Protesters call for removal of Christopher Columbus statue

[Baralis]

*sigh*

I'm getting so tired of the whole thing. I would almost support the removal of every statue and monument in the country just to make it stop. I mean every single person in history will have done something that some people will find offensive so where is it going to end?

 

[Cardinal]

"We'll have that discussion"???? Who is "We"??? the mob now taking it upon themselves that they can't go through their day knowing a statue of some faceless Civil War era statue stands in the south? F* em!

Well, local communities aren't removing them on my account. I assume they no longer want them. Also, interesting that you call these statues educational, and books can't be trusted to teach history due to the possibility of being revised, yet these statues are "faceless?" How educational is a "faceless statue?"

Well rudy poo for you! This isn't about whether or not people will know who Lee was, or who Jackson was, I'm sure they will....But who will tell that story? And what will the story be? Will it leave out the fact that Lee served the US army for 35 honorable years before commanding the confederate troops? Will it say that he was at the head of the US Military academy, which produced many fine officers during his time?

A statue told you all that?

Or will history tell the truth, that we in this country went through a period where a segment of the population just couldn't function if they saw, heard, or knew of something out there that they ideologically disagreed with and therefore tried to remove it from sight, or sound so that they could feel comfortable in their mentally unstable lives not having to be remembered that this country has all kinds of history, good, bad, and ugly....This I categorize as ugly.

How will a faceless civil war era statue do all that?

We already know how progressives love to "revise" history.....

I don't subscribe to your ***** culture of being offended as the wind blows son....I wore the uniform of this nations military for 6 years. What did you do? Other than whine, and insult people on an anonymous message board?

Said j-mac while insulting people on an anonymous message board.

 

[VanceMack]

I am 100% opposed to any Confederate statue, but I do not agree with this.

Columbus wasn't the first to discover America, but he was the most important. When the Vikings discovered America, it meant nothing to anyone. When Columbus discovered America, it opened America to Europe.

The celebration isn't about subjugation or genocide, the celebration is about the discovery of the New World by the Old World. The significance of this event cannot be over-stated, despite unfortunate ramifications.

:lamo

How CONVEEEEEEEEEEENIENT.....

 

[Ahlevah]

I've cited some of the history. As you might imagine there wasn't a good census back in 1492, but the estimates are several hundred thousand to 1.5 million. Whatever the number, they were virtually completely wiped out in less than 30 years and in less than 60 years, none remained. An entire population obliterated off that island in one form or another.

If you read that and want to quibble about whether it was "merely" several hundred thousand or the upper estimate, something's telling me you're not actually interested in a rational debate.

Well, maybe they should have done to Columbus what the Filipinos did to Magellan.

Seriously, it's likely Columbus wasn't a saint. I can't really blame him for bringing disease, though. I doubt he knew any better. But when I was growing up and we drew crayon pictures of the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria, it wasn't about venerating Columbus as much as his act of "discovering" the New World. His voyage set in motion a chain of events that led to the settlement of North America by Europeans. We can debate whether or not that act was good and worth celebrating. Personally, I think expanding the European Enlightenment to North America, which set in motion a chain of events that led to the creation of the United States of America, was a good thing and I don't see anything wrong with celebrating that.

 

[VanceMack]

*sigh*

I'm getting so tired of the whole thing. I would almost support the removal of every statue and monument in the country just to make it stop. I mean every single person in history will have done something that some people will find offensive so where is it going to end?

Precisely where you proposed. And then some other form of insult and offense would surface. Because this is all about 'cause'.

 

[Mach]

Liberalism is a sociopathic and psychopathic disorder. My expectation is that liberals hate. It is in their DNA. You see, to be a liberal, one must first hate himself.

You really should have that checked out. Don't worry, you can use Obamacare, it's not going anywhere apparently.

 

[Mach]

History is rewritten as new knowledge and discoveries arise as more facts are discovered.

True

The left wants to rewrite history not because knew knowledge has been discovered but because people's sensitivities have changed.
The facts are no different than they were decades ago.

