Proposition for changing the US presidential popular-vote

[bongsaway]

No it doesn’t. Besides the real question is to what end is one person one vote desirable? The left doesn’t believe it themselves. There is one person one vote within the state of California and those persons used their vote to outlaw giving marriage licenses to relationships built on sodomy anc the democrats rapidly moved to steal democracy from Californians on that. So the left does not believe in one person one vote.

What? That's insane. We are applying for a marriage license. Ok, is your relationship built on sodomy? Or do the couples wear t-shirts that say sodomy free when applying? If you are against sodomy, don't do it. But outlawing it for others and then complaining the dems are stealing your democracy is insane. You have no problem canceling other's choice.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

This^ is a classic example of a dishonest post. Biden did no such thing.

Joe Biden argued against the Second Amendment by saying that none of the amendments are absolute. Well if none of the amendments are absolute, then by extension that must mean the 13th amendment is not absolute. The 13th amendment bans Slavery. If what Joe Biden is saying is true, then it logically follows that the ban on slavery is not absolute, and the slavery is permissible in some circumstances. You can be mad about it all you want, but if you’re the logician man you must admit that there is no other logical way to interpret Biden statement. Other than that he is not with it and doesn’t know how to speak.

 

[Helix]

the EC isn't going anywhere. this is because there are fewer Republicans, and Republican states are not going to give up the advantage of letting empty plots of land vote for Republicans who can't convince enough actual people to vote for them.

 

[bongsaway]

Joe Biden argued against the Second Amendment by saying that none of the amendments are absolute. Well if none of the amendments are absolute, then by extension that must mean the 13th amendment is not absolute. The 13th amendment bans Slavery. If what Joe Biden is saying is true, then it logically follows that the ban on slavery is not absolute, and the slavery is permissible in some circumstances. You can be mad about it all you want, but if you’re the logician man you must admit that there is no other logical way to interpret Biden statement. Other than that he is not with it and doesn’t know how to speak.

None are absolute. They can all be changed. If slavery is allowed again, I want you to be mine. You won't mind working for free and eating low on the hog between whippings. Good to know.

 

[noonereal]

We must fix the manner in which the winner of the popular-vote can lose an election to the presidency. Which is wholly unacceptable to a truly fair and honest democracy.

Ours is dysfunctional because it does not reflect the pure total-vote of the presidency due to a dishonest manipulation of the vote-count in the Electoral College (EC). Only the pure total popular-vote is acceptable in any Real Democracy.

At the basis of the EC is a law passed and signed by Ulysses S. Grant in 1877. Voting needs a more modern rethink.

One that the basics of which might look like this:
*Only registered electronic-voting-machines are authorized to account for and deliver to DC electronically the presidential vote by state! (That method of communication can be made non-manipulable externally.)
*Each state decides (and is responsible for) how only Registered Voters access the also registered voting-machines (for the Presidency and Congress). Said machines can be kept under permanent-scrutiny to assure no tampering.
*The original vote-count - certified in each state by its Electoral College - is then sent to the head of both Houses of Congress that publishes the count immediately on their Web-site (the same date, hour and second programmed).
*The winner of the vote is then publicly simultaneously announced by the Senate and the HofR on their respective web-sites.

If and only if the above were passed into law by Congress and signed by the PotUS.

Which I think, btw, is highly unlikely - but you are most welcome to comment ...

PS: Comments adding to or subtracted from the above most-welcome!

All the freedom loving, patriot Trumpists what no part of one man one vote.

Minority rules is the only thing that keeps their head above water.

If we have fair elections they would be squashed like bugs.

18% of the population elects 52 Senators.

This is what is going to end democracy.

 

[Logician Man]

Joe Biden argued against the Second Amendment by saying that none of the amendments are absolute. Well if none of the amendments are absolute, then by extension that must mean the 13th amendment is not absolute. The 13th amendment bans Slavery. If what Joe Biden is saying is true, then it logically follows that the ban on slavery is not absolute, and the slavery is permissible in some circumstances. You can be mad about it all you want, but if you’re the logician man you must admit that there is no other logical way to interpret Biden statement. Other than that he is not with it and doesn’t know how to speak.

I'm not mad about anything. That's a false 'assumption on your part, and we all know about that old adage of those who make assumptions, as you clearly did in your post above. What 'specifically' did President Biden say, that in any manner supports your asinine positive claim that he is desirous of re-visiting the Constitution to "allow for the ownership of slaves"?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I'm not mad about anything. That's a false 'assumption on your part, and we all know about that old adage of those who make assumptions, as you clearly did in your post above. What 'specifically' did President Biden say, that in any manner supports your asinine positive claim that he is desirous of re-visiting the Constitution to "allow for the ownership of slaves"?

I just explained it, using his own words. Now do you have a response to the argument made Mr. logician man?

