MaggieD
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You forgot:
You also omitted this:
And, you forgot this:
And, of course - there is the legality issue that you forgot to post as well:
Giving Bush credit for ending the war in Iraq, is a lot like giving Churchill, credit for dropping Fat Man on Hiroshima.
In 1959, according to a Gallup Poll, most Americans believed that Racial Segregation in Public Schools was better than the Supreme Courts decision in 1954, to make such segregation illegal.
Did the report ever talk about the fact that the Surge came AFTER President Bush essentially abandoned the mission that HE began in Afghanistan, allowing the insurgents to regain strength, while the President relegated his duty as Commander In Chief, by illegally invading Iraq, in his question for Iraq Oil fields and the establishment of unlawful PSA Contracts for Foreign Nationals?
The answer is: No.
So, the question that begs to be asked is, what would have happened, if President Bush, had followed through with his commitment to the United States Troops who remained behind in Afghanistan, to essentially fight a war that was unwindable given the support from the Commander In Chief himself, George W. "AWOL From the TANG" Bush?
Offering "report cards" without offering background on the teacher, the school, or the fact that the school was too poor to pay for its own text books - is "hardly much of a rebuttal."
Many of the "accomplishment" on that list I see as failures.
Examples:
- The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act
- Prevented Economic Depression and put a floor under very weak economy (this is blatantly false)
- Instantiated TARP II and Prevented a Core Financial Institution Meltdown
- Prevented the U.S. Auto Industry from Collapsing and Forced its Restructuring
- Signed the Mathew Sheppard Hate Crimes Act, Senate S.909
- Signed Financial Regulatory Reform
- Ending the War in Afghanistan (he could've ended it years ago)
The facts matter. It was time a for a post like this.
Sure, if you consider getting an $800 billion stimulus bill through Congress nothing. Or saving GM and Chrysler. Or winding down the war in Iraq. Or implementing a surge in Afghanistan. Or negotiating trade deals. :roll:
Is there not one human being alive, willing to debate the merits of the OP?
Because, if the opponents to Barack Obama, can't handle this little post of hard facts about what this man has actually done as President between 2008 and 2012, then how on earth are you expecting to make the case that this Presidents entire Presidency is a failure?
The OP outlines his accomplishments AND it outlines the REASONS why Obama, has earned a second term. Yet, all I hear from Republicans is that Obama's entire Presidency is a complete and utter failure - backed-up with no evidence that proves their claims.
Sure, if you consider getting an $800 billion stimulus bill through Congress nothing. Or saving GM and Chrysler. Or winding down the war in Iraq. Or implementing a surge in Afghanistan. Or negotiating trade deals. :roll:
How about you post some "facts" about those accomplishment?
Obama only carried out existing policies concerning Afghanistan, Iraq and UBL.
The HIRE Act is a friggin joke. It doesn't give "tax cuts" to small businesses. It's amazing how people actuly believe that.
WASHINGTON — Two new tax benefits are now available to employers hiring workers who were previously unemployed or only working part time. These provisions are part of the Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment (HIRE) Act enacted into law today.
Employers who hire unemployed workers this year (after Feb. 3, 2010 and before Jan. 1, 2011) may qualify for a 6.2-percent payroll tax incentive, in effect exempting them from their share of Social Security taxes on wages paid to these workers after March 18, 2010. This reduced tax withholding will have no effect on the employee’s future Social Security benefits, and employers would still need to withhold the employee’s 6.2-percent share of Social Security taxes, as well as income taxes. The employer and employee’s shares of Medicare taxes would also still apply to these wages.
The Stealfromus, UAW bailouts, the hate crimes bill and Obamacare? Really? :rofl
Did you just ask for a "fact" to back-up a known "fact?"
Who do you think you are kidding? Are you telling me that you don't know how to read for yourself? Are you saying that you can't read for yourself? Can you post a stated fact from the OP, where you feel you need more information?
For example:
Where I state that President Obama, cleaned-up the repayment and monitoring process of TARP-I and created TARP-II, where the direct result was the stabilization of the Financial Markets, while requiring that Banks repay the Government Loans with interest.
