Proof of bombs used and evidence hid 9/11

[BmanMcfly]

Have you even done this for the towers? If you had, you'd notice that the collapse times you spout are flat-out dead wrong. Also, you are STILL completely dismissing the FACT - that anyone with eyes can clearly see - that there are large pieces of debris (columns, chunks of building, etc) falling way FASTER than the towers collapse... in EVERY single video out there.

You seem to be frustrated that nobody will listen to you despite saying this stuff a million times, and it is rather funny to be honest.

Just WATCH the damn videos and take the blinders off. WATCH the debris fall twice as fast as the building collapses. Until you can do at least that much, nobody here is going to be swayed by your silly arguments.

You're serious, right??
1 - The debris falling outward from the building would of course fall faster than the collapsing structure... we're talking wind resistance vs structural resistance. In other words : Concrete slows things down more than air does.

2 - I was NOT saying that the building collapsed at free-fall speed... actually, I remember saying to take the time of free-fall (which is calculated at 9.something seconds if you do NOT take into account air resistance)

3 - Even in a controlled demolition the building does NOT fall at free-fall speed, but rather falls at free-fall - (minus) resistance... because even though explosives blow out the support structure of the building there is still resistance to collapse.

4 - I'm frustrated because even after explaining this a million times you're still missing the point.

Literally exploding outward? You mean kinda like what happens when literally incomprehensible amounts of kinetic energy gets released?

The fact still remains. After that "exploding outward" thing, the debris falls twice as fast as the building collapses. "Free-Fall-Speed-Collapse"... my a**.

Yes... And do you realize that this "literally incomprehensible amounts of kinetic energy" by definition is taken OUT OF the only force that we are meant to believe was acting on the collapse, that force being gravity (9.8m/s^2)... And with ALL that "literally incomprehensible amounts of kinetic energy" we saw a 12 second collapse time which IS about 3 seconds worth of drag compared to dropping a ball the same height in a vacuum offering 0 fall resistance.

How in the world is that building collapsing at freefall speed, when objects falling right there next to it (actually AT freefall speed), have traveled over twice the distance? lol.

Tell me without bringing up northwoods, the pentagon, norad, bush's reaction, what cheneys breath smelled like that morning, or any of the other stuff you guys love to derail debate with. For the love of god, just this once, stick to ONE thing in each thread.

How am I supposed to get a point across when you are mixing different interpretations of free-fall. You are mixing
a) free-falling collapse of a building
b) free-falling object through air,
and then tell us that we're claiming the building collapsed at
c) free-fall where resistance = 0

what you gotta get is that
a) free-falling collapse of a building in a controlled demolition is in the 60-70% of free-fall
b) an object falling through air could see a speed of about 95-98% of free-fall (obvious exceptions excluded)
c) an object falling at 9.8m/s^2

Once you catch the subtlety of these different uses of a 'free-falling' object you'll see my point alot easier.

 

[Bodi]

So in other words when subjects are over your head you try and compensate with funny "one liners".?

If you can't dazzle 'em with your knowledge....
Baffle 'em with your bullsh**....

No surprise.

Over my head? Dude, that is some pretty funny ****! :lol:

 

[505]

You're serious, right??
1 - The debris falling outward from the building would of course fall faster than the collapsing structure... we're talking wind resistance vs structural resistance. In other words : Concrete slows things down more than air does.

2 - I was NOT saying that the building collapsed at free-fall speed... actually, I remember saying to take the time of free-fall (which is calculated at 9.something seconds if you do NOT take into account air resistance)

3 - Even in a controlled demolition the building does NOT fall at free-fall speed, but rather falls at free-fall - (minus) resistance... because even though explosives blow out the support structure of the building there is still resistance to collapse.

4 - I'm frustrated because even after explaining this a million times you're still missing the point.



