Post Conception Opt-Out? Good Idea or Bad?

[vegas giants]

A lit of people think women are too stupid to understand a contract

 

[BirdinHand]

A lit of people think women are too stupid to understand a contract

It isn't about not understanding a contract.

Your "contract" is repugnant.

Any man that would write up a contract saying "Hey, I'm just here for the unprotected orgasm, if a kid comes from it...I'm not going to be a father or provide any financial support" "Sign here if you agree"?

Doesn't deserve to be called a man and is not reflective of all the GOOD men that exist in this world.

 

[Doug64]

Yes there is. The good reason is that the child has needs which trump the man's desire to be "liberated" from his child.

This. No, the law doesn’t need to be changed to allow men to evade their responsibilities, it needs to be changed to require women to accept theirs. At a minimum, men need to be required to financially support the mothers of their children during pregnancy, and women need to at least not abuse their babies during the pregnancy so their babies are born healthy. If once the baby is born neither parent wants to raise the child, put it up for adoption—I wouldn’t want them raising the child anyway.

 

[Lovebug]

I said other, simply because I need to hear the pluses and minuses of each decision before I'd have a decent opinion.
Very interesting questions though. I would tend to go with what the woman says but still..????

Really? It is the most absurd proposal I have heard in a long time.

 

[vegas giants]

It isn't about not understanding a contract.

Your "contract" is repugnant.

Any man that would write up a contract saying "Hey, I'm just here for the unprotected orgasm, if a kid comes from it...I'm not going to be a father or provide any financial support" "Sign here if you agree"?

Doesn't deserve to be called a man and is not reflective of all the GOOD men that exist in this world.

Then dont sign it


Lots of women are here just for the free meals, the expensive vacations and the fancy lifestyle the man brings


Dont tell me all women are saints

 

[jpevans]

In other words, sleeping around, getting a woman pregnant, and then when you find out she's pregnant, wanting to run from the responsibility if there's a child. A story as old as time.

All your little numbered, outlined steps in the OP cant gloss that over.

What you want is to get rid of child support laws. That's exactly what it amounts to. Why would states, society do that? The NEED is still there...and BOTH parents are held equally responsible, one way or another.

Get rid of Roe v Wade & parental obligation. Sounds like Chauvinist Christmas.

 

[BirdinHand]

Then dont sign it


Lots if women are hete just for the free meals, the expensive vacations and the fancy lifestyle the man brings


Dont tell me all women are saints

The contract is repugnant. As is stereotyping women as just looking for free meals and fancy lifestyles.

 

[Lovebug]

Then dont sign it


Lots of women are here just for the free meals, the expensive vacations and the fancy lifestyle the man brings


Dont tell me all women are saints

I hope that is sarcasm.

 

[vegas giants]

People here are terrified of giving adults this CHOICE

 

[BirdinHand]

People here are terrified of giving adults this CHOICE

No, people are calling out certain “men” for a disgusting mindset.

 

[vegas giants]

The contract is repugnant. As is stereotyping women as just looking for free meals and fancy lifestyles.

Then

Dont

Sign


It


You want to stereotype guys that just want sex and tell me there are no women that just want expensive stuff????


HAHAHAHAHA

 

[Lovebug]

People here are terrified of giving adults this CHOICE

Choice
Adult enough to consider the consequence of one's action
vs
keeping it zipped.

 

[vegas giants]

No, people are calling out men for a disgusting mindset.

Like women who just want a free ride? Lol

 

[vegas giants]

Choice
Adult enough to consider the consequence of one's action
vs
keeping it zipped.

Yeah ladies....keep it zipped if you want to avoid abortion......oh ......wait......lol

 

[Lovebug]

Yeah ladies....keep it zipped if you want to avoid abortion......oh ......wait......lol

At this time adults know that this conversation is mere nonsense started by someone who has no respect for women. Time to move on to more productive endeavors.

 

[jpevans]

No the child's interest does not factor into it. That is a carnard. If it was more than that a woman's legal right to abort would be greatly restricted.

Well at least you say the quite part out loud. As an anti choice person, you are advocating to throw the child entirely on the woman who chose not to have an abortion. Typical whack logic.

 

[vegas giants]

At this time adults know that this conversation is mere nonsense started by someone who has no respect for women. Time to move on to more productive endeavors.

I accept your concession. C ya

 

[jpevans]

Welp 800+ posts in and nothing changed for me because the facts still remain the same and facts are all that matter

My specific stance is I would like to see equal rights for this issue since its currently factually not equal regarding the OP topic of legal rights and opt out options.
Both parties should have post-birth opt-out options

do I think it will happen in my lifetime? nope
will i be taking to the street for this cause? nope lol

but that will always be my stance as long as its factually unequal because Ill always side with equal rights regardless of my own or anybody else's personal feelings and opinions.

Just dump the little bastards on the state?

 

[vegas giants]

The very idea of choice here is terrifying for some people

 

[vegas giants]

Just dump the little bastards on the state?

Here's a crazy idea. Maybe women should not have children they cant afford

 

[Doug64]

The very idea of choice here is terrifying for some people

As with any question involving choice, it needs to be clarified—the choice to do what, exactly?

 

[AGENT J]

Just dump the little bastards on the state?

thats what happens already with adoption and safe havens etc
I most certainly am not against adoptions, safe havens and the foster care system nor want that stuff to go away.
I cant have it both ways . . . .I simply want equal rights for both parties

but lets be clear if you would like to know if I think the whole foster system is crap, needs to be reworked and more money to go into it, the answer is yes
same with adoption assistance and a rework of social safety nets for healthcare, education and job placement for expecting parent(s)/families

but thats a different topic. America is not as good at taking care of its young and old like some other countries

 

[BirdinHand]

It is fun to watch some guys want to effectively turn any woman they might meet into an unpaid prostitute/escort.

They don’t want to pay an actual prostitute/escort - they just want the average Jane on the street to be their unpaid one.

 

[vegas giants]

As with any question involving choice, it needs to be clarified—the choice to do what, exactly?

Read the op

 

[vegas giants]

It is fun to watch some guys want to effectively turn any woman they might meet into an unpaid prostitute/escort.

They don’t want to pay an actual prostitute/escort - they just want the average Jane on the street to be their unpaid one.

Unpaid prostitute is a oxymoron. Lol