Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?[W:135]

[American]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

I certainly do not have a response to gibberish.

you should watch this as it reminds me of you post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5Mr5eCF2U

You can't answer a direct question. You fail.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

You can't answer a direct question. You fail.

I have been less direct with road kill that felt the wrath of my vehicle.

 

[American]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

I have been less direct with road kill that felt the wrath of my vehicle.

Speaking of gibberish.....^^^^^ this.

 

[Master PO]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

Why do you keep repeating the same nonsense? Your tactic reminds me of some religious zealot who has memorized some mantra of faith and no matter what is said to him all they can do is keep repeating that mantra over and over and over again.

The Preamble to the BOR is NOT part of the Constitution.
And if it were it changes NOTHING.

So why are you so stuck on it to the point of obsession that obscures and blinds you to all reality?

again this is not the question..

this is your deflection of the subject.

YOU..... have stated the preamble to the bill of rights has no purpose.

but a preamble in on the bill of rights, and a preamble does have a purpose as stated by the dictionary


preamble

pre·am·ble
ˈprēˌambəl/Submit
noun
a preliminary or preparatory statement; an introduction.
"what she said was by way of a preamble"
LAW
the introductory part of a statute or deed, stating its purpose, aims, and justification

https://www.google.com/search?client...ble+definition

 

[haymarket]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

Speaking of gibberish.....^^^^^ this.

Oh - you get the point all right. You just don't like the point as it was made at your own expense.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

YOU..... have stated the preamble to the bill of rights has no purpose.

You asked me my opinion about it. I gave it to you. I cannot be wrong about my opinion as its my opinion with strong foundation of truth and reality behind it.

For some reason you have not made clear in all your constant repetitions - this Preamble means a great great great deal to you and you are somewhat obsessed with it. So to you its some pillar of the faith and you look at me as an infidel who sees no such pillar.

 

[Master PO]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

EVERYONE.......Haymarket has said....... that the preamble to the bill of rights has no purpose.


HOWEVER: haymarket have given a "like" to Thoreau72 post of #186, in which Thoreau72 posted this:

Thank you for making that fine point.

Having now read the preamble in the original post here, it seems quite trivial, just a statement of purpose more than anything.

I learn something new every day.

Haymarket gives a "like" to the post for its statement of the preamble is a statement of purpose


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[haymarket]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

EVERYONE.......Haymarket has said....... that the preamble to the bill of rights has no purpose.


HOWEVER: haymarket have given a "like" to Thoreau72 post of #186, in which Thoreau72 posted this:




Haymarket gives a "like" to the post for its statement of the preamble is a statement of purpose


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And beyond that statement in that year to the states it was sent to it no longer serves any purpose for the last 200 years. It was not made part of the Constitution and did not change any of the Amendments. So beyond a mere message of introduction - it SERVES NO PURPOSE once transmitted then and ceases to have any purpose for the last two and one-quarts centuries.

What about that so befuddles and confuses you that you have to actually spend time looking at those I give a LIKE to and then engaging in all manner of mental gymnastics trying to twist it to something else.

Desperation would be a mild description of your efforts here.

You asked me my opinion about it. I gave it to you. I cannot be wrong about my opinion as its my opinion with strong foundation of truth and reality behind it.

For some reason you have not made clear in all your constant repetitions - this Preamble means a great great great deal to you and you are somewhat obsessed with it. So to you its some pillar of the faith and you look at me as an infidel who sees no such pillar.

 

[Master PO]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

And beyond that statement in that year to the states it was sent to it no longer serves any purpose for the last 200 years. It was not made part of the Constitution and did not change any of the Amendments. So beyond a mere message of introduction - it SERVES NO PURPOSE once transmitted then and ceases to have any purpose for the last two and one-quarts centuries.

What about that so befuddles and confuses you that you have to actually spend time looking at those I give a LIKE to and then engaging in all manner of mental gymnastics trying to twist it to something else.

Desperation would be a mild description of your efforts here.

You asked me my opinion about it. I gave it to you. I cannot be wrong about my opinion as its my opinion with strong foundation of truth and reality behind it.

For some reason you have not made clear in all your constant repetitions - this Preamble means a great great great deal to you and you are somewhat obsessed with it. So to you its some pillar of the faith and you look at me as an infidel who sees no such pillar.

:lamo YOU HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED Thoreau72 post for saying the preamble has a purpose, by giving the post a like" "to agree", then you say the preamble has no purpose....you cannot get yourself out of this lie!

