Protesters Confront ICE, Military in Los Angeles Park Raid

[jmotivator]

Generations of Angelenos have spent their summers in MacArthur Park without ever encountering drug dealers.

People used to be able to walk the streets of San Francisco without having to dodge human feces and used needles as well. Things change.

 

[Anthony60]

Thx for that because I enjoy watching people who try too hard.

What you posted is about the easiest thing ever to knock down.

 

[Anthony60]

Nope.
I am pointing out that the entire operation was meant to intimidate people living within a US city.
That is not an acceptable use of federal resources

Oh boy, that's just digging your hole deeper.

 

[jmotivator]

There weren’t any gang members there.

You are making a claim that you have no data for. Your issuing an article of faith.

There were only kids playing soccer.

False.

So what was the point of this exercise?

To collect any MS-13 gang members who are known to deal fentanyl in the area. There are hundreds of deaths in MacArthur Park annually from the fentanyl that is sold there. Would you rather that continue?

If there were no gang members there it is because Bass and your gaggle of idiots have decided that warning MS-13 gang members when and where these raids will happen is somehow good for Angelinos. It's as if she'd rather the 1,200 OD deaths to fentanyl and gangs running rampant in her city over cleaning it up.

 

[Anthony60]

Once again nope.
I know for certain that the people cheering this action on would be screaming bloody murder if they were forced to live inside the police state that Trump is working to impose upon US cities.

Police state, LOL! You don't know what a police state is. Oh, the left would love, love, love to be at the head of a police state.

 

[Jezcoe]

Police state, LOL! You don't know what a police state is. Oh, the left would love, love, love to be at the head of a police state.

I have been in a few police states.

Minneapolis for the GOP convention.

NYC for the GOP convention.

NYC immediately after 9/11 was kind of a police state.

It is funny that there is a claim that liberals want a police state when it is Donald J Trump sending masked thugs into cities to clear out public parks for no reason.

 

[jmotivator]

Nope.

I am pointing out that the entire operation was meant to intimidate people living within a US city.

That is not an acceptable use of federal resources

So what you are saying is that we are in danger of the fentanyl dealers being so intimidated that they may never coming back?

 

[Jezcoe]

You are making a claim that you have no data for. Your issuing an article of faith.

They made no arrests. So there weren’t any MS-13 members there.

False

Who else was there?

To collect any MS-13 gang members who are known to deal fentanyl in the area. There are hundreds of deaths in MacArthur Park annually from the fentanyl that is sold there. Would you rather that continue?

Are they doing drug enforcement or immigration enforcement?

If their intention was to pick up gang members… how would they know who was and wasn’t a gang member? Did they do any sort of investigation beforehand? Or did they simply show up to clear out a public park for no reason?

 

[Jezcoe]

So what you are saying is that we are in danger of the fentanyl dealers being so intimidated that they may never coming back?

They weren’t there to begin with.

 

[jmotivator]

They weren’t there to begin with.

They have been there for years. The news was reporting on it until politics required they memory hole it and you folks just become willfully ignorant when necessary.

 

[Jezcoe]

They have been there for years. The news was reporting on it until politics required they memory hole it and you folks just become willfully ignorant when necessary.

I am still confused as to if they are doing drug enforcement or immigration enforcement.

Are we to assume that all of the drug dealers are undocumented immigrants?

 

[CSharp]

They have been there for years. The news was reporting on it until politics required they memory hole it and you folks just become willfully ignorant when necessary.

If they were there then there must have been dozens of arrests? Right?

 

[jmotivator]

They made no arrests. So there weren’t any MS-13 members there.

All that your sources will tell you is they don't know if any arrests were made. You translate that into no arrests were made.

Who else was there?

Drug addicts and their dealers. I've shown you the videos, and those interviews were done in the last few weeks.

Fentanyl grips MacArthur Park as officials talk cleanup | KCRW Features

Locals are frustrated as scenes of open drug use and misery play out day and night in a central LA park. Officials pledge outreach and cleanup.

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The highest concentration of OD deaths in Los Angeles is in MacArthur Park.

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Are they doing drug enforcement or immigration enforcement?

When the drug dealers are illegal alien gang members then they are doing both.

