Of course it is possible. Not to recognize that is absurd.
Truth usually does piss off a certain portion of our population.
What reason do you have to doubt what he says?
Dead at the hands of police is dead in whatever nation you choose to look at
Yes but its funny cases like this just seem to keep happening over and over again yet only in the US isn't it ?
How gullible do hey think people are? Wait a week and then announce "oh uhh he totally broke his own neck on purpose!"
Maybe folks were to quick to blame police.
Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?If this thread is proof of anything, is that there are a ton of gullible idiots in this world. Can you imagine? Guy breaks his own neck and crushes his own windpipe, in the back of a van, while handcuffed.... just to... what? Die and get away from the police forever and ever?
I feel sorry for you and those who think like you - it makes your life so much more difficult and stressful. I have zero attitude towards police and as a result I've had nothing but professional experiences when dealing with them. But then, I also respect the laws that have been established by the society in which I live, so that makes it easy not to "cop" an attitude. And those laws I don't like? I work the system to try to change them - I don't just ignore and/or break them.
Liberal blog: U.S. cops killed more people in one month than U.K. cops killed last century | PunditFact
I could dig into the actual information cited, but I'm not really interested.
As to civil war, why are your trying to push that there is a "war" on by US Cops, but you don't want to count your "war"? So you want to qualify deaths at the hands of police?
The fact is, the "per capita" claim is completely false, as it draws assumptions from a fraction of the police agencies, and the data that is available is comingled with other reported deaths that aren't related. There are thousands of police agencies across the US that haven't experienced a police shooting in years, yet they also don't report to the data base activists and control groups like those behind the stats your pushing like to use
As to your final question, let's not play games. You've been around long enough, and the links you've provided are right out of the anti-police/anti gun play book.
Given the links you provided are the most commonly used to push your narrative, I would suggest you have used them before, and you have likely received similar responses as mine, pointing out the flawed nature of their conclusions.
If that is the case, it's clear you have decided to ignore those factual responses to continue to push your agenda. If that is not the case, then what I have provided in response should give rise to a bit of caution before using this flawed data to make a point.
You haven't refute what I said.They are culpable for breaking protocol and endangering the life of their prisoner. They need a damned good excuse as to why they broke it, and if it cannot be defended they are certainly partially responsible in the least.
Obviously you are not paying attention. The route is already known.Path is important because it can show if they went out of their way to extend rides or go down certain streets that were not the best way to get to the precinct.
:dohAnd look at this.
Freddie Gray death: New narratives emerge - CNN.com
Where's that on your time line?
Continually saying they endangered his life by not doing so is ridiculous.Perchance, and if they can demonstrate legitimate reason for breaking protocol and endangering the life of their restrained, and cuffed prisoner, then they can do so.
:doh iLOLAnd yet you yourself cited this from the 24th.
From the 24th.
Batts said another man who was in the van during the tail end of Gray's ride told investigators that Gray was "was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises" up until the van arrived at the station. Batts said the man also said the driver did not speed, make sudden stops of "drive erratically."
Freddie Gray death: Baltimore police prisoner transport under scrutiny - World - CBC News
There are reports that the dude, who could not see Gray, was attempting to hurt himself, and your post which says that he was kicking and making noise till the arrived at the precinct.
:doh :dohFirst off, what I said was
Which is not assumption, that statement was referring to the additional information about the possibility of Gray trying to hurt himself (he should have been properly restrained). Nothing there exonerates the police. And of course nothing that we no yet condemns them, but I never said it did. The investigation is still pending.
And?Dead at the hands of police is dead in whatever nation you choose to look at
:dohYes but its funny cases like this just seem to keep happening over and over again yet only in the US isn't it ?
I sort of guessed that
So are you saying that you too are in civil war in order to cobble together some kind of excuse then ?
So what sinister agenda is it you think these alleged activists and control groups are pursuing and why ?
Well I'm certainly not anti police. Far from it in fact
Nope I've never used them before
Wanting data to be flawed doesn't make it so. Your police kill many times the number of people than are killed in the rest of the developed world combined. If you are happy with that being so then who am I to argue.
There is nothing to show this only happens in the USA. Nothing whatsoever.
You really think one is better than the other. GWB put us all in debt & Obama is keeping us there. Same difference.
The riots started because a false narrative of " Police brutality "????????? Are you paying any attention to this, or do you get the story straight for Sean Hannity.
The city payed out 6 mil last year for police brutality. false narrative LOL
As the people in Baltimore are saying. What is more important property or human life. The police, city, & Fox News think property. Were do you stand?
Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
Stop your absurdity joko.Are you going on record that people arrested by the police should always be presumed to be telling the truth?
And?
That does not indicate wrong doing on the part of Police.
Do you or do you not understands that?
What?
You are speaking from a position of your own biases and clearly do not know of what you speak.LOL
Yeah.
Probably the same "credible source" that told them about the vast gang conspiracy to kill cops.
Not holding my breath on that, see no reason to believe this either.
No doubt in my mind that the DA offered this kid a sweetheart deal to provide this "revelation".
What's funny is that the same people who are taking this "admission" as Bible truth would be the first to discount anything this kid said if it went against the police.
There are dozens of witnesses, and note that none of them are sitting in prison so by "conservative" standards typically a lot more credible, all along the route from the time of Gray's arrest 'til the time he was delivered to Shock Trauma who have given accounts of police abusing Gray and none of those accounts are being bandied about by those who support big government jackbooted oppression.
But one skell sings like a canary to beat a charge and it's like the gates of heaven opened up and God told you Gray was being a rascal.
If it weren't so pathetic, and so transparent, it would be funny.
Your statement here is indicative of convoluted and biased thoughts.No doubt in my mind that the DA offered this kid a sweetheart deal to provide this "revelation".
You haven't refute what I said.
There may have been a reason for not doing so and not doing so does not automatically mean they are responsible for his injuries.
Obviously you are not paying attention. The route is already known.
Do you not understand that?
:doh
Again confirming you are not paying attention. It is there.
Continually saying they endangered his life by not doing so is ridiculous.
It puts your argument in the realm of exaggerated nonsense.
Especially as that "rule" (not law) was not previously in force 9 days earlier.
The "rule" (not law) was implemented for safety reasons, but that does not mean their life was endangered by not following it.
And not securing by seatbelt out of safety concerns for the Officer as claimed, is another valid reason.
And as the policy allowed for other means of restraining device be used, you have no idea if that was done or not. Just the claims of no seatbelt.
:doh iLOL
And?
I know what is says. It does not say "kicking and screaming"as you claimed.
That is just another of your exaggerations.
While it may later turn out to be true, presently it is just another of your exaggerations.
:doh :doh
Yes you did make an assumption.
"nothing can exonerate the actions of the police." is an assumption.
There is a difference in what you said.
One is an assumption the other is an observation.
"Nothing can exonerate the actions of the police." (an assumption), is different from "Nothing there exonerates the police" (an observation).
"Nothing can" is not the same as "nothing there".
I am sure you know that.
What?I heard no follow ups that identified the doctor that was making these assertions, nor where there any other doctors that lent greater credence to the plausibility of this.
This is all that I heard, and am trying to clearly state where I think it is in the vetting process. You own mileage may vary.
So does that mean the US is much more violent than other developed nations and therefore needs such levels of lethal response from its law enforcement ?
And your experiences prove what? I've always been respectful to police, but in my youth I can say that I was treated with enormous amounts of disrespect, but I grew up in a poor neighborhood where the cops treated people like crap. Now this isn't meant to prove anything except your anicdotal experiences and .25 cents will get you a cup of coffee.
Cities like Baltimore, Detroit, St Louis, Chicago, Atlanta, etc have been run by leftist monopolies for decades. Including the Police departments.
There's NO Bush or Conservative finger prints on any of this.
And yes I have been paying attention to this narrative. " Hands up dont shoot " was a lie.
Whos paying attention to the MUCH Larger issue of Black on black violence and growing poverty and dependance ? Not the Democrats and apparently not you
And risk to life is an exaggeration.I wasn't refuting, I stated that they must demonstrate a good reason to risk the life of the prisoner in such a manner.
Okay. That was my mistake. :dohOHHHHH OK. This new information that came out today that said there was an additional stop that had not been reported previously was already accounted for in the past when they hadn't reported it.
No. It was just put into effect nine days prior.Not properly securing the prisoner does risk his life,
:naughtyobviously, as given what happened here. So no, it's not exaggeration.
Stop with the exaggeration.The police need to produce the reason why they risked the life of the prisoner.
OMG! You don't even have the argument straight.It says kicking and making noise, it's not an exaggeration. Jeez, how about a touch of intellectual honesty in your arguments?
There is that lack of honesty again.That post was in reference to the information presented that Gray tried to injure himself. Nothing that was presented exonerates the police, both statements are true. You have to take one out of context, remove the beginning portion of the sentence and forget that it was in response to a specific argument to claim it was "assumption".
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