Progressives - If only it were true that Harris was a "radical Marxist"?

[NatMorton]

The Harris campaign hasn’t called for ‘price controls.’ Only conservatives are calling her proposal that.

They're avoiding that term, but a control on prices is exactly what a ban on price gouging is.

 

[NatMorton]

Sure, but Labour are not socialists, which is what your question implies.

No, that is not what my question implies. If you read the context of that part of the discussion Helix, in post #40, made the assertion that neither candidate would fit in with British politics. I think that assertion is wrong, and apparently so do you.

 

[brianpatrick]

They're avoiding that term, but a control on prices is exactly what a ban on price gouging is.

Not true. You’re just playing politics which you believe is real life. It’s not. It’s a game like any other game. This is not to say that it doesn’t affect real life things, but so does every other game.

 

[Rogue Valley]

The Harris campaign hasn’t called for ‘price controls.’ Only conservatives are calling her proposal that.

Conservatives would never try to reign-in unscrupulous agri-corporations.... but they cry to the high heavens about grocery prices*.

* as long as it's a Democrat in the White House

 

[brianpatrick]

No, that is not what my question implies. If you read the context of that part of the discussion Helix, in post #40, made the assertion that neither candidate would fit in with British politics. I think that assertion is wrong, and apparently so do you.

He was right if you take his statement in context. Many Labour policies would be untenable in the US, and good politicians know which side of their bread should get butter and which side won’t.

It would be stupid for an American politician to run on banning all guns in the US, even if they thought that was a good idea.

 

[NatMorton]

He was right if you take his statement in context. Many Labour policies would be untenable in the US, and good politicians know which side of their bread should get butter and which side won’t.

Like Helix, you keep changing the question in order to avoid it. We're not discussion which Labour policies would be attainable in the US. We're asking which Labour policies would Harris object to. Can you name one of any consequence?

It would be stupid for an American politician to run on banning all guns in the US, even if they thought that was a good idea.

Again, not the point.

 

[brianpatrick]

Conservatives would never try to reign-in unscrupulous agri-corporations.... but they cry to the high heavens about grocery prices*.

* as long as it's a Democrat in the White House

Like shoving a corn cob up your ass and then complaining because your ass hurts

 

[Helix]

I didn't ask about what she's proposed. I'll ask you once again which Labour party policies do you think she would not support?

If you're growing tired, we can cut to the chase. You're avoiding that question for a simple reason that we both understand: you cannot name a major Labour party policy that is not consistent with the kinds of policies Harris supported prior to joining the Biden team.

We can leave it there.

I answered your question. Thanks for typing all of that, though.

 

[brianpatrick]

Like Helix, you keep changing the question in order to avoid it. We're not discussion which Labour policies would be attainable in the US. We're asking which Labour policies would Harris object to. Can you name one of any consequence?


Again, not the point.

She would object to the ones that would be untenable in the US, because politics is not real life.

 

[NatMorton]

I answered your question. Thanks for typing all of that, though.

Cite the post # where you claim you did that.

 

[NatMorton]

She would object to the ones that would be untenable in the US, because politics is not real life.

Harris advocated for the Green New Deal, a proposal so "untenable" the Democratic leadership of the House wouldn't even bring it up for a vote.

You're not going to have any better luck on this point than Helix will. I suggest you give it a rest.

 

[brianpatrick]

Harris advocated for the Green New Deal, a proposal so "untenable" the Democratic leadership of the House wouldn't even bring it up for a vote.

You're not going to have any better luck on this point than Helix will. I suggest you give it a rest.

I’ve already accomplished my goal here. We can play slap and tickle more if you want,
though. It’s Sunday, and I don’t go to church.

 

[gbg3]

They're avoiding that term, but a control on prices is exactly what a ban on price gouging is.

Yeah, they're certainly trying to avoid the term but nearly all economists (from both the left and right sides) and even lots of media are very clearly and regularly using the correct and completely equivalent term.

 

[jaypatriot]

Harris has a long history of being a rather moderate Democrat.
It is good to see that since being the nominee she is leaning more towards being a moderate progressive.

Moderate Progressive?

• Spending billions on low-income housing?
• Promising $25,000 to every homebuyer who wants to buy low-income houses?
• Wanting to ban fracking (and then disavowing that policy)?
• Single-payer health care for all?

That's a moderate politician????

 

[Yes_Minister]

Let's think about this. Before she was attempting to convince voters she was something other than a Socialist, Senator Harris amassed a voting record that was deemed to be even more liberal than Bernie Sanders's. As for accomplishments, neither have them has done very much of consequence beyond pleasuring themselves and their supporters with anti-capitalist sophistry.

