Power outages coming to NYC by 2025, and maybe upstate too, report says - Casualty of "Green" concerns (1 Viewer)

[JBG]

Power outages coming to NYC by 2025, and maybe upstate too, report says (excerpts below):

New York City could face power outages during the summer of 2025, when fossil fuel-fired plants that have been trusted workhorses during heat waves are forced to shut down to serve the state's green energy goals.
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“With the additional peakers unavailable, the bulk power transmission system will not be able to securely and reliably serve the forecasted demand in New York City,” the report says.
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The NYISO report says the peaker shutdowns are not the only factor that could spur outages. Increased demand from the electrification of vehicles and buildings is also placing strains on the grid.
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In the coming months, NYISO will identify solutions. Among them will be keeping some of the peaker plants operating, a decision likely to be challenged by environmental advocates. Several groups have been pushing the state to shut down peakers located in densely populated communities of color in the Bronx and Queens dubbed “Asthma Alley” for high rates of respiratory illness

What do we elect legislators for? I thought they were supposed to be protecting us from catastrophe. Instead, they are busy promoting a pipe dream that renewable power will suddenly materialize. Hopefully they can take some time out of their schedules to study this looming issue.

 

[Felis Leo]

Power outages coming to NYC by 2025, and maybe upstate too, report says (excerpts below):


What do we elect legislators for? I thought they were supposed to be protecting us from catastrophe. Instead, they are busy promoting a pipe dream that renewable power will suddenly materialize. Hopefully they can take some time out of their schedules to study this looming issue.

The idea that with the current technology solar power could ever reliably serve the oft-cloudy upper East Coast states would be laughable under normal circumstances were it not so costly both in terms of monetary cost and carbon debt for installation. Solar works across California-Arizona-New Mexico-Texas region because we have nearly unabated sunshine throughout most of the year. Wind might work, though I do not know how constant the wind patterns are across New York State. That leaves building modern nuclear power facilities, which should be done without delay.

 

[multivita-man]

The idea that with the current technology solar power could ever reliably serve the cloudy upper East Coast states would be laughable under normal circumstances. Solar works across California-Arizona-New Mexico-Texas region because we have nearly unabated sunshine throughout most of the year. Wind might work, though I do not know how constant the wind patterns are across New York State. That leaves building modern nuclear power facilities, which should be done without delay.

Green energy is certainly welcome as part of the energy portfolio, as Texas has shown in recent years, their 2021 winter emergency notwithstanding. However, it's a serious question as to whether there's anywhere close to enough green capacity to replace fossil fuel to meet energy budgets. I'm skeptical of that.

I guess it depends on the goal: if the goal is to reduce energy consumption and multiply the positive environmental impact, then I guess this would work. If, however, the objective is to continue to maintain current energy demand, then this plan probably needs a rethink.

 

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It is good that the report details warnings. It also recommends solutions. I seriously doubt NYC legislators would allow the dismantling the plants until renewables are completed.

The pandemic set them back.

Not sure about Upstate because they are not driven by fossil fuel plants and are pretty much on target for renewables as is Long Island NY.
Many of these private home residents have solar panels which have helped tremendously

NYISO Study Finds "Reliability Need" in 2025 for New York City Region​

July 14, 2023

"This new STAR report reflects the extraordinary challenges of the grid in transition," said Zach Smith, NYISO's Vice President of System and Resource Planning. "The reliability of the electric system is essential to the health and safety for all New Yorkers as well as the state's economy. The NYISO will now work to identify solutions to the reliability need identified in New York City."

Per the NYISO's tariff, overseen by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, the finding of a reliability need initiates a process administered by the NYISO to bring reliability margins back to acceptable operating levels. The NYISO will begin the process immediately by working with the local utility and the marketplace to identify and evaluate possible solutions.

Beyond 2025, the STAR report found that New York City's reliability margin would improve when the Champlain Hudson Power Express (CHPE) transmission line from Quebec to New York City is completed. CHPE is expected to enter service in the spring of 2026. The STAR report found that delays in CHPE's schedule could result in additional transmission security concerns. The NYISO will continue to monitor closely the development of CHPE.

NYISO Study Finds

The New York Independent System Operator (NYISO) today released its quarterly assessment of reliability of the bulk electric system, which found a deficit in reliability margins for the New York City area beginning in summer 2025. The deficit is a...

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Upstate NY

Electricity​

Natural gas, nuclear energy, and hydropower consistently generate more than 90% of New York’s electricity.

Natural gas, nuclear power, and hydroelectricity together have provided more than nine-tenths of New York State's utility-scale (1 megawatt and larger) electricity net generation since 2012.

Non-hydroelectric renewable resources, such as wind, biomass, and solar, provide most of the rest.22

U.S. Energy Information Administration - EIA - Independent Statistics and Analysis

www.eia.gov

 

[EdwinWillers]

Green energy is certainly welcome as part of the energy portfolio, as Texas has shown in recent years, their 2021 winter emergency notwithstanding. However, it's a serious question as to whether there's anywhere close to enough green capacity to replace fossil fuel to meet energy budgets. I'm skeptical of that.

I guess it depends on the goal: if the goal is to reduce energy consumption and multiply the positive environmental impact, then I guess this would work. If, however, the objective is to continue to maintain current energy demand, then this plan probably needs a rethink.

Agreed.

Green energy is fine; I've no real issues with it - save its promotion as the be-all, end-all solution to either climate issues or energy issues - which it isn't; and the environmental issues associated with disposal alone of outdated green energy (solar panels, wind turbines/blades, batteries, etc.) are just around the corner, and perhaps disastrously so.

For the time being at least, we need both, fossil-fuel and green solutions.

Personally, I think we need to put our scientific (and political) efforts towards nuclear solutions, and ultimately to solving the problems with fusion. Nuclear can be done safely, if built and operated properly.

 

[multivita-man]

Agreed.

Green energy is fine; I've no real issues with it - save its promotion as the be-all, end-all solution to either climate issues or energy issues - which it isn't; and the environmental issues associated with disposal alone of outdated green energy (solar panels, wind turbines/blades, batteries, etc.) are just around the corner, and perhaps disastrously so.

Green energy can be a good thing, but the way we promote it is like a fad diet that leads people to believe they can continue living unhealthy lifestyles.

For the time being at least, we need both, fossil-fuel and green solutions.

As long as we live in the Holocene world. In the Anthropocene world, it doesn't make sense. Very little we're doing now does.

Personally, I think we need to put our scientific (and political) efforts towards nuclear solutions, and ultimately to solving the problems with fusion. Nuclear can be done safely, if built and operated properly.

We need to figure a way to get below our carrying capacity as ethically as possible, without large scale violence.