protect yourself

[jaeger19]

TOTAL BS. You just made that up. Effectiveness of these vaccines DOES NOT LAST A YEAR. Total BS.

Be quiet.
"Seven months after the first of the two doses in the primary series, estimated two-dose vaccine effectiveness (VE) of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was 54.3% against infection, 85.8% against hospitalization, and 89.6% against death. Five months later, its estimated VE was 37.5% against infection, 58.8% against hospitalization, and 75.2% against death."

A year later. 75% protection against death
60% protection against hospitalization
And still about 40% protection from infection.

COVID-19 vaccines protect against severe outcomes but less so over time

www.cidrap.umn.edu

 

[jaeger19]

No one knows how long natural immunity lasts. It is known to be much better and last longer than immunity from these experimental mRNA vaccines.

Again not necessarily true.. the evidence is not completely clear.
However ..what's the risk of multiple covid infections?

"Now, a new study from Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis and the Veterans Affairs St. Louis Health Care system shows the health consequences of reinfection. The researchers found that repeat SARS-CoV-2 infections contribute significant additional risk of adverse health conditions in multiple organ systems.".

Repeat COVID-19 infections increase risk of organ failure, death | WashU Medicine

Researchers recommend masks, vaccines, vigilance to prevent reinfection

medicine.wustl.edu

 

[Good4Nothin]

Be quiet.
"Seven months after the first of the two doses in the primary series, estimated two-dose vaccine effectiveness (VE) of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was 54.3% against infection, 85.8% against hospitalization, and 89.6% against death. Five months later, its estimated VE was 37.5% against infection, 58.8% against hospitalization, and 75.2% against death."

A year later. 75% protection against death
60% protection against hospitalization
And still about 40% protection from infection.

COVID-19 vaccines protect against severe outcomes but less so over time

www.cidrap.umn.edu

You fall for the deceptive statistics every time If, for example, the average risk of hospitalization was 1%, then the vaccine lowered it to 0.4%. So the absolute risk reduction was .6%. Not quite so impressive. And that has to be balanced with the risk of vaccine damage, which increases with each repeated shot.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Again not necessarily true.. the evidence is not completely clear.
However ..what's the risk of multiple covid infections?

"Now, a new study from Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis and the Veterans Affairs St. Louis Health Care system shows the health consequences of reinfection. The researchers found that repeat SARS-CoV-2 infections contribute significant additional risk of adverse health conditions in multiple organ systems.".

Repeat COVID-19 infections increase risk of organ failure, death | WashU Medicine

Researchers recommend masks, vaccines, vigilance to prevent reinfection

medicine.wustl.edu

Of course they don't say whether being vaccinated increases the risk of re-infection. They don't want to think about that possibility.

 

[Mongidig]

Ha! You guy’s are still posting vaccine threads?

 

[jaeger19]

You fall for the deceptive statistics every time If, for example, the average risk of hospitalization was 1%, then the vaccine lowered it to 0.4%. So the absolute risk reduction was .6%. Not quite so impressive. And that has to be balanced with the risk of vaccine damage, which increases with each repeated shot.

Oh pooh.
Cripes you get it wrong every time when it comes to risk reduction. When
thousands of people are dying of covid...and then without evidence of any real harm..play up the " balanced against the dangers of the vaccine"
Stop being silly.

 

[jaeger19]

Of course they don't say whether being vaccinated increases the risk of re-infection. They don't want to think about that possibility.

Oh cripes..now you are back to tge conspiracy theories.
How many times do you have to be proven wrong before you start questioning your own understanding?

I mean you've been now proven wrong so many times..dare I say you are approaching Paradoxical impressive record of " being wrong".
Every else here knows you are posting misinformation..
When will you realize it.

Before answering.. cite all the research that supports your premise.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Oh pooh.
Cripes you get it wrong every time when it comes to risk reduction. When
thousands of people are dying of covid...and then without evidence of any real harm..play up the " balanced against the dangers of the vaccine"
Stop being silly.

Learn the difference between relative and absolute risk reduction. You are mistaking negligible benefits for something meaningful. And there is plenty of evidence the vaccines are causing harm to many.

 

[jaeger19]

Learn the difference between relative and absolute risk reduction. You are mistaking negligible benefits for something meaningful. And there is plenty of evidence the vaccines are causing harm to many.

