goligoth said:
Generally? The only similarity is that contractions ae induced....if it is an induction abortion then they probably did something to the fetus or its surroundings before contractions were induced. Or they plan on birthing the baby and not doing anything to it, most likely with the hope of keeping it alive.....The difference between the two is that abortion=hope fetus dead before born birth=hope fetus to survive
And as I pointed out before, when you reach 3rd trimester, the woman has endured 6 months of pregnancy. Unless something is seriously wrong, she doesn't abort. I will challenge you regarding your apparent prolife view of these being "abortion on demand" or whatever euphemism that prolife uses for "unjustified abortions."
The things I have just said are what I perceive to be......I have never heard about this whole induction abortion thing and I have made a few assumptions....tell me if I'm wrong.
Well, some of the things you have said are, per my experience and my reading of the scientific and research literature simply not correct. I have tried to point out where I perceive your claims to be wrong.
it does matter what it's called though.....
Nope, the procedure is the same. The developmental stage is called by the same name etc.
if the fetus or it's surroundings were tampered with in a way to damage it in some way and it was developed enough to exist outside it's mother then it should be a crime (in my opinion).
The 3 reasons I have heard, where 3rd trimester abortions are (rarely) done, are
(1) "
fetal demise." The fetus died. If it is not aborted, it will start to disintegrate and cause sterility, if not life-threatening infection in the woman.
(2) "
Conditions of serious genetic defects or incompatibility with life." Serious chromosomal defects where the fetus will die in hours to days after birth, serious physical defects, such as anencephaly, the lack of cranium, bowels outside the abdomen, serious spina bifida etc. Some abortions here are also done for "relatively" minor defects such as trisomy-21 (We really shouldn't say "Down's syndronme, as that actually is a racist term) or the Midline Defects that requires an enormous amount of neonatal surgery to even survive (I saw a kid who had 50 surgeries by age 5).
(3) "
Maternal Crisis" When the woman's life or health is in danger from the pregnancy, we remove the fetus and hope for the best. If it is at 22 weeks, then the fetus dies. If it is at 32 weeks, it likely survives. In between, we hope for the best.
THAT is what 3rd trimester abortions are.
if contractions are induced without tampering with the fetus and it is born dead/alive then it doesn't matter what it is called but it wasn't a crime (in my opinion).
OK.
I mean that if something is injected into the fetus or it's surroundings, that was meant to harm it, before contractions were induced then there is about a .00000000001% chance it will survive, right?
Correct. We are still talking 3rd trimester here, right? If you have a fetus with anencephaly, it WILL die and if bborn at term likely cause serious birth trauma to the woman. So potassium chloride is injected in the umbilical vein, the fetal heart and central nervous system function shuts down, and induced abortion is begun. Do you think such a procedure of a completely non-viable fetus should be done WITHOUT KCl injection first?
O.k. two was a bad number.....some is what I meant to say but there are still many more than some.....
In the US, we use about 5 methods.
I'm sure that Felicity or someone else can help you out with a site on all of their names....
Oh PLEASE!!!:roll:
He likes me...he really likes me!!!:mrgreen:
I respect you. lets not be carried away. We still have deep philosophical differences and likely very opposite politics in every matter.
I don't come across spewing lies and what not because I don't have any facts on the subjects...only what I have heard and seen. By debating here (unlike everyone else) I am trying to form an educated opinion on this subject,
Yes, I noticed. That immediately set you apart. (That's a good thing, even though you might get hammered for not following the party line).
like I said I don't trust websites and I have only been exposed to my churches beliefs.
It is a good idea to check out some non-dogma sources. Actually, this site has a reasonably informed view. I DON'T endore everything they say here, and some of what they represent as "facts," are not, but the general information is informative, even though you have to doublecheck the facts:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abortion.htm
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