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President Trump Has Done Almost Nothing

radcen said:
The article title is self-explanatory.
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If he has done almost nothing, why has the press turned into raving lunatics about everything he doesn't do?

Ridiculously partisan crap.
 
MaggieD said:
If he has done almost nothing, why has the press turned into raving lunatics about everything he doesn't do?

Ridiculously partisan crap.
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"Raving lunatics." Lol
 
MaggieD said:
If he has done almost nothing, why has the press turned into raving lunatics about everything he doesn't do?

Ridiculously partisan crap.
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Ok, to be serious, rather than dismiss the source because it doesn't say what you want it to say, can you take any examples from the article and provide a valid counterpoint? Can you cite examples where they say his actions have been hollow and you see them as significant?
 
radcen said:
Ok, to be serious, rather than dismiss the source because it doesn't say what you want it to say, can you take any examples from the article and provide a valid counterpoint? Can you cite examples where they say his actions have been hollow and you see them as significant?
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I sped thru it, Radcen. Not willing to argue specifics this morning. I really think my point was well-taken. For a guy who this article claims has done nothing, he has certainly dominated the news cycle and driven the Left absolutely insane. If that's from "doing nothing," I'd hate to witness the blood-letting if he actually did, you know, SOMETHING. ;)
 
Threegoofs said:
Maybe if you, you know, *read* the article you might understand.
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And maybe, you know, if you posted on point instead instead of pulling MY pigtails, you might actually be a participant on this thread instead of a drive-by smarty pants.

Edit... Perhaps you and Kobie could have a bromance. ;)
 
Words ARE action. Else, everyone wouldn't be going ape**** every time he tweets. If you don't think words are action, yell "BOMB!" Next time you're in a crowded place. Let's us know how that worked out for you.

Also, note to liberals, press, etc...this article does get one thing correct. His EOs are largely...non action...they simply reiterate what we already have had done. For now. We'll see what happens down the road. And that's the key. Just sit back. Relax. Drink a Thom Collins. Chill. For about 6 months. Things will become more defined. Then you can non partisanly sharpen your knives.
 
MaggieD said:
I sped thru it, Radcen. Not willing to argue specifics this morning. I really think my point was well-taken. For a guy who this article claims has done nothing, he has certainly dominated the news cycle and driven the Left absolutely insane. If that's from "doing nothing," I'd hate to witness the blood-letting if he actually did, you know, SOMETHING. ;)
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A lot of his schitck and opposition is personality-driven, I'd agree with that. And that's ok... to a point.

The point of the article, as I took it, was that his supporters are proclaiming that he's actually doing what he promised, and how refreshing that is, yada yada yada... and he's really not.
 
radcen said:
The article title is self-explanatory.
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I thought the same thing, when I heard Stephen Miller say that. I thought...wait...done what?

Tax reform? No. Anything on Obamacare? No. Wall? No. Illegal immigrants? Well, I think they've stepped up the existing procedure to deport criminals. Okay. There's that. But that's not much, and certainly not what he ran on ("I TELL YOU ALL, FOLKS...LET'S MAKE AMERICA GREAT AND STEP UP THE EXISTING DEPORTATIONS OF CRIMINALS BY 10% I'LL GET THAT DONE!"). Help relations with other countries, unlike Obama (as he said)? No. Just the opposite. We're having continuing problems with Iran and N Korea, and now have problems with allies Mexico and Australia. Great Britain isn't feelin' the love, either. He DID cancel the TPP. Negotiate or cancel NAFTA? No.

He signed an EO to ban some Muslims...that's working its way through the courts. Apparently that was done hastily, without aforethought, and done wrong. So...nope on that issue, too.

What Trump has done is talk and tweet a lot. He has told us he's the smartest man in the world, he's the best negotiator, he's the best at getting along with foreign countries, he's the best business man, that everyone loves him, that he saved 1,000 or more jobs from Carrier, that he had the most watched inauguration in history, that the crime rate is the highest its been in 47 years, etc. All of those things, unfortunately, are lies.

