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A lot of people here in the abortion forum area professing to be avid pro-lifers, passing judgement on those who are pro-choice, and calling abortion ( a legal procedure per the laws of the land ) murder ( a fallacious claim often used for inflammatory purposes. ). More pro-lifers seem to be claiming to be conservatives as opposed to being liberals, yet conservatives are the very first to vote for politicians who cut funding for vital health care, food programs, subsidized housing, and other basic needs for the needy who need this assistance to properly feed, clothe, and house the babies once they are born. So, I have two questions for avid pro-lifers. 1) Other than voicing outrage against 'legal' abortions on a message board, what have you done, are doing, or will do in the future to help the unborns and after they are actually born, and 2), Is is just possible it is more appropriate to say you are more of a pro-birth supporter than a pro-life supporter ?
You know, everytime it comes up to polling, ~80% of americans want benefits to babies born prematurely or without nutrition, and everyone wants babies from broken homes to have better parents and have opportunities to go to school and earn a living. How do such policies get such high numbers without the approval of pro-lifers(pro-birth, whatever you want to call them). Is there ANYONE out there that thinks babies should be born, and then just starve to death? Until you can show me who, no pro-lifers in their right mind should let you strawman them.
Polling and funding are two very different issues.
Maybe but, again, I think people approve of taking care of children when they're born. Maybe some of the resistance you see from conservatives may have something to do with distrust in government rather any personal thing against poor children. Even then, someone who cuts benefits may be seen as morally superior to another who supports killing babies, in the mind of a pro-lifer. It's why I always say democrats have a chance to win in the south, if only they would be willing to compromise on abortion, but they don't. What choice, then, do you leave pro-life voters? A republican who cuts benefits against a democrat who supports killing babies. For a pro-life vote, it's an easy calculation.
Pro-lifers don't view it any differently. You may do so, but they don't. Since you want to take care of born babies so much, why can't you compromise with pro-life voters on that, for the sake of providing benefits to those children who are born? So many would support such programs if you did.Stop being intellectually dishonest and calling unborns 'babies.'
Pro-lifers don't view it any differently. You may do so, but they don't. Since you want to take care of born babies so much, why can't you compromise with pro-life voters on that, for the sake of providing benefits to those children who are born? So many would support such programs if you did.
A lot of people here in the abortion forum area professing to be avid pro-lifers, passing judgement on those who are pro-choice, and calling abortion ( a legal procedure per the laws of the land ) murder ( a fallacious claim often used for inflammatory purposes. ). More pro-lifers seem to be claiming to be conservatives as opposed to being liberals, yet conservatives are the very first to vote for politicians who cut funding for vital health care, food programs, subsidized housing, and other basic needs for the needy who need this assistance to properly feed, clothe, and house the babies once they are born. So, I have two questions for avid pro-lifers. 1) Other than voicing outrage against 'legal' abortions on a message board, what have you done, are doing, or will do in the future to help the unborns and after they are actually born, and 2), Is is just possible it is more appropriate to say you are more of a pro-birth supporter than a pro-life supporter ?
I'm currently raising one of my great grand sons my wife and I adopted after talking one of our grand daughters out of aborting.......next
Good for you. That didn't address what I asked. Why can't you compromise with them? 80% of america, at the very least, want babies taken care of when they're born. Why not run pro-life democrats in the south then, beef up child benefit programs, and let them illegalize abortion? It seems everyone gets what they want then, in your argument.
because these 'pro-lifers' who don't think babies should be taken care of after birth and have the opportunity to have a good parents and go to school.....I'd like to know who these pro-lifers are because I don't know a single pro-life organization that's against these things. So it seems your questions are on false pretenses. I'm prolife, AND I want babies taken care after they're born. What's inconsistent about that?My OP really doesn't make any argument. It asks for answers to two specific questions....neither of which you addressed.
Abortion is just another avenue for people to try to force their religion on others. That's all there is to it. If pro-life actually believed the unborn were people, not a single clinic would remain standing by dawn 2/5/2019 (only the morally bankrupt would tolerate such a facility).
They're all liers, they don't even realize the bible is not pro-life.
Hypocrites, every last one.
1) Other than voicing outrage against 'legal' abortions on a message board, what have you done, are doing, or will do in the future to help the unborns and after they are actually born,
and 2), Is is just possible it is more appropriate to say you are more of a pro-birth supporter than a pro-life supporter ?
By why impose on others their beliefs?Because most Pro-Lifers are law-abiding citizens and try to work to change what they consider to be unjust laws.
By far most are ignorant religious zealots and very often hypocrites.That presumes that all pro-life advocates divine their beliefs from Biblical scripture.
Because most Pro-Lifers are law-abiding citizens and try to work to change what they consider to be unjust laws.
That presumes that all pro-life advocates divine their beliefs from Biblical scripture.
1) Other than voicing outrage against 'legal' abortions on a message board, what have you done, are doing, or will do in the future to help the unborns and after they are actually born, and 2), Is is just possible it is more appropriate to say you are more of a pro-birth supporter than a pro-life supporter ?
Abortion is just another avenue for people to try to force their religion on others. That's all there is to it.
I force mice and various insects found in my home to die as well. You seemed to think you had a point or something.There's an extreme irony in accusing others of forcing their beliefs while simultaneously forcing a fetus to die for what you believe to be a woman's right.
I force mice and various insects found in my home to die as well. You seemed to think you had a point or something.
1) It's been reasonably established that religious/conservative people are more charitable than liberal/non-religious people. If not on an individual level, definitely on a systematic one. Christian churches are among the most charitable organizations in the world. So yeah, I'd say the pro-lifers are doing their part in supporting life after birth for the needy.
2) I don't think the pro-choice side is in any position to accuse pro-lifers of hiding behind euphemisms. The entire abortion movement is full of strategic wording which abortion clinics have admitted to using in order to ease the mental grief of mothers wanting an abortion. Calling the dismemberment of a child and then sucking out the puss 'pro-choice' is way more inaccurate.
Fetus are not people, either. See Roe v. Wade.Let's not compare rodents or insects to people please.
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