President Ronald Reagan was for open borders

[pbrauer]

Here he is debating George HW Bush on who can out do the other. This shows how far right has gone when their icon supported open borders.

 

[Ancient Herald]

Yeah. He was also one of the first Presidents to grant amnesty to the illegal immigrants, and most of them did not become citizens of America.

 

[celticwar17]

I think this might be more appropriate in the history section... because I'm not sure how it's relevant right now..

 

[David_N]

Conservative hero!

 

[Chomsky]

He was one of the worse things that ever happened to this country, and I can't believe I was naive enough to vote for him! I then was one of his 'Reagan Democrats'.

He's synonymous with the War on Drugs, and instated trickle-down 'Reaganomics' (which we're still battling'till today).

Need I say more?

 

[joG]

Conservative hero!

You don't think so?

 

[Linc]

I think this might be more appropriate in the history section... because I'm not sure how it's relevant right now..

Since the GOP and Libertarians don't consider immigration relevant right now .

 

[joG]

He was one of the worse things that ever happened to this country, and I can't believe I was naive enough to vote for him! I then was one of his 'Reagan Democrats'.

He's synonymous with the War on Drugs, and instated trickle-down 'Reaganomics' (which we're still battling'till today).

Need I say more?

But for continuing the war on drugs, which I thought crazy at the time, I still think he did okay. He did actually represent the strategy that brought down the Berlin Wall quite robustly and believably. As to trickle down? We still treat the income of the lowest 20 percent rather poorly, while having been able to maintain the level of gdp relatively well in spite of the regulation hindering it.

 

[mak2]

He is not a hero, he is a deity to the RWers. When I was a young Marine I thought he was the **** too. Then they blew up our barracks. **** Reagan.

Conservative hero!

 

[David_N]

He is not a hero, he is a deity to the RWers. When I was a young Marine I thought he was the **** too. Then they blew up our barracks. **** Reagan.

Reagan was a mess.

 

[Crovax]

You don't think so?

I dont think anyone does. Reagan signed the biggest abortion bill pre Roe, started the era of no fault divorce, campaigned for gay teachers with Harvey Milk, and personally lobbied the essential votes to get the AWB passed. In no way could anyone think he was a conservative, let alone a conservative hero.

 

[joG]

He is not a hero, he is a deity to the RWers. When I was a young Marine I thought he was the **** too. Then they blew up our barracks. **** Reagan.

I feel badly about that attack and the people harmed by it. But I was rather startled that the Marines could have let that happen. How could they have let down the guard like that. We knew we were targets of terror and the whole area was even then hardly safe. Do you know what happened?

 

[mak2]

Ronald Reagans rules of engagement. The guys at the gate could not have ammo in their weapon, it had to be in their ammo pouch. At the time I was COG on a Marine Air Base stateside and I had ammo in my weapon. Our ammo pouchs were pains in the ass to get magazines out of at the range, let alone under life and death pressure.

I feel badly about that attack and the people harmed by it. But I was rather startled that the Marines could have let that happen. How could they have let down the guard like that. We knew we were targets of terror and the whole area was even then hardly safe. Do you know what happened?

 

[mak2]

Raegan ****ed us, it cracks me up, in a sad way, listening to the conservobots today talking about ROE today with Obama. Then we never went to war. My CO kept telling me just re up, we are going to war and I want you to go with me. Well the CO retired and I got out. **** Reagan. This pisses me off, I gotta quit talking about it.

Ronald Reagans rules of engagement. The guys at the gate could not have ammo in their weapon, it had to be in their ammo pouch. At the time I was COG on a Marine Air Base stateside and I had ammo in my weapon. Our ammo pouchs were pains in the ass to get magazines out of at the range, let alone under life and death pressure.

 

[joG]

I dont think anyone does. Reagan signed the biggest abortion bill pre Roe, started the era of no fault divorce, campaigned for gay teachers with Harvey Milk, and personally lobbied the essential votes to get the AWB passed. In no way could anyone think he was a conservative, let alone a conservative hero.

Okay. I see that a lot of that has gone quite wrong in the meantime. At the time the sociological experiment in the USA was putting together was widely applauded. I must admit that I used to be rather supportive of gay rights, allowing divorce or legalizing abortion and dope. It is beginning to look as though the experiment is going wrong. But experiments are all about hindsight, learning from the consequences and correcting mistakes. I would still want dope decriminalized.
But wasn't he a union man from California?

On the other hand, he did represent the strategy that finished the Cold War robustly and believably.

 

[joG]

Ronald Reagans rules of engagement. The guys at the gate could not have ammo in their weapon, it had to be in their ammo pouch. At the time I was COG on a Marine Air Base stateside and I had ammo in my weapon. Our ammo pouchs were pains in the ass to get magazines out of at the range, let alone under life and death pressure.

That is interesting. Why were the pouches so impractical? I am surprised that the Marines would issue impractical material.

