President Obama's own words call him a liar.

[gmeyers1944]

Watch President Obama call himself a liar.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk"]YouTube - SHOCK UNCOVERED: Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance[/ame]

 

[Councilman]

This is the best compilation of this video evidence so far. Obama is the king liar of all time. He can be shown to be a liar and he never misses a beat and just makes another promise he knows he can't or has no intention of delivering.

The thing is the Dims (no spell error) see this and still they cling to the fantasy that Obama is some how the most brilliant person in history since Mohammad.
We all know this is not true because he has no accomplishments to point to in his whole life past his talent for lies and self promotion. He's done not one damn thing since taking office except sow the seeds of destruction of our Nation not only with his own radical views but he has appointed Socialists/Communists and radicals who exposed themselves as Obama has over and over again and still the Dims continue to worship him.
These Dims want a revolution but they should be careful what they wish for because history tells us the in the end no one wins in the aftermath of Socialist/Communist failure which always comes in time.
I say stop being Dim and come into the light, read American History starting with the Declaration Of Independence and the Constitution. It's not too late to redeem yourself and become a patriotic American with the values that made this the greatest Nation of earth that Obama wants to destroy. He said change but we can see now what he really meant.

 

[factorial]

Hm. I don't see the "lies" here.

Obama says he'd like to see single-payer system, but that it will take decades to get there. He only gets 8 years in office, max. All I hear is the man expressing long-term hopes, which he knows he has no way of accomplishing in any way, even with a public option. Then we see other politicians saying that a public option is a good way to get the ball rolling toward single-payer. All of that just sounds like truth to me: a public option is not single-payer; it is, however, closer than what we have now (as those in the video admit). What's so nefarious about these things?

He's done not one damn thing since taking office except sow the seeds of destruction of our Nation

That's an exaggeration. A small amount of research yields 13 pieces of major legislation signed into law this year, among them many bills which have encouraged the economic recovery we are now beginning to see.

Also, the healthcare discussions Congress & we are having right now, despite our likely disagreements on the solution, inarguably have come about from the President's agenda.

These Dims want a revolution but they should be careful what they wish for because history tells us the in the end no one wins in the aftermath of Socialist/Communist failure which always comes in time.
I say stop being Dim and come into the light, read American History starting with the Declaration Of Independence and the Constitution.

I assure you, no country has ever fallen into decline because its government tried to institute equal healthcare for all. To compare socialized medicine to communism is inflamatory and misinformed.

And here's a familiar quote from one of the documents you refer to:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

I find it hard to imagine neither life, liberty, nor happiness without being able to be as healthy as the "equal" man next to me who happens to have more money.

 

[the makeout hobo]

The thing is the Dims (no spell error) see this and still they cling to the fantasy that Obama is some how the most brilliant person in history since Mohammad.

Why the conflation with Mohammad? Most Democrats I know could care less about Mohammad either way. Unless you mean the guy who runs 7-11. He makes slurpees. Good guy.

 

[Telecaster]

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I find it hard to imagine neither life, liberty, nor happiness without being able to be as healthy as the "equal" man next to me who happens to have more money.

At what point is your selfishness alleviated, and your satisfaction achieved?

You realize at some point your health and life will fall short of some others regardless of the amount of health services the federal government affords you?

And what is your plan if Bill Gates goes out beyond the public plan and buys himself a healthier body than your government is willing to give you? Will your civil rights have been deprived?

 

[factorial]

At what point is your selfishness alleviated, and your satisfaction achieved?

You realize at some point your health and life will fall short of some others regardless of the amount of health services the federal government affords you?

And what is your plan if Bill Gates goes out beyond the public plan and buys himself a healthier body than your government is willing to give you? Will your civil rights have been deprived?

I might have been unclear; I didn't mean to suggest that it's government's job to grant everyone equal health. I simply believe that you and I have the same right to healthcare as those with more money than we have.

Do you really think you can judge someone to be a selfish person after reading one post of theirs on an internet forum? Rethink that one. Share your opinions and I will be willing to listen without personal judgment, and perhaps learn something. I'd appreciate the same attitude from others.

 

[Telecaster]

I might have been unclear; I didn't mean to suggest that it's government's job to grant everyone equal health. I simply believe that you and I have the same right to healthcare as those with more money than we have.

Do you really think you can judge someone to be a selfish person after reading one post of theirs on an internet forum? Rethink that one. Share your opinions and I will be willing to listen without personal judgment, and perhaps learn something. I'd appreciate the same attitude from others.

And my post could stand a slight re-write as well. I meant the first sentence to be a general statement, not specific to you. I should have said;
"At what point should our self-interests be alleviated, and our satisfaction achieved?"
My use of the word "selfishness" was not meant to be that of greed.

I now acknowledge that you meant everyone has the right to opportunity of care. But in the society we live in this is not fully possible. Those who make enough income will always be able to purchase extra private care. Except with the kind of plans Congress is offering fewer middle and upper class people will be able to seek such options. And it will of course cost more for those who can still afford it.

The only way to provide true equality of opportunity is for the federal government to sieze all facets of healthcare. This means outlawing private sources, and setting absolute regulations and limitations. But then all of the fear stories from the Right will become reality, and the federal budgets will eventually drown in debt.

