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Post Conception Opt-Out? Good Idea or Bad?

Should women be allowed to hold men hostage to their choice or should a man be able to legally opt o

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vegas giants said:
Then you support a woman making a horrible selfish decision to bring a child into the world without a father that will live in poverty.....when she could just wait.


Its selfish and bad for kids
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No child doesn't have a father, you don't have to be a biologist to know this.
Many people don't put off having children until they can afford to. If one has a child, you do what you can to give it a good life. To quote the Beatles, "Love is all you need".
 
jpevans said:
No child doesn't have a father, you don't have to be a biologist to know this.
Many people don't put off having children until they can afford to. If one has a child, you do what you can to give it a good life. To quote the Beatles, "Love is all you need".
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That is a horrible philosophy for raising children.


My god
 
vegas giants said:
A man may have feelings for the child and she gets to kill it. I support that and tell him he needs to get over it.

A woman needs to do what is best for the child and get over it too.


She can have a child when the time is right
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That is a choice he knew in advance is hers alone to make, and can ONLY be avoided preconception, giving him total control if he really wants it.
PRE he has total control.
POST she has total control
That's equality.
 
Individual said:
That is a choice he knew in advance is hers alone to make, and can ONLY be avoided preconception, giving him total control if he really wants it.
PRE he has total control.
POST she has total control
That's equality.
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Yeah that can change.


You do know she has total control PRE too.....dont you? Lol


Equality? Not even close
 
vegas giants said:
Yeah that can change.


You do know she has total control PRE too.....dont you? Lol


Equality? Not even close
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See how far you get making that change.

I was speaking about the man who doesn't want to share responsibility for a child.

It's as close as it's likely to get.

I'll be curious to see how your House rep responds to you.
 
Individual said:
See how far you get making that change.

I was speaking about the man who doesn't want to share responsibility for a child.

It's as close as it's likely to get.

I'll be curious to see how your House rep responds to you.
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And we are talking about what is best for children.


My position is what is best for children



Yours is not
 
Bodhisattva said:
For 40-50 years men have been getting screwed over in Family Courts and getting stuck for women's decisions. This is just a basic fact.
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Then you ought to be able to source it quite easily. Do you believe affirmative action promotes systemic racism?

The idea that men are the victims here is ridiculous.
 
Lursa said:
Why does it matter the age of the kids waiting to be adopted?
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Because we are talking about how easy it is for newborns to be adopted and so not be a burden on the state, and when it comes to adoption newborns are in very high demand so it isn't an issue.

Lursa said:
If there were no newborns being added to that giant pool, then prospective parents would consider the older kids. Every new baby added reduces the other kid's chances...that's just cruel and unnecessary.
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Please back that up. Many couples that would be happy to adopt a newborn or young child won't consider older children--after eight, the adoption rate decreases significantly; for teenagers, it drops even more.
 
vegas giants said:
My

Logic


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Sound



You have abandoned the debate
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There's not much to debate, we can only dispense our individual opinions, which I don't believe are going to change no matter how long we continue.
It's not a good poll IMO, and the results are meaningless as other doesn't equate to Good or Bad idea without reading posts by each person who selected it.
It does appear to lean toward Bad idea though.
And I'm not expecting the law to change in the near or even distant future.
 
Individual said:
There's not much to debate, we can only dispense our individual opinions, which I don't believe are going to change no matter how long we continue.
It's not a good poll IMO, and the results are meaningless as other doesn't equate to Good or Bad idea without reading posts by each person who selected it.
It does appear to lean toward Bad idea though.
And I'm not expecting the law to change in the near or even distant future.
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Opinion noted and dismissed


You have nothing to add to the debate
 
roguenuke said:
I support her making the decision about pregnancy that she thinks is best. I don't support her being shamed or bullied into anything that is based on selfish wants of a man who should have known better.
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Maybe he should find out before he decides to sleep with her?

There are many women who just dont believe in abortion. And are protected by the First Amendment. They use birth control, it fails...they are willing to accept having a kid. That's not irresponsible. That's accepting a consequence. As is a painful, costly abortion. Or miscarriage, or death…all possible consequences but there's no escape…she'll be suffering at least one if not more.​
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So why is it so unfair for men to do the same? They knowingly accept the risk and know they cant tell her what to do. If they sleep with her anyway, then they also should accept that consequence. It's equal. It's not equal outcomes but they knew that going in too.​
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If men dont act in their own best interests and avoid that risk, that's their choice...that is irresponsible. And stupid IMO.​
 
vegas giants said:
Opinion noted and dismissed


You have nothing to add to the debate
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No one has, everything is just a repeat of what was said early in the thread, so unless you can convince enough members of Congress to make the changes a few here appear to want, maybe more men should give vasectomies some thought.
 
Doug64 said:
Because we are talking about how easy it is for newborns to be adopted and so not be a burden on the state, and when it comes to adoption newborns are in very high demand so it isn't an issue.



Please back that up. Many couples that would be happy to adopt a newborn or young child won't consider older children--after eight, the adoption rate decreases significantly; for teenagers, it drops even more.
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Yes I know. And that's still the reason adoption isnt a solution. Not every newborn is perfect. Esp. since many are born to women that dont stop drinking or doing drugs during pregnancy. And of course, if people have fewer choices, some will consider older kids.

There are ~100,000 kids waiting to be adopted in the US...and you want to encourage pregnant women to add MORE kids to that giant pool. IMO that's inhumane, immoral.

"Waiting for a family is the longest wait of all."

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