 

[haymarket]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

:lamo YOU HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED Thoreau72 post for saying the preamble has a purpose, by giving the post a like" "to agree", then you say the preamble has no purpose....you cannot get yourself out of this lie!

And beyond that statement in that year to the states it was sent to it no longer serves any purpose for the last 200 years. It was not made part of the Constitution and did not change any of the Amendments. So beyond a mere message of introduction - it SERVES NO PURPOSE once transmitted then and ceases to have any purpose for the last two and one-quarts centuries.

What about that so befuddles and confuses you that you have to actually spend time looking at those I give a LIKE to and then engaging in all manner of mental gymnastics trying to twist it to something else. :doh:roll:

Desperation would be a mild description of your efforts here.

You asked me my opinion about it. I gave it to you. I cannot be wrong about my opinion as its my opinion with strong foundation of truth and reality behind it.

For some reason you have not made clear in all your constant repetitions - this Preamble means a great great great deal to you and you are somewhat obsessed with it. So to you its some pillar of the faith and you look at me as an infidel who sees no such pillar.

 

[Master PO]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

And beyond that statement in that year to the states it was sent to it no longer serves any purpose for the last 200 years. It was not made part of the Constitution and did not change any of the Amendments. So beyond a mere message of introduction - it SERVES NO PURPOSE once transmitted then and ceases to have any purpose for the last two and one-quarts centuries.

What about that so befuddles and confuses you that you have to actually spend time looking at those I give a LIKE to and then engaging in all manner of mental gymnastics trying to twist it to something else. :doh:roll:

Desperation would be a mild description of your efforts here.

You asked me my opinion about it. I gave it to you. I cannot be wrong about my opinion as its my opinion with strong foundation of truth and reality behind it.

For some reason you have not made clear in all your constant repetitions - this Preamble means a great great great deal to you and you are somewhat obsessed with it. So to you its some pillar of the faith and you look at me as an infidel who sees no such pillar.

you cannot escape your lie!...by posting large statements to muddy the waters of what you have said and done.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

you cannot escape your lie!...by posting large statements to muddy the waters of what you have said and done.

Oh my god!!! :doh:roll: Now you start one more time with the LIE bull crap. Get off it PO. Return to the sanity of real earth.... if you can.

Every time I get involved with you I slap myself across the face and remind myself that you are not an inhabitant of the same real world that i am 99% of the American people are and to stay the hell away from you and your delusional belief system. Thanks for reminding me yet again.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

you cannot escape your lie!...

You follow the same tactics and the same pattern over and over again. And the last straw that always breaks your back is when you resort to the LIE LIE LIE LIE nonsense because your previous efforts saw you come up empty handed in your impotence to get me to read the lines you wrote for me from your cue cards.

And this time was no different.

Everytime you start the LIE nonsense - and its so convoluted and involved that it never makes any sense nor is there ever a straight LIE that you can point to - its a sure sign your ship has sailed and you are about to go under the seas as the kraken wraps its many tentacles around your argument.

Stick a fork in you as you are beyond done.

 

[Removable Mind]

My 2 cents...

The Preamble of the Bill of Rights was important, especially at the time the Bill of Rights was passed. Actually it was a "big ****ing deal" because adding the Bill of Rights barely passed by only a handful of votes, according to the history books. Madison is basically given credit for it passing. Not because of any of the content that he contributed to the creation of the Bill of Rights, but because of his negotiation skills and his calm demeanor that acted as sort of a firewall between opposing parties during debates.

A lot of people of the time didn't want to wind up with a Constitution that only outlined the role of government. Despite that, there were a fair number of the Framers who were against passing it.

What makes the Preamble of the Bill of Rights important today, as in past times, is that it serves as sort of mission, core values, and vision statement all rolled up into the first paragraph in the Preamble. It reminds us of its intent by the Framers who supported adding it to the Constitution:

"THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution."

Thanks.

 

[haymarket]

My 2 cents...

The Preamble of the Bill of Rights was important, especially at the time the Bill of Rights was passed. Actually it was a "big ****ing deal" because adding the Bill of Rights barely passed by only a handful of votes, according to the history books. Madison is basically given credit for it passing. Not because of any of the content that he contributed to the creation of the Bill of Rights, but because of his negotiation skills and his calm demeanor that acted as sort of a firewall between opposing parties during debates.