If their intention was to pick up gang members… how would they know who was and wasn’t a gang member? Did they do any sort of investigation beforehand?

LOL. Essentially you ask "How does one... police?"

Or did they simply show up to clear out a public park for no reason?

I've already shown you the reason they had for showing up at that park. But here is the neighborhoods surrounding MacArthur Park and the MS-13 Cliques that control them:



Source

So MacArthur Park is absolutely surrounded by MS-13 cliques, and is an open air drug market... but you'll still believe that MS-13 isn't selling drugs to the addicts in MacArthur park?

Or have you just convinced yourself that there are no addicts to sell to and that you can't believe your lying eyes?

 

[Tangmo]

Absolute nonsense. MacArthur Park has been an open air fentanyl market for years. It's nickname is Fentanyl Park. Anyone taking children there for a "Summer camp" should be fired.

The Generalissimo Trump has just shy of 5000 armed Infantry troops of the Army NG and Marines -- to include 2000 Army NG Military Police -- in the tiny patch of area known as central LA. A more precise number of 'em is 4700 (but I keep seeing 4800 too). The population of central LA approaches 50,000 residents (46,841).

The Generalissimo said the deployment initiated on June 6th would be for 60 dayze and be subject to an extension of time. The Pentagon says the 60 day deployment will cost $135 million bucks all told. The Pentagon's reckoning is that the 60 day deployments total to 282,000 personnel duty days by the activated number of Guard plus the number of active duty Marines.

And as we see by the MacArthur Park ICE Fiasco, all these military forces with ICE are doing is to create fright, fear and terror for the civilian population of the area. DHS and ICE never release information about the number of federal agents deployed anywhere or for any reason, but it's estimated there are several hundred federal goons in central LA. ICE in the area keeps looking for things to do to disturb and dissolve the peace. Trumph needs riots don't we know which LA and CA will not give him.

This is while MAGAs continue to flail away with their drumbeat of criminals, rapists, murderers and druggies which we know from data is a tiny minority. The issue at this point is the Generalissimo and his militarization of blue cities and blue states which because of LA and CA is struggling. Flailing.

 

[jmotivator]

If they were there then there must have been dozens of arrests? Right?

Not every raid turns up dozens of arrests, especially when the local leadership has decided to side with MS-13 over Federal authorities.

 

[jmotivator]

The Generalissimo Trump has just shy of 5000 armed Infantry troops of the Army NG and Marines -- to include 2000 Army NG Military Police -- in the tiny patch of area known as central LA. A more precise number of 'em is 4700 (but I keep seeing 4800 too). The population of central LA approaches 50,000 residents (46,841).

The Generalissimo said the deployment initiated on June 6th would be for 60 dayze and be subject to an extension of time. The Pentagon says the 60 day deployment will cost $135 million bucks all told. The Pentagon's reckoning is that the 60 day deployments total to 282,000 personnel duty days by the activated number of Guard plus the number of active duty Marines.

And as we see by the MacArthur Park ICE Fiasco, all these military forces with ICE are doing is to create fright, fear and terror for the civilian population of the area. DHS and ICE never release information about the number of federal agents deployed anywhere or for any reason, but it's estimated there are several hundred federal goons in central LA. ICE in the area keeps looking for things to do to disturb and dissolve the peace. Trumph needs riots don't we know which LA and CA will not give him.

This is while MAGAs continue to flail away with their drumbeat of criminals, rapists, murderers and druggies which we know from data is a tiny minority. The issue at this point is the Generalissimo and his militarization of blue cities and blue states which because of LA and CA is struggling. Flailing.

Oh no, who knows if the addicts and dealers will ever return!? Such a loss...

They've arrested just shy of 3,000 illegals in Los Angeles during this process. So one of two things has happened: 1) Local Democrat leadership, siding with MS-13 over the federal Government, warned the gang members of the raid so they didn't show up that day or 2) The MS-13 numbers have been greatly diminished already.

#1 is insurrection, #2 is good news.

The problem is you guys are running with this like you have made a massive PR win for.. MS-13? Anyway, it's just your next 80-20 issue that you are determined to be on the 20 side.

 

[Risky Thicket]

From my second link:



Spare me the bullshit.

Great tag line! Tuscon rocks.