 

[Objective Voice]

I now acknowledge that you meant everyone has the right to opportunity of care. But in the society we live in this is not fully possible. Those who make enough income will always be able to purchase extra private care. Except with the kind of plans Congress is offering fewer middle and upper class people will be able to seek such options. And it will of course cost more for those who can still afford it.

The only way to provide true equality of opportunity is for the federal government to sieze all facets of healthcare. This means outlawing private sources, and setting absolute regulations and limitations. But then all of the fear stories from the Right will become reality, and the federal budgets will eventually drown in debt.

I don't see this latest version of the House health care reform legistlation that way at all. Granted, the poor and working-poor will all see more opportunities to get health care because the standards have been "lowered" by "raising" the federal poverty level, by raising the minor-uninsured child age limit from 21 to 27, and by eliminating CHIP and merging those who would otherwise receive this entitlement into Medicaid, but everyone who currently receives their health insurance through their employer will continue to (have that choice to) do so. No one would be forced to switch providers. If anything, people would be given more choices to obtain affordable health care either through:

1. their employer.
2. the Health Insurance Exchange (or HIE) (whether at the national or state-level).
3. the public option (which as I understand it is different from the HIE).
4. their own health savings accounts or similar programs.
5. non-profit Co-Ops.

So, if you add them up that's 8 different ways individuals and/or families can obtain affordable health insurance. And let's not forget that the government will provide credits to those individuals/families who can't afford to buy insurance on their own. As for the upper crust, when was the last time you actually heard the rich claim that they could not afford adequate health insurance/health care? I took a step back from this issue nearly a month ago and really started paying attention to those who have complained about the health care debate, and what I've observed is that it's not the rich who are speaking out against this. Rather, it's been my observation that it's been politicians and average, middle-class Americans in opposition to health care reform who have spoken the loudest against health care reform. The so-called "rich" from what I've observed are very willing to pay their fair share towards health care (reform). So, from where I stand based on what I've read of the proposed legistlation there's no excuse for anyone not to have health insurance if this legistlation is passed. The only people who should ever worry about paying a fine or being thrown in jail are those who can afford health care but are foolishly and stubbornly opposed to doing so for their own stupid pride and/or political beliefs. Sorry, but that's just how I see it.

 

[Pinjas]

It's true, politicians lie a lot. If this needs to be proven to someone with this much effort than it probably isn't going to work out for the viewer.

What is the problem? This nation, the USA, is a republic, who has people elected by a democratic system, this means that the people put others in power, and the people in power are to act accordingly with great limitation. When a person can honestly say they are aware of bribery and lobbyists in DC, has democracy failed? When a person can honestly say that politicians are liars and corrupt, has democracy failed? When a person can honestly state that a political incumbent gets re-elected 98% of the time, has democracy failed?

-ABSOLUTELY-. The problem isn't bush, cheney, obama, biden or any other individual we can name. The problem is our politically elected as a whole and who they represent. Do you believe they represent the people? Can the system even be suggested as how it was ment to be? How many men and women live as they were meant to live?

There is a tremendous problem in this country, the task of fixing it is a viable one indeed. I hope that those who come across this message read it and feel a small bit of strength come to their lives in knowing that someone out there gives a sh1t.

If you aren't aware, it has occured many times through out history, when gun control comes in, citizens get killed. Look into turkey, china, russia, and germany over the past 100 years. They all died because they failed to defend themselves and practice a basic and essential idea, keeping and practicing arms.

 

[the makeout hobo]

It's true, politicians lie a lot. If this needs to be proven to someone with this much effort than it probably isn't going to work out for the viewer.

What is the problem? This nation, the USA, is a republic, who has people elected by a democratic system, this means that the people put others in power, and the people in power are to act accordingly with great limitation. When a person can honestly say they are aware of bribery and lobbyists in DC, has democracy failed? When a person can honestly say that politicians are liars and corrupt, has democracy failed? When a person can honestly state that a political incumbent gets re-elected 98% of the time, has democracy failed?

-ABSOLUTELY-. The problem isn't bush, cheney, obama, biden or any other individual we can name. The problem is our politically elected as a whole and who they represent. Do you believe they represent the people? Can the system even be suggested as how it was ment to be? How many men and women live as they were meant to live?

There is a tremendous problem in this country, the task of fixing it is a viable one indeed. I hope that those who come across this message read it and feel a small bit of strength come to their lives in knowing that someone out there gives a sh1t.

If you aren't aware, it has occured many times through out history, when gun control comes in, citizens get killed. Look into turkey, china, russia, and germany over the past 100 years. They all died because they failed to defend themselves and practice a basic and essential idea, keeping and practicing arms.

Our crime rate is lower than it's been for a while. There's been no particular push to disarm the citizenry. We need to focus on other deep, integral problems. We need to figure out a way to remove money from its position of power in politics. If a politician doesn't have to worry about where he got his election money from or where he will get it from, he'll be a better representative of the people who elected him.

 

[misterman]

Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance

Wrong. He says nothing of the sort.

Just read the bills in Congress. They are all that matter.