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That would be ideal, if the locals could be trusted.
You're delusional if you think that.Just giving you a taste of your own medicine
1. Irrelevant to this argument.Remember, you were the guy saying that Zimmerman's wife had done nothing illegal, which turned out to be completely wrong, so you have a history of jumping to conclusions. Not surprised that you're doing it again here.
At this point we have to let them do their job and we'll see.
:dohDon't have a choice, right? Just read an NYT article about the long time dark practice of "rough riding" suspects to the station.
Gawd, why do people constantly not pay attention?:doh
Again:
Batts said another man who was in the van during the tail end of Gray's ride told investigators that Gray was "was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises" up until the van arrived at the station. Batts said the man also said the driver did not speed, make sudden stops of "drive erratically."
Freddie Gray death: Baltimore police prisoner transport under scrutiny - World - CBC News
You do realize that evidence makes the above "rough riding" supposition irrelevant, as the van was operated normally.
You're delusional if you think that.
1. Irrelevant to this argument.
2. Wrong. Her not fighting the bogus set up does not mean I was wrong. Funny that you do not know that.
3. So your further claims are as irrelevant as they are wrong.
There is no reason why we shouldn't.I
Not sure why we should believe either the police or the other man is this case.
Put the relevant information together.
He was thrashing around in the back of the van which did not speed, make sudden stops or was driven erratically.
He did this thrashing for the supposed five minutes the other arrestee was in the van.
This thrashing stopped just before they arrived at their destination.
That would indicate that he fatally injured himself at that point in time. Not from or during his resisting arrest.
Which would indicate that it was not caused by the arresting Officers.
No that would be you again as you are wrong as usual.ROFL unbelievable you don't know when to throw in the towel man! .
Not. But you have none.You lose all credibility.
Yes it is irrelevant.And no, it isn't irrelevant,
Oy vey! :dohpoint to a single post on this forum in which you say that a police officer was wrong about anything from something they said to a person they killed. Anything.
Not the same opinion and not jumping to conclusions.My opinion is wrong yet my opinion is that I will wait for the investigation before making up my mind rather than jumping to conclusions?
Of course, you constantly demonstrate this inability.I don't understand that.
All you are doing is speaking nonsense here, and demonstrating an inability to differentiate.Anybody who says they know what happened is wrong and anybody who says they don't know is right. Anything else is speculation, which is perfectly valid unless presented as fact.
:dohI'm just quoting this again because you just posted a video that very explicitly contradicts the account you're proposing here. There couldn't have been "just a little banging" and at the same time constant thrashing. The evidence seems to suggest that he was on the floor of the van with his body hitting the sides when it turned, sped up or stopped. That's all it seems to suggest, not a thing about Mr. Gray trying or not trying to hurt himself. There is no decisive conclusion we can reach from the available evidence.
No.The evidence seems to suggest that he was on the floor of the van with his body hitting the sides when it turned, sped up or stopped.
:doh
Apparently you do not understand that when information changes you roll with the changes.
But lets delve into this.
We know what the police tolsd us and what was leaked. No one would expect he would say the same publicly given the charged atmosphere.
So what will matter is what he will say under oath.
So let's say this is the accurate version. And?
He heard a little banging, and toldpolicehomicide he heard him bang his head.
That hasn't significantly changed anything.
He was still alive and banging before they got to the station.
Or do you somehow think different?
No.
You are making things up.
The other release made it clear he was making noise "up until" the van reached it's destination. Which is when the noise stopped.
So no, he would have only been on the floor from that point forward.
I
Not sure why we should believe either the police or the other man is this case.
In other words, you made up a story and are going to change it, and the facts, as they come in but no matter what come to the conclusion that Gray is entirely at fault and the police are always right.
You've been here since July 2010 and don't yet realize that is Excon's (and many others on here) mode of operation?
Still too much we don't know
That is a profoundly ignorant thing to say.In other words, you made up a story and are going to change it, and the facts, as they come in but no matter what come to the conclusion that Gray is entirely at fault and the police are always right.
