yummy_zoe7
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yummy_zoe7 said:Some things I just don't understand....
I honestly think pro-choice really doesn't make much sense. You’re basically saying I should have a choice to kill the baby that is growing inside of my stomach...and that is my right!. I am 8 months pregnant and I think it is a shame that woman are honestly getting this procedure done. I could never imagine having my baby vacuumed out of my uterus and just throwing her away like yesterdays trash. I understand certain situations cause for an abortion....don't get me wrong. But when woman are using "abortion" as a birth control method I think they're pretty sick in the head. My baby moves all the time and you can see her heartbeat jump just by observing my stomach. For people to say that the growing fetus does not feel pain until a certain month is ridiculous. It doesn't make since for people like Scott Peterson to get charged with the murder of his unborn baby....when you have mothers throughout the world doing the same thing.....murdering their baby's. Point blank you can look at it however you want but abortion is Murder because you are ending a life. Like I said I am not some narrow minded person that doesn't think abortion is necessary in certain life or death situations...but having my first child in 11 more weeks really opened up my eyes to the topic. "Pro-choice" is nothing but non-sense so woman can say....."I choose to kill my baby...and that is my right!"
Give me a break.......
Let’s say I gave birth but realized I didn't want the baby, so I somehow caused bodily harm that caused the infant to die.
yummy_zoe7 said:I don't have the right to tell women what to do with their bodies....but I do have an opinion on the issue. No matter how you look at it they are committing murder by ending a life. Let’s say I gave birth but realized I didn't want the baby, so I somehow caused bodily harm that caused the infant to die. That is exactly what woman is doing as we speak. They have sex and create a life and decide they don't want it. So they get a procedure that causes bodily harm to the fetus resulting in its death. I am not saying that abortions are going to be banned anytime soon because in reality......there not. It just hurts my heart to think that every other minute another baby is dying in this cruel manner.
No matter how you look at it they are committing murder by ending a life.
-Demosthenes- said:What is the difference between a premature delivered baby that can live on it's own, and a unborn baby of the same age (since conception)?
That is a fcat, yes.yummy_zoe7 said:Plus.... people can get a 2nd trimester abortion 13 - 21 weeks. Wow and a 21 week old baby can not feel anything......
Whenever you are ready, dear. That you WANT to believe something contrary to facts and evidence, that certainly is your choice (See, there is that thing again, that stuff about having the right to choose), but when you try to misrepresent your belief as a fact, then you are dishonest.good grief lets get real!!!
That would be true, yes.So your telling me that a 5 month fetus doesn't feel his or her limps getting ripped off by a vacuum?....
certainly. The moment you stop spewing falsehoods, I will.give me a break!
Wow, like, you know, sort of, like dealign with FACTS? Well, the fact is that your claims are false. So yes by all means lets be realistic.:2razz:Let’s be realistic please
No, I meant to ask the difference between a baby born in the third trimester (but early), that has the normal structures and behavior of any other newborn, and an unborn baby of the same age (since conception).You mean live on its own in a Petri dish?What is the difference between a premature delivered baby that can live on it's own, and a unborn baby of the same age (since conception)?
Actually preemies from the start of the 3rd trimester are NOT like other newborn, so right there your argument fails.-Demosthenes- said:No, I meant to ask the difference between a baby born in the third trimester (but early), that has the normal structures and behavior of any other newborn,
For one, there is no baby until birth, so your argument doesn't make sense. Secondly, it doesn't matter, as the REAL issue is whether the woman is allowed to control her own body or not; that is so regardless of the "recipient." The status of the fetus is completely irrelevant, it can be a person 5 times over and still it doesn't have the right to her bodily resources against her will.and an unborn baby of the same age (since conception).
Sure. It is of the species "human. Pro-choice have never denied this, so I am not sure why PL makes a deal out of that?goligoth said:The fetus isn't a baby just like a baby isn't an adult. But I do believe that the fetus is human even at the most primal level, it is human. It's just on a different stage of development.
Who are pro-abortion? I don't really recall anybody ever advocating abortion as the preferred option, so your claim seems odd and certainly completely irrelevant.I dislike debating on these posts because the pro-abortion side of the issue
I don't think there are any here. there are prochoices, but to my knowledge, there are no pro-abortion people here?If anyone on the pro-abortion side wishes to sway me I am all ears.
What nonsense. I am for the woman having full choice about her own body and bodily resources, that's all.goligoth said:Can you give me a suitable alternative to abortoin which does not require killing the fetus? Because if so then I will call you pro-choice but until that time you are pro-abortion.
LOL, it happens all the time. Hence this invention called "contraception."goligoth said:Thank you for that simplistic response but let us say, metaphorically speaking, of course, that someone did have sex without the purpose of concieving a child( now this is only metaphorically speaking I'm not saying that it really happens)
not a thing. It is up to her.and then the woman, in question, gets pregnant. What are you going to do?
What a silly and dishonest dichotemy. Being reponsible is to deal with your own life and not leave decisions to others. Thus having an abortion or deciding to acrry to term are both very responsible options.Are you going to flush the womb like you flush your toilet or are you going to take reponsibility for your actons?
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[B said:]]You’re basically saying I should have a choice to kill the baby that is growing inside of my stomach...and that is my right!The law is basically saying you have that choice, and that it is your right.
goligoth said:Therefore if abortion was outlawed and she was forced to have the kid she is not leaving the deciscion to others (it's not even an option).
I will restate my belief that I don't think that a potential human should be denied the right to life simply because the woman doesn't like sharing her breakfast with it.
goligoth said:I don't know how to use the quote thing correctly so I won't use it.
Do you completely deny the existence of the fetus?And the woman having the ability to use or not use her resources at her dicresion are important but can you get rid of the "entity" inside of her without harming it? Obviously you can't because you didn't answer my question the first time I asked. If you don't care what other people do with their lives and the lives around them( giving them the choice to do whatever the #@%$ they want) then you are accepting it as right. As an example and simply as an example: I assume you opposed Hitler. You probably opposed him because of his methodical killing of Jews and anyone who opposed him. I am not referencing this as to the killing so much as the not accepting it as right. You didn't agree with his extermination of a people and so you opposed him you didn't just sit by and say "well I am all for his ability to choose, I mean they are his resources". And while Hitler is a separate and more complicated topic the underlying message that I referenced it for exist so don't dance around my posts by twisting the minor imperfections of my posts to throw focus from the topic.
And as to the post of yours that soon followed: when I posted that was entirely and completely sarcastic. I was making fun of him for avoiding the question. The second thing you quoted in the same post you said it was up to her and I'm sorry I should have been more specific. In that particulair scenario I assumed that you were either the man and/or the woman involved and again not saying so was my fault. And as to the third thing that you quoted: The woman is obviously having an abortion for some reason whether it be financial, inconvience, lazziness, or whatever; the abortion is only as responsible as making sure that you get to the doctor in time to have your kidney removed. Having a kid is much more responsibility and it is her responsibility to take care of the kid or at least not burden it with such a crapy mother by giving it to an orphanage, killing it should never be an option. Therefore if abortion was outlawed and she was forced to have the kid she is not leaving the deciscion to others (it's not even an option).
I will restate my belief that I don't think that a potential human should be denied the right to life simply because the woman doesn't like sharing her breakfast with it.
I'm sorry that I couldn't quote you correctly when I should have in the middle of my post but I thought it would be distracting from the main topic to read something that you wrote and I would probably do it wrong anyway.
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