So his administration is going along pretty much like his campaign. He talks and tweets a lot, makes claims without regard to reality, and sane people wonder about his mental health. Same ol' Donald. (In the meantime, Bannon and Miller stand to the side of him, smirking, with folded arms, pushing him to do things that are against the law, which "45" doesn't know, and all the while saying "we will not be questioned.")
 
MaggieD said:
If he has done almost nothing, why has the press turned into raving lunatics about everything he doesn't do?

Ridiculously partisan crap.
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Partisan? Either what the article says is true or it isn't. Likely it is, because the only Trump EO to have an actual effect was the travel ban. And it seems correct that Trump has:
a) his supporters thinking he's actually fulfilling his promises when he's only issuing statements,
b) his opponents going spastic about the idea he's doing those things when he's only issuing statements.

Quite a show.

FWIW I see Politico as left leaning, so I take that into account.
 
KevinKohler said:
Words ARE action. Else, everyone wouldn't be going ape**** every time he tweets. If you don't think words are action, yell "BOMB!" Next time you're in a crowded place. Let's us know how that worked out for you.

Also, note to liberals, press, etc...this article does get one thing correct. His EOs are largely...non action...they simply reiterate what we already have had done. For now. We'll see what happens down the road. And that's the key. Just sit back. Relax. Drink a Thom Collins. Chill. For about 6 months. Things will become more defined. Then you can non partisanly sharpen your knives.
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Yes and no. People are emotional creatures, and as such are prone to get excited over crap that is sometimes irrelevant.

Plus, it's one thing to criticize the "liberal press", implying they're not being intellectually honest, but it's being dishonest to not acknowledge the point that most of his EOs have been hollow when his supporters have been making such a big deal about him doing something... when, in fact, he's NOT.

Basically, he's playing his Suckers like a fiddle, and they're doing his dirty work for him, like he has since day one.

If things become more defined at some point, then people can make the legitimate claim he's doing what he promised. Not until then.
 
radcen said:
Yes and no. People are emotional creatures, and as such are prone to get excited over crap that is sometimes irrelevant.

Plus, it's one thing to criticize the "liberal press", implying they're not being intellectually honest, but it's being dishonest to not acknowledge the point that most of his EOs have been hollow when his supporters have been making such a big deal about him doing something... when, in fact, he's NOT.

Basically, he's playing his Suckers like a fiddle, and they're doing his dirty work for him, like he has since day one.

If things become more defined at some point, then people can make the legitimate claim he's doing what he promised. Not until then.
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Rome wasn't built in a day, and what you're basically saying is that it's perfectly fine to criticize someone for failing to build Rome in day. Dudes been president for three weeks. He's made some noise, but in three weeks, what more do you expect? Obama didn't do **** till his second term. Bush had taken his first vacation from the job by this point in his presidency.

I feel you on denouncing some of his supporters claims, that this guy is doing so much. But it's also dishonest to say that words are not action. They most certainly are. Look at what words alone have done to the stock market? What words alone have done for race relations in this country. What words alone have done to some of our international relationships (how bout Japan, lol?).

Words are actions, and they have power. Otherwise, none of us would be on this site.
 
KevinKohler said:
Rome wasn't built in a day, and what you're basically saying is that it's perfectly fine to criticize someone for failing to build Rome in day. Dudes been president for three weeks. He's made some noise, but in three weeks, what more do you expect? Obama didn't do **** till his second term. Bush had taken his first vacation from the job by this point in his presidency.

I feel you on denouncing some of his supporters claims, that this guy is doing so much. But it's also dishonest to say that words are not action. They most certainly are. Look at what words alone have done to the stock market? What words alone have done for race relations in this country. What words alone have done to some of our international relationships (how bout Japan, lol?).

Words are actions, and they have power. Otherwise, none of us would be on this site.
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I'm not so sure the stock market is a good example. Yes, it often rises and falls based on words, but also our recent housing bubble and Great Recession was based on words (read: unsubstantiated excitement and hype), too. The stock market is fickle, and any rise today could easily be erased next week.
 