 

[Logician Man]

I just explained it, using his own words. Now do you have a response to the argument made Mr. logician man?

Your 'explanation' is a reach, to put it mildly. President Biden didn't imply in any manner he was advocating for, or open to slave ownership, which was your asinine, hyperbolic positive claim.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

Well if none of the amendments are absolute, then by extension that must mean the 13th amendment is not absolute. The 13th amendment bans Slavery. If what Joe Biden is saying is true, then it logically follows that the ban on slavery is not absolute, and the slavery is permissible in some circumstances.

It is.

It's right there in the text:

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

It is.

It's right there in the text:

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

That doesn’t prove me wrong. The amendment absolutely in plain text includes the exception of involuntary servitude within the amendment. Meaning the amendment as an absolute prohibits slavery and involuntary servitude except as a punishment for a crime in which the subject is duly convicted.(note that involuntary servitude is seperate then slavery, slavery is never acceptable, involuntary servitude is when it is a punishment for a crime, thus slavery is absolutely banned) However if Biden is right and no amendment is absolute then it must mean slavery is acceptable.

 

[Logician Man]

That doesn’t prove me wrong. The amendment absolutely in plain text includes the exception of involuntary servitude within the amendment. Meaning the amendment as an absolute prohibits slavery and involuntary servitude except as a punishment for a crime in which the subject is duly convicted.(note that involuntary servitude is seperate then slavery, slavery is never acceptable, involuntary servitude is when it is a punishment for a crime, thus slavery is absolutely banned) However if Biden is right and no amendment is absolute then it must mean slavery is acceptable.

Just because it 'may' be acceptable, in no way supports your absurdly, asinine, hyperbolic positive claim that President Biden, in any manner, supports it.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Just because it 'may' be acceptable, in no way supports your absurdly, asinine, hyperbolic positive claim that President Biden, in any manner, supports it.

I quoted his own words and you do not have an answer.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Sorry, Our Founding Fathers thought Mob Rule is Not a good thing

Typical non answer. There is no "mob rule".
Try again.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

(note that involuntary servitude is seperate then slavery, slavery is never acceptable, involuntary servitude is when it is a punishment for a crime, thus slavery is absolutely banned)

This is not an accurate parsing of the text.

Slavery and involuntary servitude are synonymous, legally.

However if Biden is right and no amendment is absolute then it must mean slavery is acceptable.

This doesn't follow.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

We must fix the manner in which the winner of the popular-vote can lose an election to the presidency. Which is wholly unacceptable to a truly fair and honest democracy.

Ours is dysfunctional because it does not reflect the pure total-vote of the presidency due to a dishonest manipulation of the vote-count in the Electoral College (EC). Only the pure total popular-vote is acceptable in any Real Democracy.

At the basis of the EC is a law passed and signed by Ulysses S. Grant in 1877. Voting needs a more modern rethink.

One that the basics of which might look like this:
*Only registered electronic-voting-machines are authorized to account for and deliver to DC electronically the presidential vote by state! (That method of communication can be made non-manipulable externally.)
*Each state decides (and is responsible for) how only Registered Voters access the also registered voting-machines (for the Presidency and Congress). Said machines can be kept under permanent-scrutiny to assure no tampering.
*The original vote-count - certified in each state by its Electoral College - is then sent to the head of both Houses of Congress that publishes the count immediately on their Web-site (the same date, hour and second programmed).
*The winner of the vote is then publicly simultaneously announced by the Senate and the HofR on their respective web-sites.

If and only if the above were passed into law by Congress and signed by the PotUS.

Which I think, btw, is highly unlikely - but you are most welcome to comment ...

PS: Comments adding to or subtracted from the above most-welcome!

There is no logical argument whatsoever to have the EC in this age.

There are no more slaves, no more "3/5 of a person".
No longer is it difficult if not impossible to reach the people in the rural areas, virtually everyone in the nation can get every word that a candidate says practically as it is uttered.

The EC is a relic that has lived on long after it serves any useful and constructive purpose. Geographical areas do not vote and never have.
Voters vote. Individuals.

Time for an update IMO.

 

[Logician Man]

I quoted his own words and you do not have an answer.

I've already told you the words you quoted, in no manner, indicate Biden advocates for legal ownership for slavery. That you need to be told this twice tells a story; a story that doesn't reflect on your lack of common sense/intellect at all.

 

[Glitch]

Not exactly how that went. Lincoln emancipated the slaves BEFORE the 14th Amendment.

But if you want to try a constitutional amendment to do away with electoral college then go for it. But it won't pass the required thresholds to be made the new law.

No chance in that.