And yet, removing a public statue is not rewriting history.

Try to be more Moderate in the crazy.

 

[Erod]

I've always wondered how you can "discover" a country that already has lots of people on it.

But this is ludicrous. More symbolic nothingness for liberals to get all bothered about so they don't have to do anything really hard.

 

[Tettsuo]

Just stop already! Our history is our history. Stop trying to erase it, good or bad.

Are you aware just how bizarre your statement is?

There are literal lies taught to children, TODAY, to support the myth of Columbus. If we were actually trying to preserve history, Columbus would be right up there with Hitler as one of the most heinous individual ever born.

If actual history was taught, we'd never have put up a statue of a mass murderer. The true genesis of the problem is the false history that you appear to want to preserve.

 

[earthworm]

I've always wondered how you can "discover" a country that already has lots of people on it.

But this is ludicrous. More symbolic nothingness for liberals to get all bothered about so they don't have to do anything really hard.

Lets STOP making this a liberal/conservative thing ! As usual, its the extremists - those with zero tolerance .. They wish to make this a ''perfect'' world .. HA ! It cannot be done , IMO ..
I say , let us keep the statues and monuments and erect some of Saint Francis .....

 

[Quazimodo]

i finished my associate degree in 2000.
around 2002 or so i went back to college to get my Bachelors. I was working 40 hours a week and on top of it was taking 13-and sometimes 16 hours a semester on the weekend.
I agree i don't see how they do.

Right if i am going to protest something it is going to have to be very important which would be like a ruling that barred or overturned a constitutional amendment or something.
however we are turning into a society where faux outrage is the norm.

Here's how they do it: they are "astroturf" protesters. They get paid. If any of the loonie libbies here at DP think this "protest culture" is grass roots, then they need to read and re-read my definition of a "liberal." Occupy, BLM, marchers at Trump Towers, "protesters" at the GOP National Convention, and this herd are nothing but a bunch of pay-to-play street actors who aren't smart enough to find their way home. They need a bus. Say, all you libbie losers out there, what happened to Russia, Russia, Russia????????

 

[JMaximus]

By today's standards, wasn't everybody back then?

People generally killed people that were different from themselves or that didn't belong to their group.

And it's not even that.

As things sit today, both sides have benefited from the established contact between Old World and New. It's not outrageous to have a day recognizing the moment this began nor to acknowledge that Columbus, love him or hate him (lots of reasons to hate him), was the man responsible for this.

Aftertall, it's not like he was some pedophile to whose grave all white people are obliging themselves to pray five times a day. That kind of a situation would indeed be nuts!

 

[Khayembii Communique]

The US has also been a beacon of hope, and aid to the rest of the world....I don't think there is a country today that matches the good America represents to the world....That you choose to frame this country only by the mistakes of the past shows everyone who you are....

You're the one claiming that by accepting the shameful history, that that somehow means one is "choos[ing] to frame this country only by the mistakes of the past". In reality, if you don't accept the shameful acts as legitimate history of this country, that you're choosing to frame this country only by the positives, which is one-sided. You're doing the exact same thing you're complaining liberals are doing lol.

 

[ludin]

You're the one claiming that by accepting the shameful history, that that somehow means one is "choos[ing] to frame this country only by the mistakes of the past". In reality, if you don't accept the shameful acts as legitimate history of this country, that you're choosing to frame this country only by the positives, which is one-sided. You're doing the exact same thing you're complaining liberals are doing lol.

The only way you can learn from a mistake is if you remember it. Tearing down a statue does nothing. that statue should be there to remind people of what was fought against, and why it was
fought. Kids should be taught why the civil war was fought and the reason behind it.

The majority of people in the south didn't even own slaves. they fought because they saw the federal government attacking them.
they were defending their state.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

The only way you can learn from a mistake is if you remember it. Tearing down a statue does nothing. that statue should be there to remind people of what was fought against, and why it was
fought. Kids should be taught why the civil war was fought and the reason behind it.

