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Progressive taxation is not only essential, but MORAL.[W:963:1176:1448]
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Re: Progressive taxation is not only essential, but MORAL.
Investors bid government bond prices, which then reflect rates, every Tuesday. Investors have been willing to lend money to our government at very low rates. There is nothing arbitrary about it.
Investors bid government bond prices, which then reflect rates, every Tuesday. Investors have been willing to lend money to our government at very low rates. There is nothing arbitrary about it.
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And these bonds are backed by?
And these bonds are backed by?
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the court system
civilian law enforcement agencies that actually protect the rights and property of the citizenry
military defense of the borders and the nation from foreign threats
you keep confusing anarchism with libertarianism
why do you post falsehoods Libertarians fully support many parts of government
the court system
civilian law enforcement agencies that actually protect the rights and property of the citizenry
military defense of the borders and the nation from foreign threats
you keep confusing anarchism with libertarianism
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The strongest safest currency in the world, the US dollar.
The strongest safest currency in the world, the US dollar.
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Relative, and not private.
Relative, and not private.
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You don't support the courts unless you agree with their rulings
You don't support the police or military if they are used to uphold court rulings you don't like.
You don't support the courts unless you agree with their rulings
You don't support the police or military if they are used to uphold court rulings you don't like.
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yeah - stuff that benefits you. And even then you got a mile long list of what is wrong with those things. :doh:roll:
yeah - stuff that benefits you. And even then you got a mile long list of what is wrong with those things. :doh:roll:
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Than can be obtained elsewhere, through consent.
Than can be obtained elsewhere, through consent.
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you are not being accurate. But you have some truth. what I mentioned benefit EVERYONE. the stuff the Dems push benefit them. Not us
you are not being accurate. But you have some truth. what I mentioned benefit EVERYONE. the stuff the Dems push benefit them. Not us
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If you support the elimination of the armed forces, then you are certainly free to share and debate your policy position with others, as I do regarding my support for the elimination of social security.
However, we are required to obey the law as it currently is, until it is changed.
If you support the elimination of the armed forces, then you are certainly free to share and debate your policy position with others, as I do regarding my support for the elimination of social security.
However, we are required to obey the law as it currently is, until it is changed.
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the military benefits everyone indirectly. income redistribution hurts one group and mainly helps another-the politicians who buy the votes of the liberals with the tax dollars of the industrious
the military benefits everyone indirectly. income redistribution hurts one group and mainly helps another-the politicians who buy the votes of the liberals with the tax dollars of the industrious
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there is the problem right out of the gate. THEM vs. US. Try thinking of yourself as just one of 315 million Americans who are all in the same nation for once. That would go a long way to rehabilitating this SELF mindset that says "I got mine - screw those who didn't".
there is the problem right out of the gate. THEM vs. US. Try thinking of yourself as just one of 315 million Americans who are all in the same nation for once. That would go a long way to rehabilitating this SELF mindset that says "I got mine - screw those who didn't".
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I support stuff that helps EVERYONE-not just your Democratic Party masters and the pawns who vote them into office
I support stuff that helps EVERYONE-not just your Democratic Party masters and the pawns who vote them into office
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Except you didn't answer my question... under your definition of robbing peter to pay paul and what constitutes government theft...
If I decide that I don't benefit from the military.. is it my right to not pay taxes because its government theft?
You claim that social security is of no benefit because it robs peter and pays paul and therefore such is theft...
What about a military that I don't feel I need?
Except you didn't answer my question... under your definition of robbing peter to pay paul and what constitutes government theft...
If I decide that I don't benefit from the military.. is it my right to not pay taxes because its government theft?
You claim that social security is of no benefit because it robs peter and pays paul and therefore such is theft...
What about a military that I don't feel I need?
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I don't even know what that nonsense is suppose to mean in a rational discussion.
Am I now suppose to come back like a playground retort from a sixth grader and insult you telling you about your masters and the people who vote them into office? Don't you think its time for this sort of nonsense to stop Turtle? Try deep sixing the masters routine and the Demobots routine and the pawns who vote themselves another teat to suckle on for a while and lets see if the discussion improves a bit.
I don't even know what that nonsense is suppose to mean in a rational discussion.
Am I now suppose to come back like a playground retort from a sixth grader and insult you telling you about your masters and the people who vote them into office? Don't you think its time for this sort of nonsense to stop Turtle? Try deep sixing the masters routine and the Demobots routine and the pawns who vote themselves another teat to suckle on for a while and lets see if the discussion improves a bit.
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First.. I find it interesting that you think the military benefits everyone indirectly.. and its okay even though in truth it is still income redistribution..
If you take my income.. and give it to some government contractor to help spy on my own internet musings.. its still income redistribution. Oh and its helps politicians buy the votes of so called conservatives with the tax dollars of the industrious.
