For what cancer, colds, the flu?
Specifics and why.
And if they don't, or it is not enough to cover their health care bills, the government should foot the rest of the bill.
Any medical expenses. We can do it for everybody in the nation, I don't see why we can't do it for 9/11 hero's.
Harry G thinks it's OK to "partially compensate" someone for their labor.
He rationalized theft and fraud
Wha?
Huh, what the hell are you talking about?
You make no sense.
For what cancer, colds, the flu?
Specifics and why.
Totally different topic that is highly debatable.
I don't do hero worship.
Moving goal posts.
This topic is about responders (police, fire, ambulatory), not workers(could be anything).
You forgot what you said? Priceless!
You said there was no evidence that the cancers COULD have been caused by exposure at the WTC
Me said:there is no evidence that the cancers present in some people are directly related to the carcinogens that they were potentially exposed to during and after the WTC attacks.
Totally different topic that is highly debatable.
I don't do hero worship.
Distorting what I said.
Partially, as in; in part of the whole of their compensation package which also includes, wages and retirement benefits.
The workers WERE 1st responders. Who do you think moved stuff out of the way when people were trapped?
That's not what you said, but it's not the first time you've moved the goalposts in this thread
Now what did I say?
What authority am I using?
I'm merely pointing out that there is no clear evidence that the potential exposure could have caused them harm.
Moving goal posts.
This topic is about responders (police, fire, ambulatory), not workers(could be anything).
Workers is a generic reference to all people, including debris clearing and construction personnel.
First responders are not debris cleaners or construction personnel.
OK. MY bad.
I'm trying to find out why if they have existing coverage, it's nto being paid for. I can't even find anyone arguing they already have insurance to pay for this.
Here is what you said
First you asked for evidence that it COULD have caused harm. Then you changed it to proof that it DID cause harm
Potential carcinogens from WTC fallout ≠ Agent Orange, GWS or PSTD
They are not equivocal.
Besides the point that they already have medical coverage.
I did not change anything, otherwise the post would represent that I edited it.
Yes I misspoke later on, but that does not prove that the cancer is primarily caused by the exposure.
If they would actually investigate it further and could provide more than conjecture, that the fallout was the primary or the most likely primary cause for the cancer, then I would fully support coverage as they are liable for the damages.
yup, that's the concern
Democrats split on Independent Payment Advisory Board - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com
good thinking
Workers is a generic reference to all people, including debris clearing and construction personnel.
First responders are not debris cleaners or construction personnel.
Oy vey!!
One post said "could". After I pointed out that there was evidence, you changed it to "did"
So now you "misspoke"? :roll:
Gee, so you're going to stick to the "misspoken" point?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-9-11-responders-cancer-5.html#post1059697573
Show me where it says "edited" so that we know that I changed it.
Even as a mod, I cannot hide my "edits."
Yes, because I did.
Much better than you accusing me of changing my post, without any evidence what so ever.
Perhaps they are. Let's look at GWS. The facts are that a toxic mix in the Gulf AO caused an inordinate amount of Americans and local nationals to have a number of illnesses, including early ALS, cancer, a host of nasty and thus far incurable maladies - and higher birth defects especially in and around areas like Fallujah. I can go deeper into the subject, but not here. The U.S. Government, the VA in this case, shucked and jived and lied and stone walled and bull****ted and ****ed over all the people coming home with GWS, telling them they're lying, goldbricking, it's all in their head. They did the EXACT same thing regarding Agent Orange. The government that waved the flag and called them heroes shoved it up the butt when they came home sick as a result of their deployment. The same government denied them continued medical treatment and compensation for their disabilities and their disabled children. Could the Bush Administration have then lied to Americans, New Yorkers about air quality? Oh, hell yes, and did. It is therefore equivocal, there is a pattern, well established and documented.
Nope. The medical coverage was/is often inadequate and insufficient. The harm the people in question encountered was extraordinary and most coverage was inadequate. The government's role in causing great harm is inexcusable. It is in fact in an extraordinary situation such as 9/11 that the government SHOULD step in and ensure the proper assistance for people who were harmed. Nope, you disagree. If the first responders, the salvage workers, the clean up works and the people living in that area of Manhattan didn't have proper insurance for that kind of disaster with illnesses from causes unknown with in the U.S. then screw those dumb ass chumps for not knowing better.
What we are really talking about here is YOUR sense of entitlement, isn't it Harry. I was once a Libertarian. Capital L. It's all about moi, isn't it? Self entitlement and everyone else is a sucker, dummy or fool.
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