 

[Tangmo]

What you posted is about the easiest thing ever to knock down.

MAGA posts about immigrants in LA and CA all of which MAGAs have long term hated are trying very hard indeed. I mean, this is their Big Chance, with the Generalissimo Trumph and His Oberkommando Miller in the WH.

The issue is instead militarizing the blue cities and blue states to the control and abuse of the Generalissimo Trumph.

MAGAs are indeed trying very hard which shows their desperation as ICE fumbles it and flails over it.

 

[georgephillip]

People used to be able to walk the streets of San Francisco without having to dodge human feces and used needles as well. Things change.

I've lived across the street from MacArthur Park for the last 13 years, and I've resided in the same zip code as the park for the last 30.

Currently I spend 1-2 hours a day walking my dog in the park, and I've never encountered any drug dealers; although, human feces and needles are not hard to come by.

These are local problems the LAPD deals well with subject to budget restraints, and with the 2028 Olympic Games on the way, the money necessary to clean up the park and surrounding streets will (temporarily) no longer be a problem.

Trump's display last Monday will only make matters worse if the local residents (citizens and others) continue to perceive future military-style assaults as red meat for the racist cohort in MAGA.

 

[Michael Cole]

They have been there for years.

Dealing drugs is not a reason to deploy troops on the street. Drug dealers are operating right now. In your city. In every city.

If you support a police state, then just admit it.

The news was reporting on it until politics required they memory hole it and you folks just become willfully ignorant when necessary.

 

[Risky Thicket]

I don't understand what they were doing.

Provoking. Their mission there is to provoke. Trump, Miller and MAGAs want violence and confrontation with a bit of blood and destruction mixed it. It is damn difficult for Trump and the MAGAs to continue to refer to the widespread violence when there has been very little.

Trump doesn't need troops involved if he cannot justify the need.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Jezcoe]

All that your sources will tell you is they don't know if any arrests were made. You translate that into no arrests were made

No arrests were made.

There were people there observing this nonsense.

Drug addicts and their dealers. I've shown you the videos, and those interviews were done in the last few weeks.

Does anyone know the immigration status of these people?

When the drug dealers are illegal alien gang members then they are doing both.

When has the immigration status of the drug dealers been determined?

Or have you just convinced yourself that there are no addicts to sell to and that you can't believe your lying eyes?

What I think is that the story that they were there for drug dealers is a retroactive cover story that makes it so MAGA can feel
Comfortable with Federal agents backed up by the military clearing out a public park for no reason while filming themselves doing it.

 

[jmotivator]

I've lived across the street from MacArthur Park for the last 13 years, and I've resided in the same zip code as the park for the last 30.

Currently I spend 1-2 hours a day walking my dog in the park, and I've never encountered any drug dealers; although, human feces and needles are not hard to come by.

HAHAHA!!! You won't spot the drug dealers unless you are shopping for Drug dealers. Are you expecting them to have a billboard?

Funny you don't deny the presence of feces and needles.. and mention nothing of the addicts. I would assume the addicts are there because they don't just stop by MacArthur park to take a shit...

And having "kids play soccer" in an area where used needles and feces "are not hard to come by" isn't problematic for you?

And finally, it's amazing to see your cognitive dissonance on display when you can see the needles and the shit, but not the addicts, or refuse to conclude that the dealers are where the addicts are, even if you don't want to see them. Dealers attract addicts, and addicts don't travel far from the dealers to get high, especially when the police have a laze faire attitude towards drug use in the park.

These are local problems the LAPD deals well with subject to budget restraints, and with the 2028 Olympic Games on the way, the money necessary to clean up the park and surrounding streets will (temporarily) no longer be a problem.

Immigration isn't a local issue, and it wouldn't have escalated to where we are now if local jurisdictions hadn't spent the last few decades actively working against federal authority in enforcing federal law. You brought it on yourselves.

It's like arguing that segregation is a local issue because the problems are mainly local and getting outraged when the NG is called in to enforce federal law.

Trump's display last Monday will only make matters worse if the local residents (citizens and others) continue to perceive future military-style assaults as red meat for the racist cohort in MAGA.

Worse how? Did he ruin the local drug economy?

 

[jmotivator]

Immigration Employees who are conflicted about enforcing immigration law are free to resign.