Actually no. He did not clearly say. He insinuates that he didn't.By the way, the above article quotes the man who was in the van with Freddie for 5 minutes of a 40 minutes ride and he clearly says he made no insinuations that he thought Freddie was trying to harm himself.
And you are wrong. We have the information about what he said.and he clearly says he made no insinuations that he thought Freddie was trying to harm himself. Anybody who comes to that conclusion is doing so because they hope that it is true.
Bs. You have taken sides just as others have.I don't claim to know what happened but at least I know that I don't know and that's a lot better than what some people here are saying.
:dohActually the man has been reinterviewed and has said that the affidavit misrepresents what he said. He didn't intend on "like he was banging his head," to imply intent to bang his head, but simply the same way someone describing a car accident my say "he banged his head on the steering wheel." IE without commenting on intent. If the ride was a "rough ride" as indicated, the would hear someone being banged around during the rough ride.
1. Shame on you for speaking about others.You've been here since July 2010 and don't yet realize that is Excon's (and many others on here) mode of operation?
:dohOh, please, get over yourself, you've made such fool of yourself in this thread, it's really become pathetic. Bless your wee teensy tiny heart.
That is a profoundly ignorant thing to say.
Do you know why people are no longer saying the arresting Officers injured him? That is becasue the information has changed.
We have been given the information. The arguments are based on that information.
Your failure to understand that is your problem.
Just like in the following.
Actually no. He did not clearly say. He insinuates that he didn't.
At no point in the below quote did he make any declarative statement about what he said.
Whether he was being deceitful at this point remains to be seen, but the manner in which he said the above is a way of being deceitful without actually lying.“And they trying to make it seem like I told them that, I made it like Freddie Gray did that to hisself (sic),” Allen said. “Why the [expletive] would he do that to hisself (sic)?”
And he already stated the reason he is doing this is because of fear.
And you are wrong. We have the information about what he said.“I had two options today right, either come and talk to y’all and get my credibility straight with ya’ll and not get killed by these [expletive] or not tell a true story,” Allen added. “The only reason I’m doing this is because they put my name in a bad state.”
It was confirmed to be contained on an affidavit for a search warrant. That is a conclusion that was provided to us from the mouth of an ear witness.
Not becasue people "hope" it to be true.
Reality.
What we have is conflicting information.
Either the Police are lying about he said, or he is.
As his statement was taken at the very beginning prior to any uprising there doesn't appear to be any reason for either party to have lied at that point.
Does reason exist now? Yes it does.
I'm just quoting this again because you just posted a video that very explicitly contradicts the account you're proposing here. There couldn't have been "just a little banging" and at the same time constant thrashing. The evidence seems to suggest that he was on the floor of the van with his body hitting the sides when it turned, sped up or stopped. That's all it seems to suggest, not a thing about Mr. Gray trying or not trying to hurt himself. There is no decisive conclusion we can reach from the available evidence.
There you go making a complete fool of yourself again with a pathetic reply.The other man in the van said that he just heard a little banging and common sense tells us that there are a number of reasons he would have heard "just a little banging." It's quite pathetic, your conclusions are the product of convoluted thinking. So pathetic, not worth addressing further. You've made a complete fool out of yourself and I will spare you further shame.
This I can agree with.
Well it looks like the DA has taken your side of the argument, filing charges against all 6 officers. But I think that is going to be a stretch to convict. As I understand it the officers did not deliberately kill Gray but did not provide assistance. This trial will be one for the history books. I would also call the DA's filling of these charges a rush to judgement.
I didn't see or hear the news this morning. And just to be clear, I didn't have a side to promote, just that I believed there's a duty of care onus on the police when a prisoner is in custody. That said, I don't know what the charges are at this point, but if all six are charged I have a feeling that the prosecutor is simply trying to hive off one or more of the officers, giving them a deal, in an attempt to have them as prosecution witnesses against the officer or officers who may have harmed Gray or the one who caused Gray not to be properly secured. If it goes forward as six officers charged, I'll wager they all walk.
She has thrown the proverbial book:
All six charged with murder 2 and manslaughter.
6 Baltimore officers to face murder charges in Gray case
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