MaggieD said:
If he has done almost nothing, why has the press turned into raving lunatics about everything he doesn't do?

Ridiculously partisan crap.
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DJT must be doing something good. The kooker left are beside themselves. LMAO
 
MaggieD said:
If he has done almost nothing, why has the press turned into raving lunatics about everything he doesn't do? Ridiculously partisan crap.
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The only ridiculously partisan crap here is your single-minded dismissal of anything and everything potentially negative about Trump. You're also rather missing the points here:

1. The press has certainly reported on all of Trump's spastic behaviors, ignoring established protocol, issuing EOs, attacking judges for doing their job (finding one such EO unconstitutional), and on and on and on. That is what the media is supposed to do: report. That you don't like what is being reported doesn't make them "raving lunatics." (Hence Kobie quoted "raving lunatics" and said "lol". That meant he thought it was laughable hyperbole to call them such).

2. Like Teh Liberals, the media isn't fungible. Politico may say one thing and NYT may say something else.

3. When Politico says Trump hasn't really done anything, they are not being absolutely literal. They are not claiming that Trump locked himself in the bathroom on 1/20/17 and has not come out. They are claiming that Trump hasn't taken anything approaching successful steps towards accomplishing his promises. Hence, the Politico article argues that if you take Trump at face value, you're likely to look at the number of EO's he's signed and concluded that is "doing stuff." But if you actually read the damned things, you find that apart from the travel ban, "almost none of these orders have mandated much action or clear change of current regulations."

President Trump Has Done Almost Nothing - POLITICO Magazine

In other words, he did a whole lot of stuff, but that stuff added up to nothing substantial. Just hot air and loud noises, for his supporters to cheer on. After all, they appear to think annoying the left is government's primary goal.

For example:
DamnYankee said:
DJT must be doing something good. The kooker left are beside themselves.

LMAO
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Say "DERP!" louder. But this time, say it to a mirror and don't post it here.

:doh
 
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Mr Person said:
The only ridiculously partisan crap here is your single-minded dismissal of anything and everything potentially negative about Trump. You're also rather missing the points here:

1. The press has certainly reported on all of Trump's spastic behaviors, ignoring established protocol, issuing EOs, attacking judges for doing their job (finding one such EO unconstitutional), and on and on and on. That is what the media is supposed to do: report. That you don't like what is being reported doesn't make them "raving lunatics." (Hence Kobie quoted "raving lunatics" and said "lol". That meant he thought it was laughable hyperbole to call them such).

2. Like Teh Liberals, the media isn't fungible. Politico may say one thing and NYT may say something else.

3. When Politico says Trump hasn't really done anything, they are not being absolutely literal. They are not claiming that Trump locked himself in the bathroom on 1/20/17 and has not come out. They are claiming that Trump hasn't taken anything approaching successful steps towards accomplishing his promises. Hence, the Politico article argues that if you take Trump at face value, you're likely to look at the number of EO's he's signed and concluded that is "doing stuff." But if you actually read the damned things, you find that apart from the travel ban, "almost none of these orders have mandated much action or clear change of current regulations."

President Trump Has Done Almost Nothing - POLITICO Magazine

In other words, he did a whole lot of stuff, but that stuff added up to nothing substantial. Just hot air and loud noises, for his supporters to cheer on. After all, they appear to think annoying the left is government's primary goal.

For example: Say "DERP!" louder. But this time, say it to a mirror and don't post it here.

:doh
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Bingo!
 
I don't understand (well maybe I do) how Trump thought that he was going to change the country in his first few weeks. Ask any former President what he thought about his ability to get things done, and he'll tell you that getting anything done in the US government takes an act of congress.
 
d0gbreath said:
I don't understand (well maybe I do) how Trump thought that he was going to change the country in his first few weeks. Ask any former President what he thought about his ability to get things done, and he'll tell you that getting anything done in the US government takes an act of congress.
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I believe that Obama honestly and sincerely meant he would close the prison at Guantanamo. They reality slapped him upside the head.
 
he's shaking the tree to see what falls out. that's a good start, if you ask me.
 
radcen said:
I believe that Obama honestly and sincerely meant he would close the prison at Guantanamo. They reality slapped him upside the head.
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At one point he was going to transfer the prisoners to a max security prison in the mid-west. Nobody liked that idea and it was the only idea that he had at the time. I would hope that by now the innocent ones who were turned in for a price by a personal enemy have been released.
 