If you can somehow take that and demonstrate WHERE you need evidence of the facts, I would very much appreciate it.
That's False.
Unfortunately, you are wrong. It should be common knowledge that President Obama, created a different plan for dealing with Afghanistan, after President Bush, had abandoned the mission in Afghanistan, leaving our Troops under-supported for the mission at hand. Al-Qaeda grew in strength while President Bush, launched his illegal war in Iraq, and the Taliban emerged in greater numbers during the same time.
I think you are delusional. Your blatant and willful disregard for the facts and history, is so obvious that a response to this muse you offer is not even warranted.
Two New Tax Benefits Aid Employers Who Hire and Retain Unemployed Workers
Where's the rebuttal? You've said and done absolutely zilch, other than prove yourself to be absent any facts at all. Cut names like "stealfromus" don't change history, nor do they change the facts. I told you that before you made this ridiculous post, so you should know better than to come in here with something as weak as this, pretending to be rebutting on the merits.
You've been proven wrong and you have been given the facts that demonstrate your errors above.
Now, what do you do? More cute names without substance in rebuttal? That would pretty much match perfectly with what Republicans have offered the People of this country for the past 14 years. Cute names for things (Shock and Awe) and no real solutions that do anything but put this country further behind the eight-ball.
This Economy was trashed principally because the Republicans in charge ignored all things domestic and favored going to war in Iraq for Oil. For eight (8) years, you neglected this nation's economy, you have never taken responsibility for your actions and you now want the voting public to let you back into the White House, so you can do the same thing again? Is that the plan - is that the ONLY plan the Republicans can come up with?
Post something of substance, please.
You read like a 4 year old child and you never rebut anything having been said. When you pull yourself out of the strong delusion that you now suffer from, come back to the thread and post something worthwhile. But, don't expect another reply from me if you can't even get real long enough to deal with the matter in substance and on the merits.
Post some links that prove me wrong then, if I'm so dillusional.
I'm especially excited to see all those, "tax cuts", that the HIRE Act provides for.
The HIRE Act is a friggin joke. It doesn't give "tax cuts" to small businesses. It's amazing how people actuly believe that.
-------------------WASHINGTON — Two new tax benefits are now available to employers hiring workers who were previously unemployed or only working part time. These provisions are part of the Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment (HIRE) Act enacted into law today.
Employers who hire unemployed workers this year (after Feb. 3, 2010 and before Jan. 1, 2011) may qualify for a 6.2-percent payroll tax incentive, in effect exempting them from their share of Social Security taxes on wages paid to these workers after March 18, 2010. This reduced tax withholding will have no effect on the employee’s future Social Security benefits, and employers would still need to withhold the employee’s 6.2-percent share of Social Security taxes, as well as income taxes. The employer and employee’s shares of Medicare taxes would also still apply to these wages.
It was something; a gigantic waste of tax payer money.
Sesame Street got one million bucks of poorkulus money that created 1.4 jobs.
Sesame Street Media earns over $17 million a year. What the hell did they get a million dollars of tax payer cash for??
Your biggest problem is your lack of education. You walk the earth completely ignorant of the things that you NEED to know something about BEFORE blowing off reality in favor of some make-believe alternate reality.
think you are delusional. Your blatant and willful disregard for the facts and history, is so obvious that a response to this muse you offer is not even warranted.
Why Your Reply Is Dead Wrong.
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Educating you guys is both fun and very sad, at the same time.
You were given an education (through my reply to MaggieD) on WHY Obamacare was so important to the country, not just from a Health Care standpoint, but from an economic survival standpoint, yet you never mentioned it. You were given a source for the information contained in my post, yet you pretend that it does not exist.
You don't really want to debate on the merits, because you know the facts don't align with your constant lies about what the President has actually done with his Presidency. His accomplishments don't go away merely because you want them to!
You've been lied to for four (4) years by hyper-partisan Republican Political Hacks in the Hill and that sound bite has been blasted into your ear through Faux Newz, for the same amount of time each and every night when you "tune-in" to watch and "tune-out" of reality. So, when a thread like this one comes along, you really fall into a state of total shock.