A statue is a commemoration. Having a statue of a confederate general located on a slave auction site and was built in the civil rights era isn't a remembrance of history, it's a celebration of racism. Nobody is arguing against what you're saying. If you want a statue to commemorate the fight against the confederate slavers, then build statues honoring union fighters.

Should we build a statue of Mohammad Atta on ground zero to help us remember the history of 9/11? Or maybe some statues of John Wilkes Booth? What about a statue of Oswald in Dealey Plaza?

The majority of people in the south didn't even own slaves. they fought because they saw the federal government attacking them.
they were defending their state.

They didn't have to own slaves to be fighting for slavery.

 

[Jack Hays]

Chicago Vandals Burn Century-Old Bust Of Abraham Lincoln

. . . Emboldened by the violence in Charlottesville, activists and some “journalists” are calling for the removal of all memorials honoring anyone who owned slaves. Not long after President Trump said targeting Confederate statues would lead to tearing down monuments to George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and other Founding Fathers, CNN commentator Angela Rye confirmed his fears:
“We have to get to the heart of the problem here and the heart is the way many of us were taught American history. American history is not all glorious,” Rye said. “George Washington was a slave owner. We need to call them out for what they are, whether we think they were protecting American freedom or not. He wasn’t protecting my freedoms. My ancestors weren’t deemed human beings to him. And so to me, I don’t care if it’s a George Washington statue or a Thomas Jefferson statue, they all need to come down.”
One has to wonder when they’ll want to shred the Constitution, considering that nearly half of the signers owned slaves. . . .

 

[ludin]

A statue is a commemoration. Having a statue of a confederate general located on a slave auction site and was built in the civil rights era isn't a remembrance of history, it's a celebration of racism. Nobody is arguing against what you're saying. If you want a statue to commemorate the fight against the confederate slavers, then build statues honoring union fighters.

We have those as well.

Should we build a statue of Mohammad Atta on ground zero to help us remember the history of 9/11? Or maybe some statues of John Wilkes Booth? What about a statue of Oswald in Dealey Plaza?

that has nothing to do with what we are talking about now does it? they built a 911 memorial for 911. also kinda of irrelevant to the discussion.
no one says you have to build a statue for anything and everything.

They didn't have to own slaves to be fighting for slavery.

i doubt the majority of them where. they had homes, family, etc ... they saw an invading army coming
to destroy that. that would be their view point.

 

[Jack Hays]

Well no it is not. Christopher Columbus is a strange one in history and not exactly a saint.

On the one hand he said "screw you, I will go west to find India" and stumbled on the Americas and claimed to have found new land. He was not the first to find the Americas, that was the Vikings centuries before.

But the consequences of what he did both directly and especially indirectly lead to genocide of the local population. Yes it was in part out of ignorance on diseases but there was also subjugation of natives who were deemed subhuman by the Church.

So one has to question, what exactly are you celebrating by honoring Christopher Columbus? Mass murder in the name of religion? Dumb luck on re-finding a continent? Or is it a celebration of how brave people like him were to map the world? Dunno if all the "good" he did is enough to celebrate considering the genocide he caused.

The chain of events he set in motion enabled my ancestors to escape the stifling society of Europe. That's good enough for me.

 

[ludin]

Chicago Vandals Burn Century-Old Bust Of Abraham Lincoln

. . . Emboldened by the violence in Charlottesville, activists and some “journalists” are calling for the removal of all memorials honoring anyone who owned slaves. Not long after President Trump said targeting Confederate statues would lead to tearing down monuments to George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and other Founding Fathers, CNN commentator Angela Rye confirmed his fears:
“We have to get to the heart of the problem here and the heart is the way many of us were taught American history. American history is not all glorious,” Rye said. “George Washington was a slave owner. We need to call them out for what they are, whether we think they were protecting American freedom or not. He wasn’t protecting my freedoms. My ancestors weren’t deemed human beings to him. And so to me, I don’t care if it’s a George Washington statue or a Thomas Jefferson statue, they all need to come down.”
One has to wonder when they’ll want to shred the Constitution, considering that nearly half of the signers owned slaves. . . .

looks like trump was right again.
these people are fools but then again this is the dark age of thinking we live in.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

From the Columbus, Ohio NBC affiliate:
Protesters gathered in front of Columbus City Hall on Saturday to call for a statue of the city's namesake to be taken down.