Democrats in Congress have been proposing any amendment to the US Constitution in every session of Congress to abolish the Electoral College since Nixon handed them their ass by getting 96.7% of the Electoral College vote in 1972. Nobody in US history got beaten as bad as McGovern did by Nixon, until Mondale would run against Reagan in 1984. Reagan managed to get 97.6% of the Electoral College vote. Mondale could only win one State plus DC for an amazingly pathetic 13 EC votes.

Now you know why Democrats hate the Electoral College. They can't win without cheating.

 

[calamity]

Sorry, Our Founding Fathers thought Mob Rule is Not a good thing

The same "fathers" who thought slavery was a good thing. Yeah, they're credible.

 

[calamity]

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Now you know why Democrats hate the Electoral College. They can't win without cheating.

Actually, the EC is cheating. It gives whites an automatic 160 Electoral Votes in all the states that are over 80% white. I am sure the Far Right whites like that.

 

[Logician Man]

Democrats in Congress have been proposing any amendment to the US Constitution in every session of Congress to abolish the Electoral College since Nixon handed them their ass by getting 96.7% of the Electoral College vote in 1972. Nobody in US history got beaten as bad as McGovern did by Nixon, until Mondale would run against Reagan in 1984. Reagan managed to get 97.6% of the Electoral College vote. Mondale could only win one State plus DC for an amazingly pathetic 13 EC votes.

Now you know why Democrats hate the Electoral College. They can't win without cheating.

/// They can't win without cheating. /// Really? How did JFK, Clinton, Obama, and Biden win?

 

[Glitch]

This^ is a classic example of a dishonest post. Biden did no such thing.

Everyone knows Biden is a Dixiecrat. He has been a bigot his entire life. Even VP Harris pointed this fact out when she ran against him. Biden's most prized possession, according to him, is the table Senator Stennis (his mentor) gave him which had the Southern Manifesto signed in 1956. Which was signed by 19 Dixiecrat Senators and 82 Dixiecrat House Representatives.

Pretending Biden is anything other that a leftist bigot is the only dishonesty on display here.

 

[Logician Man]

Everyone knows Biden is a Dixiecrat. He has been a bigot his entire life. Even VP Harris pointed this fact out when she ran against him. Biden's most prized possession, according to him, is the table Senator Stennis (his mentor) gave him which had the Southern Manifesto signed in 1956. Which was signed by 19 Dixiecrat Senators and 82 Dixiecrat House Representatives.

Pretending Biden is anything other that a leftist bigot is the only dishonesty on display here.

I stopped reading your drivel at "Everyone knows....." You don't speak for " Everyone." Hard to believe you don't realize as soon as you play that card, you've lost the argument right then and there.

 

[Glitch]

/// They can't win without cheating. /// Really? How did JFK, Clinton, Obama, and Biden win?

You might want to look up the election results from 1960. Pay particular attention to the tens of thousands of dead voters from Chicago and Mayor Daily. Everyone knows the only reason Clinton won was because of the illegal acts to influence the election on behalf of Clinton by ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN in 1992. Those illegal acts is what created Fox News in 1996.

Democrats know they can't win legally in the Electoral College, which is why so many States deliberately violated their own election laws in 2020, so they can fix the Electoral College vote without having to pay any attention to the actual popular vote. States can choose their Electors for the Electoral College in any manner they wish, including by deliberate fraud.

You can pretend their was no election fraud, but that would only make you look like a mindless puppet and a useful tool for the Democratic Party. Which is what the media has become. They stopped being journalists over 30 years ago and have become propagandists pushing a leftist anti-American agenda instead. So the question becomes, will you be honest or just regurgitate the same propaganda lies put forth by ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN?

 

[Glitch]

I stopped reading your drivel at "Everyone knows....." You don't speak for " Everyone." Hard to believe you don't realize as soon as you play that card, you've lost the argument right then and there.

From now on I will phrase it "Everyone knows, EXCEPT YOU..." Would that make you feel better?

Everyone knows, EXCEPT YOU, that the sun shines, the sky is blue, and that Biden is a life-long Dixiecrat bigot.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

You might want to look up the election results from 1960. Pay particular attention to the tens of thousands of dead voters from Chicago and Mayor Daily. Everyone knows the only reason Clinton won was because of the illegal acts to influence the election on behalf of Clinton by ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN in 1992. Those illegal acts is what created Fox News in 1996.

Democrats know they can't win legally in the Electoral College, which is why so many States deliberately violated their own election laws in 2020, so they can fix the Electoral College vote without having to pay any attention to the actual popular vote. States can choose their Electors for the Electoral College in any manner they wish, including by deliberate fraud.

You can pretend their was no election fraud, but that would only make you look like a mindless puppet and a useful tool for the Democratic Party. Which is what the media has become. They stopped being journalists over 30 years ago and have become propagandists pushing a leftist anti-American agenda instead. So the question becomes, will you be honest or just regurgitate the same propaganda lies put forth by ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN?

Thats some good readin' right there.