It literally shocks you to know that this President actually has some accomplishment under his belt, under an extremely difficult economy and near total opposition from those in Congress who told you that their ONLY agenda over the four years of the President's first term, was to See Him Fail. Under all that opposition, this man was still one of the most successful President's of the Modern Era, given the circumstances he found in office upon his arrival.
Those are facts etched in history - regardless of how under-reported those facts have been in the Mainstream Media.
Were you this angry when Obama was doing well, or is this a manifestation of the frustration resulting from his debate performance (the quality of which was in line with his record of governing, I might add)?
Cause it seems the bubble bursting on Obama's omnipotent benevolence seems to have made a lot of his supporters particularly angry in the last week or so.
But I get it. people don't like to have their perceptions shattered.
Cause Obama is brave enought to stand up for Big Bird?
Well, I know enough to know that a tax "cut" and a tax "break" are two different things and that spending $30,000 to save $3,000 is a really stupid idea.
Would you spend 30 g's, that you didn't need to spend, just so you could get a $3,000 dollar tax credit?
Why do some people insist on propagating the outright lie that Obama gave small businesses a tax cut?
The scary part, is that the people that are pushing lies are the same ones that claim to be smarter and better educated than those of us in the unwashed masses.
If it's "smart" to spend 30 grand just to save 3 grand, then I'll gladly stay ignorant. :rofl
LOL! You get facts posted in a thread about the real record of this President, and all of a sudden the OP is "angry."
That was hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!
Is that a rebuttal to anything posted? Or, is it the fifth non-sequitur reply offered up by those who have no rebuttal in reply?
Did you not read the OP? I told you why I made this post in the opening paragraph. I know you can read, CJ. I'm just not sure that you like what you read, that's all.Words have meaning and facts do matter, CJ. Like it or not, his record won't go away. It might get woefully under-reported by the MSM, but it won't change the facts written on the very first page of this thread.
Find a SINGLE statement about this President's achievement while in office over the last four (4) years that I have posted in error, provide the evidence for why you believe it to be in error and I will print a retraction. I've already said that once before, this makes it twice. I've also said this, if you CANNOT destroy the first page of this thread, then you also CANNOT logically conclude this man's presidency to be a failure.
That means, you MUST destroy this first page of this thread with FACTS that prove to the contrary, in order for ANY of the statements that the Republicans on the Hill have been making for four (4) years to be true.
I'm simply using logic to demonstrate the ridiculous nature of the absurd claim that somehow, this man's Presidency is a failure in anyway, shape or form. Now, prove those facts to be in error.
Which is exactly why you pretend that the accomplishments of this President don't exist, even when they are easily researched and written in plain English on Post #1 inside this thread.
You have not even bothered to address a single fact or accomplishment - yet you consider yourself as actually having "replied" to the premise of the original post.
Like I said, this behavior is both sad and funny, at the same time.
Hey, wait a second!!Would you not take advantage of a 250 g's worth of accelerated depreciation? Or, are you too "smart" to know the difference? These are the reasons WHY this President is accomplished. The facts matter and the truth cannot be hidden forever.
Hey, wait a second!!
Isn't "accelerated depreciation" what you guys also refer to a "subsidies for big oil"? I thought that was some evil "Republican" thing?
Links? Source? Billions in "subsidies"? Really want to go there?Subsides for big oil...you know that tune in the number starting with B vs a 250,000 credit for small business-You know those things "republicans" pretend to care about.
That pretty much sums it up. Although I will add that some Dems crossed the aisle on many of the votes.
And the public is buying it
RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Romney vs. Obama
With all those great accomplishments of Obama and with an adoring press why hasn't Obama been able to sell a positive message to the American electorate?
Think any of those so called accomplishments trump the high unemployment/under employment/discouraged workers, 1.3% GDP growth, 5.6 trillion added to the debt, 48 million on food stamps, a disastrous foreign policy that has our embassies under attack and an Ambassador dead?
Not sure where you get your information but for some reason you have a lot of passion invested in Obama and the question is why? What is it about Obama that deserves your kind of support?
My understanding is that he is the Messiah, here to heal the planet and right injustice. Like Superman, but better.
My understanding is that he is the Messiah, here to heal the planet and right injustice. Like Superman, but better.
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