Yes... And do you realize that this "literally incomprehensible amounts of kinetic energy" by definition is taken OUT OF the only force that we are meant to believe was acting on the collapse, that force being gravity (9.8m/s^2)... And with ALL that "literally incomprehensible amounts of kinetic energy" we saw a 12 second collapse time which IS about 3 seconds worth of drag compared to dropping a ball the same height in a vacuum offering 0 fall resistance.



How am I supposed to get a point across when you are mixing different interpretations of free-fall. You are mixing
a) free-falling collapse of a building
b) free-falling object through air,
and then tell us that we're claiming the building collapsed at
c) free-fall where resistance = 0

what you gotta get is that
a) free-falling collapse of a building in a controlled demolition is in the 60-70% of free-fall
b) an object falling through air could see a speed of about 95-98% of free-fall (obvious exceptions excluded)
c) an object falling at 9.8m/s^2

Once you catch the subtlety of these different uses of a 'free-falling' object you'll see my point alot easier.

Oh, my mistake. I thought I was talking to the mcfly that is always talking about THIS type of "free fall speed":

What makes you think that 80 stories of concrete and steel in an UNTOUCHED structure should offer only slightly more resistance than dropping an 8 ball that same height THROUGH A VACUUM WITH NO FRICTION???

YET, when I compared the COLLAPSING of the structures (not the lighting of the fuses) to the collapsing structure with basic calculation found the overall rate of accelleration to be HIGHER than that of a known controlled demolition where explosives had done what NIST was arguing was accomplished by gravity.

Silly me for thinking that statements like "near free fall speed" means that an object falls at a rate that approaches free fall speed. Kinda like what some folks propose would happen when the supports of a building are either melted, blown up, or otherwise not doing their job of supporting.

So just to review, does this here sum it up pretty well there mcfly?

1. You attempt to convince us all that there HAD to be controlled demo because the building fell so fast that it was approaching the speed of free fall IN A VACUUM!

2. Because of this irrefutable evidence, there is just no other explanation other than demo.

3. Later, when shown a plain and simple image showing that freefall was really twice as quick as the collapse, you revise the theory to "free-fall-but-not-really-only-kinda"?

4? Still no other option other than demo?

:shock:

 

[UtahBill]

If demolition was done, wouldn't OBL be crowing about it? I mean, he had to have known, else how could he send the planes to crash into the buildings at the same time the explosives went off? Or was there a "volunteer" on top of the building at the controls, setting them off at the same time the planes arrived?
The whole idea is ludicrous....but people will make money from it. There will always be crackpots writing books for the tinfoil crowd....

 

[Renae]

For some people, it's easier to believe the "evil government" did this then to believe that it was a handful of lunatic islamic terrorist.

They believe this for whatever personal reasons, the prime reason I think many of these folks believe in these, silly theories is that it makes them feel special.

"I can see the truth, I KNOW! And you people are too stupid to know it!"

 

[UtahBill]

For some people, it's easier to believe the "evil government" did this then to believe that it was a handful of lunatic islamic terrorist.

They believe this for whatever personal reasons, the prime reason I think many of these folks believe in these, silly theories is that it makes them feel special.

"I can see the truth, I KNOW! And you people are too stupid to know it!"

Good point, MrV......

 

[First Thought]

Yeah I should have not used Kevin Ryans name because there are many more credible people who say 9/11 was a made up scheme.

I knew you would only focus on discrediting him instead of seeing the contents of the countless witnesses that heard, felt, saw, and survived other bombs going off.

These tons of witnesses are only one point I am making to show that there should have been a thorough investigation at the crime scene.

Of all crimes why would they have illegally cleaned up one of the most significantly important ever and quickly ship to China.

This is not evidence. You can throw your opinion and unsourced facts around, but do not expect us to take you seriously.

 

[First Thought]

The Manhattan Project employed over 100,000. Two billion was spent, and there were multiple production, research, and test sites. It remained a conspiracy theory until the government announced it…

Most people involved were doing so for national security and to gain an upper hand on the Axis. This did not involve the deaths of thousands of Americans and an elaborate cover up blamed on terrorists.