When it comes to recreational Marxism -- for that's what we're talking about here -- I think a strong case can be made Harris is every bit the equal of Bernie Sanders.

So what, is Harris secretly a Stalinist? Is she going to put white, Christian Conservatives into Gulags if she is elected?

People used say MLK was a communist, conservative say anyone who wants a public healthcare option is a socialist. I am pretty sure conservatives stated people who supported gay marriage were communists at one point.

This is just Red Scare boogie man arguments, conservatives think anyone who doesn't want to return the US to the Glided Age is a communist.

 

[Helix]

Cite the post # where you claim you did that.

You quoted it. This game is boring. I quit.

 

[jaypatriot]

Yeah, they're certainly trying to avoid the term but nearly all economists (from both the left and right sides) and even lots of media are very clearly and regularly using the correct and completely equivalent term.

David Brooks on the PBS News Hour cited Kamala's plan as "economic illiteracy."
Price controls have never worked. But Left-leaning news channels will not condemn her statements as economic lunacy.

CNN anchor says Harris' price control plan 'sounds' like a 'ploy:' 'Is it really policy?'​

A Washington Post columnist recently wrote, 'It’s hard to exaggerate how bad this policy is'​

By Gabriel Hays Fox News

Published August 16, 2024 5:30pm EDT
The (CNN) host read aloud one commentator’s criticism of the price control proposal – that it was meant to pander to "economically illiterate" voters – and appeared to agree that it was a way to get cheap votes from those who don’t understand how the economy works.

"Is this just a ploy? Because it sounds kind of like it," Phillip asked her guests, which included Rep. Nancy Mace, R-S.C., Democratic strategist Keith Boykin and Vanderbilt University professor Michael Eric Dyson.

CNN anchor says Harris' price control plan 'sounds' like a 'ploy:' 'Is it really policy?'

CNN anchor Abby Phillip criticized Vice President Kamala Harris' plan to stop businesses from "price gouging" as a "ploy" to attract "economically illiterate" voters.

www.foxnews.com

 

[NatMorton]

I’ve already accomplished my goal here. We can play slap and tickle more if you want,
though. It’s Sunday, and I don’t go to church.

If gainsaying foolishness was your goal, all I can say is "well done."

 

[NatMorton]

So what, is Harris secretly a Stalinist? Is she going to put white, Christian Conservatives into Gulags if she is elected?

People used say MLK was a communist, conservative say anyone who wants a public healthcare option is a socialist. I am pretty sure conservatives stated people who supported gay marriage were communists at one point.

This is just Red Scare boogie man arguments, conservatives think anyone who doesn't want to return the US to the Glided Age is a communist.

No, this is you building straw-men. If you wish to debate what I've actually said, please do, but I won't be replying further to foolishness like this.

 

[trixare4kids]

Shes competent at being incompetent.

And of course, just like always, the corrupt media, for the most part is turning the blind eye to Kamala's zero-record on doing anything positive for the country while with Biden, and rather praise her for her phony platitudes now.

Business as usual.

 

[brianpatrick]

If gainsaying foolishness was your goal, all I can say is "well done."

I call it stepping over poop on my way to somewhere else. You’re free to define it any way you want. If I were trying to convince YOU, I would be foolish. That’s not what I’m doing.

 

[NatMorton]

You quoted it. This game is boring. I quit.

It would have been easier to cite the post number than to lie about it.

Yes, a good time for you to exit. You have a lovely day.

 

[Yes_Minister]

No, Nixon was a moderate.

I was asked about policies characteristic of Marxism, not people. Price controls are central to a Marxist economy since markets, which set prices in a capitalist model, are now allowed to exist under Marxism.

Can I recommend that you try to stay on topic?

I don't think Harris is planning on overthrowing Capitalism and imposing a dictatorship of the proletariat that will fall away into stateless communism.

The government doing things in society is not Marxism, otherwise Sweden would be Marxist according to this "logic".

 

[brianpatrick]

And of course, just like always, the corrupt media, for the most part is turning the blind eye to Kamala's zero-record on doing anything positive for the country while with Biden, and praising her for her phony platitudes. Business as usual.

We mostly like her because she’s not a Christian.

 

[NatMorton]

I call it stepping over poop on my way to somewhere else. You’re free to define it any way you want. If I were trying to convince YOU, I would be foolish. That’s not what I’m doing.

That's a good thing. You show every evidence of lacking the requisite skills.

You have a nice day.