 

[mak2]

The magazines slid down past the dividers and you always had to work them out. I am sure it probably got lots of guys killed in VN. If I had a magazine in my hand I could reload my M16 in literally a second, before the empty magazine hit the ground I could be firing my next round. It often took 10- 15 seconds to get the ammo out of the pouch. The truck approached the gate at full speed, by the time the gate guard got his ammo into his weapon the truck was way past him.

That is interesting. Why were the pouches so impractical? I am surprised that the Marines would issue impractical material.

 

[Chomsky]

But for continuing the war on drugs, which I thought crazy at the time, I still think he did okay. He did actually represent the strategy that brought down the Berlin Wall quite robustly and believably. As to trickle down? We still treat the income of the lowest 20 percent rather poorly, while having been able to maintain the level of gdp relatively well in spite of the regulation hindering it.

It wasn't a continuation of the War on Drugs - it was a massive expansion leading to property seizures, proving one's innocence through mandatory drug-testing, and the financial monitoring & seizure all Americans are subject to today. Terrible hideous stuff!

As to giving him credit for the fall of the Berlin Wall, I'll respectfully credit that to one of my father's fellow countrymen - a Polish electrician who was instrumental in the then underground Solidarity Union, who through striking & insurrection brought the USSR to the negotiating table the year before the wall fell, thereby freeing Poland and allowing them to hold a free election 6 mos later, where Poland elected him as their first free president since the Russian & German invasion of 1939. After Poland, Hungary and the other dominoes began to fall & a few mos later the wall came down. If anything, Mikhail Gorbachev had more to do with the fall of the wall than Reagan ever did, IMO. But if you'd like to present the case that the Reagan Administration's public denouncements gave impetus to Poland & Hungary, I will have to give some leeway, though I'm not sure how much of that got through the news & communications blackout put in place after the 1981 (re)invasion of Poland.

And the Iran-Contra Affair wasn't exactly a high-point in American leadership, either.

So to be honest, there's really little I have to say good about the guy, and a lot to say against.

I'm sorry I squandered my vote on him.

 

[joG]

It wasn't a continuation of the War on Drugs - it was a massive expansion leading to property seizures, proving one's innocence through mandatory drug-testing, and the financial monitoring & seizure all Americans are subject to today. Terrible hideous stuff!

As to giving him credit for the fall of the Berlin Wall, I'll respectfully credit that to one of my father's fellow countrymen - a Polish electrician who was instrumental in the then underground Solidarity Union, who through striking & insurrection brought the USSR to the negotiating table the year before the wall fell, thereby freeing Poland and allowing them to hold a free election 6 mos later, where Poland elected him as their first free president since the Russian & German invasion of 1939. After Poland, Hungary and the other dominoes began to fall & a few mos later the wall came down. If anything, Mikhail Gorbachev had more to do with the fall of the wall than Reagan ever did, IMO. But if you'd like to present the case that the Reagan Administration's public denouncements gave impetus to Poland & Hungary, I will have to give some leeway, though I'm not sure how much of that got through the news & communications blackout put in place after the 1981 (re)invasion of Poland.

And the Iran-Contra Affair wasn't exactly a high-point in American leadership, either.

So to be honest, there's really little I have to say good about the guy, and a lot to say against.

I'm sorry I squandered my vote on him.

I guess it is partially a question of how you weight things like the Iran-Contra or drug related laws. The other is how one assesses external policy impacts on societies of the Warsaw Pact. Certainly the Polish union man or the people in government in Hungary took risks as did the Dresden demonstrators with candles. On the other hand the people were poor, the Soviet Union had run out of money and had no realistic way of supporting the rulers of their satallites as they could in previous revolts. It was the out spending that forced the soviets to overspend that had brought societies of the East down to the level of Third World lifestyles that crippled the power structures. Saying it was the Polish worker that brought down the political system is like thinking it was Mohamed Bouazizi that started the Arab Spring. Sure he was the spark and deserves his due. But it was the tinder poorly kept that blew up. And in the Cold War it had been the US that prevented Gorbachev's predecessors from keeping the house clean.

 

[Divergent]

Here he is debating George HW Bush on who can out do the other. This shows how far right has gone when their icon supported open borders.

The Right Wing doesn't like Reagan.............They like the FINANCIAL ADVISORS that took over for him when he became ill and couldn't speak for himself...

Reagan actually stood for many of the Left Wing policies of today.

His "reign" drove up the national DEFICIT which most Conservatives would hate, just not the ones that don't know the difference between deficit and debt. Reagan wanted regulation of Assault Rifles.

Some people just repeat like parrot what their Party propaganda tells them to repeat like parrots. They don't actually know or remember politics even from last week sometimes.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Here he is debating George HW Bush on who can out do the other. This shows how far right has gone when their icon supported open borders.

The world has changed a hell of a lot in the last 35 years.

 

[reinoe]

Reagan is the only president in the past 35 years to openly advocate for Amnesty. Then he followed that up by instituting economic policies that would rob an entire generation of their opportunities.