Area 51 wasn’t officially announced until 1997. It maintained its own daily commuter plane service out of

Las Vegas for its thousands of workers. It remained a conspiracy theory until it was officially announced…

Again, does not involve the deaths of thousands of citizens.

 

[Inferno]

I really would like to know where Cheney was when the buildings fell. I would really like to know.

 

[TheNextEra]

The Manhattan Project employed over 100,000. Two billion was spent, and there were multiple production, research, and test sites. It remained a conspiracy theory until the government announced it…

Area 51 wasn’t officially announced until 1997. It maintained its own daily commuter plane service out of Las Vegas for its thousands of workers. It remained a conspiracy theory until it was officially announced…

All of these people were carefully screened employees given security clearances. We are talking about passengers on a commuter plane with families elsewhere.

What happened to them then? Sorry but the whole evil government conspiracy is a bunch of bull**** when you take everything into account.

 

[Alex Libman]

I'm very frustrated with 9/11 conspiracy theories...

From the libertarian point of view, the guilt of the U.S. government is beyond any doubt - the government has forcefully monopolized the security market, and used that power to carry out all sorts of foreign interventionism, while at the same time outlawing individual self-defense, leaving the public helpless and dependent.

In absence of this government monopoly, the American people wouldn't be affected by the "blowback" of everything our government has been doing in the Middle East. And without the government forcing its regulations down everyone's throats, the airlines would exercise their natural interest to implement rational physical security policies in airplane cockpits, like at the very least allowing the pilots to be armed with specialized aircraft-safe weapons. Then a scenario like 9/11 would have been a total logistical impossibility.

It's as if the U.S. government had handcuffed the victims of 9/11, broke their legs, left them in a dark ally, and told Osama where they can be found and that they've been talking trash about his momma! :x

And yet the 9/11 conspiracy nuts make up all sorts of baseless bull to try to implicate the U.S. government, while failing to focus on the most obvious.

 

[creativedreams]

Here is recent news footage that just came out in Denmark!

Nine scientists find active Nano-Thermite in the 9/11 WTC dust

I bet you won't here about any of this in American mainstream media...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT5IOD17gN8]YouTube - Nine Scientists Find Active Nano-thermite in 9/11 WTC Dust -- April 6, 2009[/ame]

 

[Renae]

Here is recent news footage that just came out in Denmark!

Nine scientists find active Nano-Thermite in the 9/11 WTC dust

I bet you won't here about any of this in American mainstream media...

YouTube - Nine Scientists Find Active Nano-thermite in 9/11 WTC Dust -- April 6, 2009

You are right, you won't hear such in the US media...

creative, what are airplanes primarily made from?

what is the base metal in thermite?


ZOMG SOME SCIENTIST FOUND SEVERAL TONS OF ALUMINUM PARTICULATE MATTER IN THE WTC RUBBLE? NO FREAKING WAY DUDE!

Seriously, this "story" cracked me the hell up. These so called scientist found pulverized aluminum residue "nano-thermite!!!!!!" and concluded it was preset explosives.


Really? Seriously? The thought that perhaps slamming airliners into the building woudnt produce a few tons of pulverized aluminum didn't cross their minds? Or yours? Seriously?

 

[creativedreams]

Denial is a natural instinct to protect weak minds.........the weaker the mind the stronger the denial. How can you believe your own spin on the matter?

 

[creativedreams]

You are right, you won't hear such in the US media...

creative, what are airplanes primarily made from?

what is the base metal in thermite?


ZOMG SOME SCIENTIST FOUND SEVERAL TONS OF ALUMINUM PARTICULATE MATTER IN THE WTC RUBBLE? NO FREAKING WAY DUDE!

Seriously, this "story" cracked me the hell up. These so called scientist found pulverized aluminum residue "nano-thermite!!!!!!" and concluded it was preset explosives.