Tynan Krakoff is the lead organizer of Showing Up For Racial Justice, the group putting on this rally, and said the statue of Christopher Columbus represents some of the bad in American history.

"We're calling on the city council, the mayor, and the city of Columbus to removed the statue, said Krakoff to NBC4 on Friday.

Some marchers draped a banner over the Columbus statue that read "TOPPLE WHITE SUPREMACY NOW."
Protesters call for removal of Christopher Columbus statue | NBC4i.com

In related news, vandals have damaged both a bust of MLK and a statue of Columbus.
MLK, Christopher Columbus statues vandalized in Houston parks - Houston Chronicle

This is lunacy. Hysteria.

So in Baltimore, "activists" went after a 200 year old Columbus statue.
They hit it with a sledge hammer and destroyed part of the written side of it.
These people need to have to the book thrown at them.

 

[Fenton]

I mean, it will be told the same way it is now, through books and history class. People don't really learn about history from statues. So you could go read a book and it will indeed have his whole history.

Confederate statues are just the begining

The radical Left wing groups that are showing up and protesting include the World Workers party, BLM and ANTIFA.

It was the Workers world party that pulled down the statue in Durham.

So the notion that this stops with Confederate symbolism or thats its solely about removing offensive statues is nonsense.

This is part of a larger ideological left wing agenda to deligitimize this Nation founding fathers and its founding principles as inherently oppressive, racist and evil.

The broad brushing of the GOP, its supporters and Conservatives and Trump supporters as "Alt-Right " and or racist by the Left and the Media is picking up steam also.
Im surprised it took this long.

 

[Athanasius68]

What are you talking about? If telling the TRUTH about our country's history causes some people to feel shame, too bad I guess. Would you prefer this truth, the actual history, be hidden so we can all hang onto dishonest and sanitized myths without suffering from cognitive dissonance?

And the obvious fact is being honest about our history shouldn't cause us shame. We can't change the past, but what we CAN change is what we are today and who we celebrate, memorialize today, what ideas we embrace and guide us forward. I don't see how we can honestly feel more pride in our country and where we are TODAY by lying to ourselves about our past, or, the near equivalent, not talking about, and so ignoring our past.

But who doesnt know that slavery once existed in this country? Are there people advocating its return? I don't think so.
The fate of the Indians in the Caribbean isn't as well known, granted. But then that shows the purpose of the statue was to honor the man and what he did-- open up a new continent.

 

[nota bene]

So in Baltimore, "activists" went after a 200 year old Columbus statue.
They hit it with a sledge hammer and destroyed part of the written side of it.
These people need to have to the book thrown at them.

And in Houston a loner who likes explosives thought he'd blow up a statue of Dick Dowling in the park that is literally across the street from the famed Medical Center.

 

[Quazimodo]

And in Houston a loner who likes explosives thought he'd blow up a statue of Dick Dowling in the park that is literally across the street from the famed Medical Center.

Nota,

I have two questions. We've had statues for a long time. Where were all these cowardly communist Antifa bastards who want to destroy our nation's history when Barack Obama was serving as president?

They are cowards and communists and astroturf posers and street hustlers. They are lowly, smelly hypocrites. Why do so many of them hang out on web sites like this one?

 

[Quazimodo]

And in Houston a loner who likes explosives thought he'd blow up a statue of Dick Dowling in the park that is literally across the street from the famed Medical Center.

Nota,

I have two questions. We've had statues for a long time. Where were all these cowardly communist Antifa bastards who want to destroy our nation's history when Barack Obama was serving as president?

They are cowards and communists and astroturf posers and street hustlers. They are lowly, smelly hypocrites. Why do so many of them hang out on web sites like this one?