There is the crux.."negligible benefits. "
That's the point. You don't understand relative and absolute risk in real world terms. They are not contradictory..they are complimentary.

The vaccine is a game changer. It's obvious. We went from hospitals being overwhelmed..Morgue overflowing to " meh" covid. And why ? The vaccine which turned it into the disease of the unvaccinated.
Stop being silly.

 

[VySky]

Who was forced to get vaccinated against their will?

Coerced is the word you meant to use.

 

[snakestretcher]

Learn the difference between relative and absolute risk reduction. You are mistaking negligible benefits for something meaningful. And there is plenty of evidence the vaccines are causing harm to many.

"Harm to many"? How many, and what alleged harm? Of course you have incontrovertible evidence. Let's see it.

 

[CLAX1911]

Paul Fenyves is a medical doctor at Cornell. He says covid vaccines have only a modest effect on transmission, and it's very transitory. Therefore, if he is correct, you really do not protect anyone except yourself by getting the vaccines. It should be entirely up to each person to decide, and none of the mandates make any sense.

Previously, we were told we were responsible for protecting the vulnerable, and therefore must get the vaccines. I believed that. Now I do not believe it.

Pro-vaxxers can stop their self-righteous lecturing and scolding.

Many other doctors say this, not just Fenyves, but I happen to have this for those who always demand a link:

They're not lecturing you because they believe that the virus the lecture you because they knuckled under and bout to their master and they don't like you standing up and saying no because your strength shines a light on their weakness.

We knew back in the first couple of weeks or didn't reduce infection rate. We saw the cases spiking in Gibraltar even though they had a 100% vaccination rate.

With the government it's about doing what you're told. Your rights are annoying to a government because they have to respect them.

 

[Good4Nothin]

There is the crux.."negligible benefits. "
That's the point. You don't understand relative and absolute risk in real world terms. They are not contradictory..they are complimentary.

The vaccine is a game changer. It's obvious. We went from hospitals being overwhelmed..Morgue overflowing to " meh" covid. And why ? The vaccine which turned it into the disease of the unvaccinated.
Stop being silly.

In the beginning of the pandemic many vulnerable people died. A year later there were vaccines, and covid deaths decreased. Maybe because of the vaccines, also maybe because the most vulnerable had already died, maybe because the virus evolved to be less deadly.

Now we know the new variants are much less dangerous. And now we know the absolute risk reduction from the vaccines is very small and gets even smaller after 3 months. No one is recommending boosters every 3 months, by the way.

You don't know enough about statistics to understand the difference between absolute and relative risk reduction. When the risk is small to begin with, and gets slightly smaller because of a medical intervention, the relative risk can still seem to be huge. It is misleading.

 

[Fledermaus]

In the beginning of the pandemic many vulnerable people died. A year later there were vaccines, and covid deaths decreased. Maybe because of the vaccines, also maybe because the most vulnerable had already died, maybe because the virus evolved to be less deadly.

Now we know the new variants are much less dangerous. And now we know the absolute risk reduction from the vaccines is very small and gets even smaller after 3 months. No one is recommending boosters every 3 months, by the way.

You don't know enough about statistics to understand the difference between absolute and relative risk reduction. When the risk is small to begin with, and gets slightly smaller because of a medical intervention, the relative risk can still seem to be huge. It is misleading.

Why does the medical community as a whole disagree with you?

 

[americanwoman]

So don't take the vaccine and keep yapping about it.

Ain't getting nowhere killing off the elderly or at risk people who vote like you and actually show up to vote but whatevs.

Those people might be "vulnerable" and "an acceptable risk" that were going to die anyway but they actually aren't that disposable to you in other areas. But hey you anti vaxxing/anti masking morons don't seem very bright anyways.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Why does the medical community as a whole disagree with you?

We don't know that it does "as a whole" for one thing. Because the pandemic was considered an emergency, a concerted effort was made to encourage vaccination. It was thought that if enough people were vaccinated, there would be herd immunity. That turned out to be wrong, but it was the belief at the time.

The government and the medical agencies worked with the big social media companies to restrict and censor information that criticized the vaccines. Vaccine skeptics were banned from Twitter, Facebook, etc.

There was also censorship from the public -- some famous musicians boycotted Spotify because Joe Rogan had Robert Malone on his podcast, and Malone criticizes the covid mRNA vaccines.