So your agueing against scientists who clearly explain what Nano-Thermites is and how it is undenyable evidence? (oh that's right...a few ignorant patriots here will deny it)

This was shown on Denmarks Pime Time Television. They have spent years investigating and made sure all their ducks were in a row before they went public with it (last month)

 

[TheNextEra]

So your agueing against scientists who clearly explain what Nano-Thermites is and how it is undenyable evidence? (oh that's right...a few ignorant patriots here will deny it)

This was shown on Denmarks Pime Time Television. They have spent years investigating and made sure all their ducks were in a row before they went public with it (last month)

You failed to answer the question set before Creative, where are all the people on those planes. There were women and children aboard as well, where are they prison? Gimme a freakin break.

Maybe the UFOs caused 9/11 as well. You are right about a weak mind believing idiotic things though, just look at all those weak minded people believing 9/11 was done by the government.

 

[creativedreams]

You failed to answer the question set before Creative, where are all the people on those planes. There were women and children aboard as well, where are they prison? Gimme a freakin break.

Maybe the UFOs caused 9/11 as well. You are right about a weak mind believing idiotic things though, just look at all those weak minded people believing 9/11 was done by the government.

Perhaps they were on the planes but Homing Devices and/or Remote flying devices controlled their destiny.

Losing lives is only a numbers game, especially in wars, and likely in sacrificing pawns too.

 

[creativedreams]

Both Twin Towers went through an extensive "fireproofing upgrade" of the steel support structures of exactly 30 floors each in 1999-2000
9/11 is very likely to have taken years of planning no matter who orchestrated it...

This would have been a perfect time to rig all the structure

Perhaps the Nano-Thermite was sprayed on and actually in the fireproofing in which was applied 1 1/2" thick (building code is only 7/8")

FEMA stated in their inspection reports that they could not find the specifications for the type of fireproofing used

I believe their is a possible connection to the video below

This is a very recent News Cast in Denmark...this was aired on Prime Time Television in Denmark...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT5IOD17gN8]YouTube - Nine Scientists Find Active Nano-thermite in 9/11 WTC Dust -- April 6, 2009[/ame]

 

[Bodi]

Originally Posted by creativedreams
This was shown on Denmarks Pime Time Television. They have spent years investigating and made sure all their ducks were in a row before they went public with it (last month)

Denmarks Pime Time Television? Geraldo Rivera spent years investigating things and used to be on Prime Time Television... that phrase means nothing.

 

[creativedreams]

Denmarks Pime Time Television? Geraldo Rivera spent years investigating things and used to be on Prime Time Television... that phrase means nothing.

This is evidence that these scientists have spent a lot of time getting their ducks in a row on before going public.

Perhaps the citizens of Denmark have a different view on Prime Time News than Ego Inflated Americans do?

 

[Bodi]

This is evidence that these scientists have spent a lot of time getting their ducks in a row on before going public.

Perhaps the citizens of Denmark have a different view on Prime Time News than Ego Inflated Americans do?

Perhaps... but I would have to see it in order to determine its quality.

 

[First Thought]

Perhaps they were on the planes but Homing Devices and/or Remote flying devices controlled their destiny.

Perhaps they were teleported to the 5th dimension. See how stupid that sounds? Because it's an unsubstantiated hypothesis based on no evidence... Kind of like most of your arguments.

 

[rhinefire]

Agh-h-h-h-h-h-h................shya-a-a-d up!!

 

[TheNextEra]

Perhaps they were on the planes but Homing Devices and/or Remote flying devices controlled their destiny.

Losing lives is only a numbers game, especially in wars, and likely in sacrificing pawns too.

Perhaps, terrorists flew the planes into the buildings and the buildings collapsed because of it.

 

[creativedreams]

Perhaps, terrorists flew the planes into the buildings and the buildings collapsed because of it.

Perhaps you are right and they just happened to do it on a day when in the first time in the history of the United States a political figure just happened to be at NORAD and making command decisions instead of the normal commanders how are usually in control.

And two planes just happend to desroy ALL 7 World Trade Center Buildings

BWAHAAHAAHAA!