speech.
And having Glenn Beck on his soap box anywhere near the Lincoln Memorial is so laughably disturbing. Why not have Sarah Palin there, too, and completely crap on the memory of our greatest President.
Dems aren't the only ones who believe the Constitution must trump our hate and fear of extremists. Many conservative do too. Unfortunately, too many conservatives have been misinformed by Fox and Newt; getting bad facts only corrupts the Free Speech.
Dems aren't the only ones who believe the Constitution must trump our hate and fear of extremists. Many conservative do too. Unfortunately, too many conservatives have been misinformed by Fox and Newt; getting bad facts only corrupts the Free Speech.
The fear, ignorance and hate is spreading. Now it's not just the mosque in Manattan that's facing this ****, but across America. I fear if it does not stop, and soon, we WILL have a holy war on our hands.
The fear, ignorance and hate is spreading. Now it's not just the mosque in Manattan that's facing this ****, but across America. I fear if it does not stop, and soon, we WILL have a holy war on our hands.
BEIRUT: The heated debate across America over the construction of the so-called ''ground zero mosque'' is reverberating across the world, with the potential to create serious diplomatic problems for the US.
Many Muslims abroad are upset by the debate, largely conducted by non-Muslims, which has grown so loud as to become a topic of discussion from Baghdad to Berlin.
On Sunday, the area around the proposed project, two blocks from the former World Trade Centre site, drew hundreds of opponents, some carrying signs associating Islam with blood, and depicting American flags.
Here's the point Zyphlin:
I'm all for Freedom of Speech -- but know what you're talking about or I'll exercise my 1st Amendment Rights to be very critical of your ignorant hateful ranting. (e.g. Fred Phelps)
These people who are against the Community Center, are full of Impotent Rage. They've had the truth distorted and reality all ginned up in their scared little heads. Now they're just spewing vile ignorance.
And, as I'm sure you know, there are limits to Free Speech. Should anyone cross the line and start talking about a criminal act against the Community Center in lower Manhattan... That speech is not protected.
And the ignorant, bigoted crap being spewed yesterday is just a watered down version of that. That's the point.
And if you ever want to address the real issue of associating an entire religeon with a tiny group of violent extremists, let me know. But your tired overgeneralized "moveon, Msnbc" rant is tiresome and boring.
I am the conservative in this argument. I am the one unconditionally embracing the Constitution and the law.
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