Some MDs have even lost their licenses because they told patients the vaccines were dangerous.

So it looks like there is a medical consensus, but we really have no idea how many MDs question some aspects of the vaccines. We do know that they are much less effective than originally advertised.

How dangerous they might be is a controversy, and mostly not known. There has not been much of an effort to find out. The government and the medical agencies still want everyone to trust the vaccines.

Moderna and Pfizer have done tremendously well, and they might even be glad their vaccines did not eradicate covid. It will be recommended at least every year for everyone.

We don't know how much corruption might have been involved in creating the apparent consensus. The drug industry is known for its corrupt influence over our government and health agencies. I would not be surprised if money had an influence. But I don't think it's just money.

Our defense industry is interested in mRNA vaccines because they can be developed quickly in case of a biowarfare attack. In general, our government has been very motivated to get the public to accept this vaccine technology, to not be afraid of it.

Still, very large numbers of Americans are afraid of mRNA vaccines. Censorship is limited, because there is so much information online, it is not possible to screen all of it. So vaccine skeptics do have platforms.

And we have our personal experiences with the vaccines, and the experiences of others we know.

So, again, we don't know exactly how many medical professionals are concerned about the covid vaccines. We do know that some percentage of the general population is concerned. For example, only a very small percent of parents got their children covid vaccines.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I used the term coercion, not "forced" and clearly they were coerced

A lot of companies are self insured. If a company is self insured, it is in their financial interest for every employee to be vaccinated as vaccination virtually eliminates the odds of hospitalization.

Average cost to a self insured company of a COVID vaccination: 20 to 120 dollars.

Average cost to a self insured company of a COVID hospitalization: around 70,000 dollars.

 

[Good4Nothin]

A lot of companies are self insured. If a company is self insured, it is in their financial interest for every employee to be vaccinated as vaccination virtually eliminates the odds of hospitalization.

Average cost to a self insured company of a COVID vaccination: 20 to 120 dollars.

Average cost to a self insured company of a COVID hospitalization: around 70,000 dollars.

Working age people were seldom hospitalized for covid, even from the earlier more serious variants.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Working age people were seldom hospitalized for covid, even from the earlier more serious variants.

Yet, you are still much more likely to be hospitalized is you are unvaccinated. For example, let's say a company has 10,000 employees. For unvaccinated employees the odds of hospitalization might be 1 in 80. For vaccinated employees, it might be 1 in 20,000. No company would accept that risk if they are self insured.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Yet, you are still much more likely to be hospitalized is you are unvaccinated. For example, let's say a company has 10,000 employees. For unvaccinated employees the odds of hospitalization might be 1 in 80. For vaccinated employees, it might be 1 in 20,000. No company would accept that risk if they are self insured.

You just made up those numbers.

 

[americanwoman]

You just made up those numbers.

Was it the "for example" that gave it away?

 

[Good4Nothin]

Was it the "for example" that gave it away?

So he made up a ridiculous example. Some people might think he saw those numbers somewhere. But he just dreamed up something extreme and totally unrelated to reality.

 

[anatta]

A lot of companies are self insured. If a company is self insured, it is in their financial interest for every employee to be vaccinated as vaccination virtually eliminates the odds of hospitalization.

Average cost to a self insured company of a COVID vaccination: 20 to 120 dollars.

Average cost to a self insured company of a COVID hospitalization: around 70,000 dollars.

Obesity is a much bigger problem -you want to start firing people for being fat?
Look you run a business you hire people, they all have different risk factors.
But nobody mandate giving up Twinkies

 

[Good4Nothin]

Obesity is a much bigger problem -you want to start firing people for being fat?
Look you run a business you hire people, they all have different risk factors.
But nobody mandate giving up Twinkies

It would make a lot more sense to mandate giving up Twinkies, and cigarettes, than mandating vaccines.

If I owned a business, I wouldn't hire anyone who smokes, or who is extremely fat.

The covid vaccines are different, because being vaccinated is NOT necessarily a sign of being healthy.

 

[anatta]

It would make a lot more sense to mandate giving up Twinkies, and cigarettes, than mandating vaccines.

If I owned a business, I wouldn't hire anyone who smokes, or who is extremely fat.

The covid vaccines are different, because being vaccinated is NOT necessarily a sign of being healthy.

you cant discriminate agaiinst fat people.