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President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

IF we had reason for a greater expectation that actual democracies might arise from the revolts taking place in Libya, then I would agree that support for them would make sense. In this day and age, fundamental Islam is on the rise. Fundamentalist will seize control of the revolutions as the Bolsheviks seized the Russian revolution in 1917.

Besides, how can a 12th century tribal Arabic culture be compatible with modern democracy? Anyone

Islam exclusionism is not compatible with the human rights and tolerance inherent in a democratic society.
 
today: nato threatens to bomb the rebels


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/01/world/africa/01civilians.html?_r=3&src=twrhp
 
I'll go one further...

Don't we want to know who the rebels really are? The argument continues to be "we don't know who these people are? Are they Libyan nationals or are they remnants of Al-Quaida mixing in with the fighters? We just don't know." Well, with CIA boots on the ground, we should know rather quickly exactly who we're dealing with among the rebels - friend or foe.

More to the point: You're either going to believe what "their" media and/or people are telling us OR you're going to believe what OUR operatives feedback what they learn from their intelligence gathering.
 
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Libya certainly looks to be unraveling at the moment.
 
I'm more pissed that this got leaked while operations are presumable still going on.
 

No ****. We are not idealistic liberators. It would be one thing if there were the case. Stupid and still wrong, as well as arrogant, but something different. Instead, we pick and choose and too often don't really make things better.
 
In some cases it's worth the risk.

North Korea is one of those.

What made it worth the risk? Just asking to see your opinion. . . .:coffeepap
 

Alittle clarity goes a LONG way.

WE didn't start the uprisings throughout the Middle-East and North Africa. Their people did this. They finally got tired of being oppressed and did EXACTLY what those on the Conservative side of the political divide have been saying IS an American fundamental right - for a nation's citizens to take up arms against an oppressive government to defend themselves against aggression. Frankly, I wonder how ANYONE can disagree with any nation rendering aid to a nation's countrymen who are doing the EXACT same thing WE, as a nation, wouldn't do for ourselves if our government were treating its citizens in the EXACT SAME OPPRESSIVE MANNER! I mean, this IS a basic tennent of Conservatism! How can a Conservative be against this? IT'S ABSURD to see Conservatives think otherwise because what you're really saying is, "It's okay for Americans, but it's not okay for the rest of the world to exercise this pretective measure against oppression." How hypocritical of you.

Still, I'll tone it down just a notch and say while I disagree with any U.S. President to unilaterally take his country into war, I have no problem with a U.S. President using his judgement to render aid to a country that is fighting for its freedom against aggression and oppression AS LONG AS he/she can do so in a way that brings about the least amoung of loss of life to Americans and over-use of our resources (military and military hardware). To that, I think President Obama has done the right thing here and he's doing it in a way the puts few of our assets in harms way but is getting the maximum positive gains from it.

Qadaffi's finances are drying up if not toally frozen.

Some of his closing government officials are either fighting on the side of the rebels or have defected (2).

Most of him military resources (planes, tanks, surface-to-air missile launchers, etc) have been destroyed. Libya's military is now forced to fight in the streets among civilian populations to insulate themselves against U.N./NATO offensive attacks. Yes, Qaddafi's forces still have some fight in them, but they haven't been able to gain as much ground as is being reported. Watch Al-Jezzara on Link-TV; it tells a completely different story than what's being reported in U.S. media circles.

Unless NATO forces make a big blunder, I don't think Qadaffi has much time left.
 
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I'm more pissed that this got leaked while operations are presumable still going on.

Yeah, that gets on my *(#@# nerves, too. Wish the media (and some government officials) would learn the Navy motto, "LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS!", and learn to keep the #@## damned mouths shut! Not every piece of "news" need be reported.
 

Turns out the rebels are selling the oil for weapons. So much for Qadaffi's plan to nationalize the oil and give most the profits to citizens.

Libyan opposition sets conditions for cease-fire - USATODAY.com
 
Must not be so "secret" if we're chatting about it. Probably more disinformation.
 

The problem there wasn't that we trained them. It was that we ARMED them. The rebel forces in Libya have picked up various weapons found on the battle field, but many fighters don't know how to use them nor how to implement combat strategies. I have no problem with CIA operatives teaching them how to use the weapons they find or how to implement combat strategies, i.e., how to flank the enemy or use the terran to your advantage. But I WOULD NOT arm them with American weapons. We should have learned that lesson from the Soviet/Afghan war in how that came back to bite us in the butt in our own war over there.
 
It was secret until it was leaked to the press.

There are much fewer secrets today. We all need to get used to that, and act accordingly.
 
[video]http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-31-2011/america-at-not-war---libyan-rebel-forces[/video]

damn I don't know how to embed a daily show vid.
 
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There are much fewer secrets today. We all need to get used to that, and act accordingly.

Once again I agree with you Boo.

It would have been better if this info had not been revealed.

I wonder what would happen if Bush had said no boots on the ground and it later turned out that was not true?

Anyone on CNN, ABC, SeeBS, MSNBC or any other lefty calling 0bama a liar today?
 

Look, Obama couldn't wait to tell us, "No boots on the ground." Why did he even say it? Of course we knew there'd be boots on the ground -for all the reasons you mention. So why lie?? He could have just said.....nothing.
 
Look, Obama couldn't wait to tell us, "No boots on the ground." Why did he even say it? Of course we knew there'd be boots on the ground -for all the reasons you mention. So why lie?? He could have just said.....nothing.

0bama was trying to protect the lives of the CIA guys on the ground IMO. I don't fault him for not telling us.

IMO his "no boots on the ground" comment was about US combat troops. I don't believe 0bama lied.

Others may disagree.
 
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