Mr Person said:
The only ridiculously partisan crap here is your single-minded dismissal of anything and everything potentially negative about Trump. You're also rather missing the points here:

1. The press has certainly reported on all of Trump's spastic behaviors, ignoring established protocol, issuing EOs, attacking judges for doing their job (finding one such EO unconstitutional), and on and on and on. That is what the media is supposed to do: report. That you don't like what is being reported doesn't make them "raving lunatics." (Hence Kobie quoted "raving lunatics" and said "lol". That meant he thought it was laughable hyperbole to call them such).

2. Like Teh Liberals, the media isn't fungible. Politico may say one thing and NYT may say something else.

In other words, he did a whole lot of stuff, but that stuff added up to nothing substantial. Just hot air and loud noises, for his supporters to cheer on. After all, they appear to think annoying the left is government's primary goal.

:doh
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Here is a list of his EOs through January 23rd.

. Three orders establishing three Department of Justice task forces to fight drug cartels, reduce violent crime and reduce attacks against police.

An order directing the Treasury secretary to review the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial regulatory law.

A memorandum instructing the Labor Department to delay implementing an Obama rule requiring financial professionals who are giving advice on retirement, and who charge commissions, to put their client's interests first.

An order instructing agencies that whenever they introduce a regulation, they must first abolish two others.

A memorandum to restructure the National Security Council and the Homeland Security Council.

A memorandum directing the Secretary of Defense to draw up a plan within 30 days to defeat ISIS.

An order to lengthen the ban on administration officials working as lobbyists. There is now a 5 year-ban on officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government, and a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.

An executive order imposing a 120-day suspension of the refugee program and a 90-day ban on travel to the U.S. from citizens of seven terror hot spots: Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Sudan.

Two multi-pronged orders on border security and immigration enforcement including: the authorization of a U.S.-Mexico border wall; the stripping of federal grant money to sanctuary cities; hiring 5,000 more Border Patrol agents; ending “catch-and-release” policies for illegal immigrants; and reinstating local and state immigration enforcement partnerships.

A memorandum calling for a 30-day review of military readiness.

Two orders reviving the Keystone XL pipeline and Dakota Access piplines. He also signed three other related orders that would: expedite the environmental permitting process for infrastructure projects related to the pipelines; direct the Commerce Department to streamline the manufacturing permitting process; and give the Commerce Department 180 days to maximize the use of U.S. steel in the pipeline.

An order to reinstate the so-called "Mexico City Policy" – a ban on federal funds to international groups that perform abortions or lobby to legalize or promote abortion. The policy was instituted in 1984 by President Reagan, but has gone into and out of effect depending on the party in power in the White House.

A notice that the U.S. will begin withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal. Trump called the order "a great thing for the American worker."

An order imposing a hiring freeze for some federal government workers as a way to shrink the size of government. This excludes the military, as Trump noted at the signing.

An order that directs federal agencies to ease the “regulatory burdens” of ObamaCare. It orders agencies to “waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay the implementation of any provision or requirement” of ObamaCare that imposes a “fiscal burden on any State or a cost, fee, tax, penalty, or regulatory burden on individuals, families, healthcare providers, health insurers, patients, recipients of healthcare services, purchasers of health insurance, or makers of medical devices, products, or medications.”
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You may not agree with them. You may not give a **** about even one of them, but he's executed them.

This in ADDITION to meeting with a number of heads of State, contacting dozens more, holding any number of round tables to listen to the American people and titans of industry, meeting with both sides of the aisle trying to promote a unity the Dems will NEVER allow, and doing a better job of communicating the execution of his responsibilities and agenda than any other president in modern history.

So, I repeat. Partisan baloney.
 
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