A lot of people of the time didn't want to wind up with a Constitution that only outlined the role of government. Despite that, there were a fair number of the Framers who were against passing it.

What makes the Preamble of the Bill of Rights important today, as in past times, is that it serves as sort of mission, core values, and vision statement all rolled up into the first paragraph in the Preamble. It reminds us of its intent by the Framers who supported adding it to the Constitution:

"THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution."

Thanks.

And were it NOT ever there in the first place, would are rights as found in the Bill of Rights be any different?

 

[Removable Mind]

And were it NOT ever there in the first place, would are rights as found in the Bill of Rights be any different?

Possibly. Government may not have have felt obligated to do what is stated in the Preamble - and that is: "that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added:" Remember, the Bill of Rights didn't stop at 10 Amendments.

 

[haymarket]

Possibly. Government may not have have felt obligated to do what is stated in the Preamble - and that is: "that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added:" Remember, the Bill of Rights didn't stop at 10 Amendments.

Okay - so it could be taken as a sign to add on in the future if somebody needed that sign. But Article V already says you can do that.

And it does not change any of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights even if it were an official part of the Constitution.

 

[American]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

Oh - you get the point all right. You just don't like the point as it was made at your own expense.

The Constitution doesn't fit into your world view, because you don't agree with the founders. We agree with the founders, because well....they wrote it.

 

[Master PO]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

You follow the same tactics and the same pattern over and over again. And the last straw that always breaks your back is when you resort to the LIE LIE LIE LIE nonsense because your previous efforts saw you come up empty handed in your impotence to get me to read the lines you wrote for me from your cue cards.

And this time was no different.

Everytime you start the LIE nonsense - and its so convoluted and involved that it never makes any sense nor is there ever a straight LIE that you can point to - its a sure sign your ship has sailed and you are about to go under the seas as the kraken wraps its many tentacles around your argument.

Stick a fork in you as you are beyond done.

my friend, in the future i suggest you keep track of what you say and what you agree with by giving a "like" so next time you dont screw up

 

[Derp]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

The Bill of Rights were the 12 proposed amendments including the Preamble, in the Constitution you have the 10 amendments also called the BOR but without the Preamble.

Do I have that right or help me out here?

 

[Removable Mind]

Okay - so it could be taken as a sign to add on in the future if somebody needed that sign. But Article V already says you can do that.

And it does not change any of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights even if it were an official part of the Constitution.

Article 5 makes my case if you read my post more closely.

The Preamble reassures us of the potential necessity for government to continue to add more restrictions on its power. Article 5 states that goverment "can propose Amendments", but the Preamble is a an incentive and reminder to both the government and the people that over time more restrictions will more than likely be needed. The government isn't all that fond of restricting its own power.

In fact, my point is more evident, given the serious nature of the types of changes goverment had to make after the creation of the original 10 Amendments. The 13th Amendment is a good example. And the 14th was a golden addition. Neither of those Amendment were popular among many members of our Congress.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

The Constitution doesn't fit into your world view, because you don't agree with the founders. We agree with the founders, because well....they wrote it.

Your reply makes no sense as a response to the post from me you pretended to be replying to.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

my friend, in the future i suggest you keep track of what you say and what you agree with by giving a "like" so next time you dont screw up

The day you began keeping track of the LIKES I give out and then pretending you could read my mind as to why I awarded it is the day your ship sunk from view.

 

[haymarket]

Article 5 makes my case if you read my post more closely.

The Preamble reassures us of the potential necessity for government to continue to add more restrictions on its power. Article 5 states that goverment "can propose Amendments", but the Preamble is a an incentive and reminder to both the government and the people that over time more restrictions will more than likely be needed. The government isn't all that fond of restricting its own power.

In fact, my point is more evident, given the serious nature of the types of changes goverment had to make after the creation of the original 10 Amendments. The 13th Amendment is a good example. And the 14th was a golden addition. Neither of those Amendment were popular among many members of our Congress.

Article V is all that was ever needed and we know that because it has been well used over the last two centuries. Both Amendments had to be popular enough with most of Congress to garner the necessary number of votes to forward them to the states. Article V worked well in both of those cases also.

 

[Master PO]

Re: Preamble to Bil of Rights part of the Constitution?

The day you began keeping track of the LIKES I give out and then pretending you could read my mind as to why I awarded it is the day your ship sunk from view.

My friend you are not very observant, the reason i know you gave a like" is because i also gave it a like", and for you and i to be on the same page is rare