By the way.. people having access to healthcare benefits everyone indirectly much more than a military.. far more people have been killed by disease, and plague than by being shot.
First.. I find it interesting that you think the military benefits everyone indirectly.. and its okay even though in truth it is still income redistribution..
If you take my income.. and give it to some government contractor to help spy on my own internet musings.. its still income redistribution. Oh and its helps politicians buy the votes of so called conservatives with the tax dollars of the industrious.
By the way.. people having access to healthcare benefits everyone indirectly much more than a military.. far more people have been killed by disease, and plague than by being shot.
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the children vote into office the santa clauses who promise them the most goodies paid for by others
Obama beat Romney because Obama promised more handouts
the children vote into office the santa clauses who promise them the most goodies paid for by others
Obama beat Romney because Obama promised more handouts
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Well, you can do whatever you want, but you'd be arrested, just as if I decided to not pay taxes because I consider social security government theft.
You're entitled to your political views just as I am entitled to mine. But if either of us don't pay based upon our views, well end up in jail.
Well, you can do whatever you want, but you'd be arrested, just as if I decided to not pay taxes because I consider social security government theft.
You're entitled to your political views just as I am entitled to mine. But if either of us don't pay based upon our views, well end up in jail.
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I constantly am amazed about the stuff you post and how it contradicts your lean.
Paying for the healthcare of those who act irresponsibly doesn't help those of us who do
I constantly am amazed about the stuff you post and how it contradicts your lean.
Paying for the healthcare of those who act irresponsibly doesn't help those of us who do
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Again.. you fail to answer the question at hand regarding your point of view...
You consider social security theft because its robbing peter to pay paul...
Well, then is forcing me to pay taxes for a military I don't need theft?
Its a yes or no question... is the government forcing me to pay for a military I don't need.. stealing from me?
Again.. yes or no.
Again.. you fail to answer the question at hand regarding your point of view...
You consider social security theft because its robbing peter to pay paul...
Well, then is forcing me to pay taxes for a military I don't need theft?
Its a yes or no question... is the government forcing me to pay for a military I don't need.. stealing from me?
Again.. yes or no.
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how do you know you don't need it? its like saying you shouldn't have to pay for fire departments until your house is on fire. or the police until your alarm goes off.
yet you are all in favor of income redistribution where one group derives no benefit for being taxed to sustain the existence of the unable and unwilling
how do you know you don't need it? its like saying you shouldn't have to pay for fire departments until your house is on fire. or the police until your alarm goes off.
yet you are all in favor of income redistribution where one group derives no benefit for being taxed to sustain the existence of the unable and unwilling
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Let's just "progress" taxes all the way to 100% on liberals, and watch them scream.
Let's just "progress" taxes all the way to 100% on liberals, and watch them scream.
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Absolutely positively it does...
That's why when you travel to countries that don't have such social safety nets, you have to have to take a world of vaccinations for diseases that don't exist here.
The fact that we have a social safety net for healthcare.. is why we aren't literally plagued by plague...
And stating that fact doesn't contradict my lean in any shape or form.. in fact it enhances it... because being a conservative is about smaller government, fiscal responsibility and freedom. And a true conservative recognizes that things like plague threaten freedom, they cost society way more to fix than to prevent and it requires a lot more government to quarantine a plague than to prevent one.
The conservative argument isn't whether their should be a safety net.. its how big does it need to be, and how can we provide it in the most efficient and cost effective manner while preserving freedom.
Absolutely positively it does...
That's why when you travel to countries that don't have such social safety nets, you have to have to take a world of vaccinations for diseases that don't exist here.
The fact that we have a social safety net for healthcare.. is why we aren't literally plagued by plague...
And stating that fact doesn't contradict my lean in any shape or form.. in fact it enhances it... because being a conservative is about smaller government, fiscal responsibility and freedom. And a true conservative recognizes that things like plague threaten freedom, they cost society way more to fix than to prevent and it requires a lot more government to quarantine a plague than to prevent one.
The conservative argument isn't whether their should be a safety net.. its how big does it need to be, and how can we provide it in the most efficient and cost effective manner while preserving freedom.
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So since you will not bite at my attempt for decent and rational discussion and avoid all the vitriolic partisan hyperbole, lets examine your santa allegation: Do two things
1- reproduce the list of goodies that Obama promised to get elected
2- produce authoritative evidence that it was those promised goodies that got the voters to elect him.
In other words Turtle - back up the charges for once with verifiable evidence.
So since you will not bite at my attempt for decent and rational discussion and avoid all the vitriolic partisan hyperbole, lets examine your santa allegation: Do two things
1- reproduce the list of goodies that Obama promised to get elected
2- produce authoritative evidence that it was those promised goodies that got the voters to elect him.
In other words Turtle - back up the charges for once with verifiable evidence.