George_Washington
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Billo_Really said:Oh, this is rich. Excuse me while I pull my pant legs up. I don't want to get them dirty. Imagine an occupation army coming into the US and shooting our citizens, bombing our hospitals, raiding our homes at 3 in the morning, using our churches as barracks for their troops, restricting our movements so much you go thru 5 check points to get to the market, everytime you look at them they point a gun at you, they take control of our natural resources and then, DeeJayH......are you listening, and then, after 2-3 years of this bullshit were going to say, "Oh yeah, you guys were right. You know what's best for us. Thank you for destroying our infrastructure. Were soooooo grateful." Is this what you would call a pleasure? Talk about conservative pyscho-babble.
Diogenes said:Your key phrase is "have the candidates offer real solutions to the problem" and that is the core problem of the Democrats.
I agree with you that factions are the problem, and the problem exists in both parties. It is even more difficult when the members of a faction are fanatical single-issue activists, and IMO it has gotten worse in the last several years.DivineComedy said:Exactly, but personally I think the core problem is manifest in factions, period, not just in the Democratic party, because I describe a problem and the Republican Party in Congress obviously has no solution.
Diogenes said:I agree with you that factions are the problem, and the problem exists in both parties. It is even more difficult when the members of a faction are fanatical single-issue activists, and IMO it has gotten worse in the last several years.
The problem you describe in your sidebar is real - a coworker of mine was deserted by her husband, the credit card company would not allow her to cancel the card or her participation in the debts he subsequently rang up, and threatened to reposess everything she had - but that's a state problem rather than a federal one. In Minnesota, for instance, one spouse is allowed to sell the car of the other spouse even though his/her name is not on the title. This insanity (always enacted and supported in the name of "fairness" of course) seems to be more prevalent in blue states than in red states, since it promotes the redistribution of wealth from those who have earned it to those who haven't.
I agree! In my state we must register as a party animal or accept less in the way of choices, which can only mean fewer choices on the issues as the Kool-Aid drinkers rule.^graff said:in reality what our nation needs is a body of non-partisan leaders that do what they think it best for our nation, not a congress of nervous old men voting along party lines.
I agree! In my state we must register as a party animal or accept less in the way of choices, which can only mean fewer choices on the issues as the Kool-Aid drinkers rule.
OdgenTugbyGlub said:Are the Kool-Aid drinkers supposed to be the black people, because if so...
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :rofl !
galenrox said:then what do you think about the republican party, they've been hijacked by the far christian right, but you have no issue with that. Would you even claim for a second that the republican party represents moderates?
I'm fairly moderate, and the reason I classify myself as a moderate is solely because the republican party moved too far right for me, WAY too far right for me.
galenrox said:I actually feel offended at the republicans claiming that they represent christian values. I also feel offended that so many of my faith are dumb enough to fall for it.
The republicans support a couple of things that are shared by a few churches. The democrats support the one thing that all christian churches hold in common, which is charity. The democrats believe in taking care out of the sick and the poor, which is the message from about 60% of the bible, while when it comes to abortion and homosexuals, there might be a couple of lines in Paul about them, and Jesus never mentioned them. He certainly mentioned taking care of your brother, which is something that the republican party is pretty fervently against.
And remember the tale of the righteous man and the sinner at prayer. The righteous man bragged about how christian he was, how righteous he was, and how great God was for allowing him to be so great, essentially. Then the sinner prayed for forgiveness, and when they left only the sinner was saved.
Republicans brag about being the party of christian values, but anyone who would advertise that isn't truely christian, not in God's eyes.
They win elections cause they're good at politics. That's it, their ideas are terrible, the effect that they've had on this country is terrible, and they are terrible people, but fantastic politicians. Bravo for them!
galenrox said:I actually feel offended at the republicans claiming that they represent christian values. I also feel offended that so many of my faith are dumb enough to fall for it.
The republicans support a couple of things that are shared by a few churches. The democrats support the one thing that all christian churches hold in common, which is charity. The democrats believe in taking care out of the sick and the poor, which is the message from about 60% of the bible, while when it comes to abortion and homosexuals, there might be a couple of lines in Paul about them, and Jesus never mentioned them. He certainly mentioned taking care of your brother, which is something that the republican party is pretty fervently against.
And remember the tale of the righteous man and the sinner at prayer. The righteous man bragged about how christian he was, how righteous he was, and how great God was for allowing him to be so great, essentially. Then the sinner prayed for forgiveness, and when they left only the sinner was saved.
Republicans brag about being the party of christian values, but anyone who would advertise that isn't truely christian, not in God's eyes.
They win elections cause they're good at politics. That's it, their ideas are terrible, the effect that they've had on this country is terrible, and they are terrible people, but fantastic politicians. Bravo for them!
Navy Pride said:Well when you have a party that promotes Abortion and Gay Marriage you have a problem selling that party to the American people......That is one of the main reasons Christians voted overwhelmingly for President Bush..........
I know I am a Catholic Christian Conservative and I support all kinds of charities for the poor...........I personally think the main job of the government is to defend this countries and not provide all these welfare programs that are full of corruption........I think that churches and charitable organizations should take care of the truly poor in this country...........
I look at the 2 past candidates for president nominated by the democratic party and they were both very flawed.......I actually could have voted for a decent candidate but none were offered by the democrats.......President Bush has is deficiencies, there is no question about that but when it comes to your party candidates it was a slam dunk as to who would get my vote.........
Until your party nominates some Moderate candidates you will continue to lose elections.....The problem is when you have a moderate candidate for president like a Leiberman he has no chance of winning because the base of your party is controlled by the far left.........
I saw Senator John Breax, a democrat on C-SPAN recently......He is considered very moderate on the political issues...............When the moderator asked him why don't you take a run at the presidency he said becasue I would have no chance to win the nomination.........
I think that says volumes.........
Gosh, I count them as being seriously flawed all the way back to McGovern in 1972. The two Democrats elected since then, Carter and Clinton, hardly turned out to be bright lights in our national history.Navy Pride said:I look at the 2 past candidates for president nominated by the democratic party and they were both very flawed...
Or escaped.George_Washington said:Speaking of politics on television, look at cross fire. Liberals always seem angry. That Carville guy is nearly psycotic. He gets so angry and hot headed, I wonder if he's actually just been released from the psych ward.
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